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Thousands of soldiers will learn today whether they have lost their jobs in the latest round of Army redundancies.

A fresh tranche of up to 5,300 Army personnel are to be handed redundancy notices as the Government tries to reduce the number of regulars to 82,000 by 2018.

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said the move was necessary to help balance the books but insisted operational capability would not be affected.

More folk with mental trauma stuck in hostels...

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Taliban are apparently legit enough to be opening a regional office in Qatar....

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Taliban 'set to open office in Qatar'

Sources tell Al Jazeera that Afghan armed group will open political office in Doha on Tuesday.

Taliban will open a political office in the Gulf state of Qatar on Tuesday, Al Jazeera has learned.

The office of the Afghan armed group in Doha will aim at facilitating peace talks.

In March, Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, met the emir of Qatar to discuss plans for the Taliban to open an office in the Gulf state.

He discussed "issues of mutual interest" with Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, the state news agency QNA said, without elaborating on the substance of their talks.

Karzai also met Afghan and Arab officials and business people.

The delegation travelling with the Afghan president included Zalmai Rassoul, the foreign minister; Salahuddin Rabbani, the head of the High Peace Council.

Until earlier this year, Karzai was strongly opposed to the Taliban having a meeting venue outside Afghanistan, but the US has pushed for the Taliban to be present at the negotiatiing table as Washington prepares to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan in the next two years.

How does that bode for all the moms and dads whose sons have been picked off and blown up in Afghanistan?

What a completely fvcked up world....

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How does that bode for all the moms and dads whose sons have been picked off and blown up in Afghanistan?

What a completely fvcked up world....

Can you say RYA in an Irish accent?

Still don't really see why you need a conventional army for national defence. As an island nation, the nuclear deterrent more than covers our needs.

Perhaps you should watch more telly:

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To be honest, I would say the best thing about the financial crisis is the making of us militarily impotent.

We're pretty much all bluster now. What I would dearly like to see is for our aircraft carriers that allow us to wage war across the globe (aka 'project power') to be cancelled.

Then we should make a rule we should only enter a war if Ireland or Switzerland do. IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.

Sorry for the soldiers who have lost their jobs/been stabbed in the back after putting their lives on the line for the feckless politicos waving their wangers.

Sadly, the army chiefs did nothing to discourage the politicians from their headlong rush to war. Instead, they were only to happy to commit themselves to the doomed military involvements in southern Iraq and Afghanistan because they saw it as a way of securing scarce resources for their branch of the armed services. Now that these adventures have been seen to be costly political and economic liabilities (at least £40 billion sunk in Afghanistan alone) they can not really complain that they are getting the shaft from the government even if ministers are just as culpable for the failure. Moreover, the cuts are pretty easy for the Treasury to justify given that the military performance in Basra and Helmand was less than stellar.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/investment-in-blood-new-book-claims-that-afghan-war-has-cost-uk-families-2000-each-8638629.html

http://www.newstatesman.com/books/2011/08/afghanistan-iraq-british

If Britain is going to invest in the military then it would probably be best to stick to the pattern that served the country well for over 400 years which would mean making the navy the senior service and keeping the standing army small. That would at least keep us out of any of the hopeless COIN and other wars for 'democracy' of the sort beloved by Blair.

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And the US is going to negotiate with the Taliban anyway - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22957819

So in the end it was all pretty pointless.

I recall Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary saying in front of the press, over 10 years ago, that in the future people if asked about the Taliban they would respond Tali who?.That was Rumsfeld's confidence that the Taliban would be eradicated by the might of the US military in short order.

Edited by Take Me Back To London!

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To be honest, I would say the best thing about the financial crisis is the making of us militarily impotent.

We're pretty much all bluster now. What I would dearly like to see is for our aircraft carriers that allow us to wage war across the globe (aka 'project power') to be cancelled.

Then we should make a rule we should only enter a war if Ireland or Switzerland do. IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.

Sorry for the soldiers who have lost their jobs/been stabbed in the back after putting their lives on the line for the feckless politicos waving their wangers.

This country does like to fetishise the armed forces. I doubt Dean in Rhyl and Wayne in Burnley left school with a burning ambition to sort out women's rights in Afghanistan. They, like most of their superiors, fall back on the just following orders argument. Fact is they went and occupied a country, that it's never been satisfactorily explained exactly what quarrel we're supposed to have with them, as it was the best option for them financially living in areas of high unemployment with limited qualifications.

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If Britain is going to invest in the military then it would probably be best to stick to the pattern that served the country well for over 400 years which would mean making the navy the senior service and keeping the standing army small. That would at least keep us out of any of the hopeless COIN and other wars for 'democracy' of the sort beloved by Blair.

Disagree about the Navy.

The Navy had its moment in the sun when the enemy was just over the channel - France, Spain, etc.

These days - Nope. The action is too far away and too much can go wrong on the way there.

Combine that with a large metal ship having to face 30 year missle technology and you have a very expensive. limited bit of kit.

Witness the size of air craft carrier conveys by the US. More and more ships, travelling less and less.

Give it a few years and air craft carriers will just trundle round San Franciso bay.

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The simple fact is we cant fight a war, they rarly come when you want them and you have sod all choice, in Norway in 1940 they had a pacifist state, as much use as a chocolate fireguard agaist Hitler

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Disagree about the Navy.

The Navy had its moment in the sun when the enemy was just over the channel - France, Spain, etc.

These days - Nope. The action is too far away and too much can go wrong on the way there.

Combine that with a large metal ship having to face 30 year missle technology and you have a very expensive. limited bit of kit.

Witness the size of air craft carrier conveys by the US. More and more ships, travelling less and less.

Give it a few years and air craft carriers will just trundle round San Franciso bay.

The 'limitations' of the kit are part of the attraction particularly if Britain were to ditch the planned aircraft carriers.

Setting boundaries and living within them is a lesson that Britain needs to learn rather than getting involved in 'action is too far away'.

Therefore restricting politicians options for vanity wars, invasions and long term COIN operations should be one aim of military planning.

A surface fleet of smaller ships and a potent submarine force backed by appropriate air force which concentrates on the Atlantic is probably the type of military for which Britain should be aiming with maybe a side role in fighting piracy globally.

Even if the whole lot got sunk it would probably still work out cheaper than the recent land wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which were running at something like £6 billion a year for nearly a decade.

And at the end of the day Britain is an island surrounded by the sea....

Edited by stormymonday_2011

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A strong navy is still THE requirement for a strong sovereign nation.

Why? Any kunt can build a boat, some can build ships. Planes are a completely different matter.

You control nothing without a navy, even with a fancy air force and surveillance. Interdictions are impossible without a floating force.

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Combine that with a large metal ship having to face 30 year missle technology and you have a very expensive. limited bit of kit.

Witness the size of air craft carrier conveys by the US. More and more ships, travelling less and less.

Give it a few years and air craft carriers will just trundle round San Franciso bay.

Yes instead of a small number of huge super-carriers, when you need is a large fleet of smaller pocket-carriers, that don't show up on radar as much, and can enter a wide rage of the worlds ports.

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Still don't really see why you need a conventional army for national defence. As an island nation, the nuclear deterrent more than covers our needs.

It's not like they could really nuke Argentina in 1982, despite Argentina being a fascist junta that had invaded a peaceful, indeed defenceless, neighbour which was under our protection.

Nukes are there to deter total war but not all wars are going to be total.

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No need for them to worry.

Those UKIP idiots will soon be in power and increasing defence spending by 40%.

You're more fun when you're toying with Grant Shapps. :lol:

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No need for them to worry.

Those UKIP idiots will soon be in power and increasing defence spending by 40%.

Indeed. A political party elected by the virtues or vices of one candidate... fascist Farage.

He's a dangerous little man surrounding himself with bigots, homophobes, and outright nationalists.

Read your history books.

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Read your history books.

I've read mountains of stuff on fascism as it's one of my nerdy fascinations, Farage is pretty far from a fascist.

Actually I think New Labour is fairly close to Italian fascism - at least a toned down version thereof. The language (Third Way, modernism) was similar, the philosophy (state mediation between unions and big business) not too different. The political background - lefties who had decided that conventional socialism was a dead end - is surprisingly similar. Civil liberties seemed to be treated with vague bemusement, and curtailed in the name of the greater good. There were even wars of ideology abroad.

Nigel Farage seems to be more of a Peelite or a Radical to me than a fascist. Of course, the 'f' word these days is merely an epithet to describe someone you disagree with.

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I've read mountains of stuff on fascism as it's one of my nerdy fascinations, Farage is pretty far from a fascist.

Actually I think New Labour is fairly close to Italian fascism - at least a toned down version thereof. The language (Third Way, modernism) was similar, the philosophy (state mediation between unions and big business) not too different. The political background - lefties who had decided that conventional socialism was a dead end - is surprisingly similar. There were even wars of ideology abroad.

Nigel Farage seems to be more of a Peelite to me than a fascist. Of course, the 'f' word these days is merely an epithet to describe someone you disagree with.

Perhaps. Nationalism, shutting down unions, revoking rights, building up military, closing ties to the outside world...call it what you want.

However, I very much doubt he will ever get elected to anything more prestigious than say...the post currently occupied by an equally egregious twit, Mr Galloway.

Mr Farage is a good lobbyist, I'll give him that, however, there is no place in contemporary British politics for him outside of grandstanding in op-ed's, panel shows and the like.

Farage also never spent time in a University with other posh kids, so he's very isolated.

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However, I very much doubt he will ever get elected to anything more prestigious than say...the post currently occupied by an equally egregious twit, Mr Galloway.

True enough.

Well, I suppose he's already managed more than Galloway in that he's been head MEP of a major British grouping for some time. But I can't see him going beyond that.

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