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...estimate that their projected income will meet less than 85 per cent of their spending commitments ...

That doesn't seem to be a problem for Westminster government budgets!

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Do street lights cost billions to run?

no, but index linked council pensions do, as do Pay Scales and the upkeep of plush offices, 200K execs and their empires, and company Luxury cars by the fleet.

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'The system of care for elderly and disabled people is facing financial collapse unless billions of pounds are handed, council chiefs have warned George Osborne

That's a new one. Normally they claim it's care for children that's facing financial collapse.

By all accounts most everything else useful is being sold off or closed down by some councils such as libraries and swimming pools and suchlike etc.

It's clear that they aren't going to countenance council chiefs wages and pensions facing financial collapse.

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The street lights round our way have already been turned off.

Street lights arrived where we lived sometime in my 'teens. A sad event: one more nail in nature's coffin. Betjemen somehow missed it when he wrote words like

Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans,

Tinned minds, tinned breath.

[edit] No he didn't! Those words were written in 1937, before the abomination of streetlights affected most people!

Edited by porca misèria

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Maybe there is an alternative use for the street lamps.

How about banners of our illustrious leaders...to remind us how lucky we are to be lead by them.

Or maybe use them for advertising government schemes to help people buy a house.

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“Fixing the financial crisis engulfing adult social care has to be a priority, not doing so could see councils start to fail their communities.”'

Can't have councils start to fail their communities :lol:

They should think innovative like extending parking fee zones to every nook and cranny and increasing parking fees and extending chargeable parking times. Close and lock up car parks early so there's no free car parking times and paint yellow lines everywhere else so there's nowhere else to park. Anywhere that could be used for car parking but hasn't got permission for parking then fence it off so cars can't park there.

Oh they've already done all that.

Edited by billybong

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“It is only by implementing effective integration across the country that we can expect to drive out further large scale genuine efficiencies from the health and care system.”

Most would would understand that to "drive out" INefficiences would be of some benefit rather than to drive out efficiencies but maybe Sir Merrick just has that council chief mindset.

“The current system promotes an inefficient use of taxpayers’ money but more worryingly it also reduces the quality of care people receive.

The firmly set mindset demonstrated again. Likely if they worried a bit more about the efficient use of taxpayers money there would be money left over for the quality of care people receive.

Edited by billybong

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But they warn that, while they have been able to save most of that money through so-called “efficiencies” – such as squeezing the amount they pay to care homes and other contractors – they are running out of ways to cut costs.

They still find money for unnecessary road works and suchlike whilst the winter potholes remain.

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Maybe there is an alternative use for the street lamps.

How about banners of our illustrious leaders...to remind us how lucky we are to be lead by them.

Or maybe use them for advertising government schemes to help people buy a house.

I think I'd prefer to decorate them with our illustrious leaders.

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The tough decisions are coming. I think I might start learning german.

No need once the Google Universal translator comes on the market. :rolleyes:

Wish they would turn off the damn street lights near me. I've had to buy thicker curtains and blinds. They light a street with no traffic at night.

Indeed I'm sure street lights used to go out at night.

Edited by Secure Tenant

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Do street lights cost billions to run?

Washington Monument Syndrome

The Washington Monument syndrome, also known as the Mount Rushmore Syndrome, or the firemen first principle, is a political tactic used in the United States by government agencies when faced with budget cuts. The tactic entails cutting the most visible or appreciated service provided by the government, from popular services such as national parks and libraries to valued public employees such as teachers and firefighters. This is done to gain support for tax increases that the public would otherwise be against. The name derives from the National Park Service's alleged habit of saying that any cuts would lead to an immediate closure of the wildly popular Washington Monument. Critics compare the tactic to hostage taking or blackmail.

Although the strategy usually intends to highlight the government's value to voters, it can also be aimed at lawmakers themselves. Faced with budget cuts in the 1970s, Amtrak announced plans to cease train routes in the home districts of several members of Congress.

The term was first used after George Hartzog, the seventh director of the National Park Service, closed popular national parks such as the Washington Monument and Grand Canyon National Park for two days a week in 1969. In response to complaints, Congress fired Hartzog and restored the funding

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Lancashire has spent about £9 million on 20mph speed limits -whilst turning off the lights on the motorways. It has increased day-care charges for better off pensioners (i.e. those who have worked and saved) -"making work pay". And these are the Tories !

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Well, they might have to cut council pensions or salaries otherwise - and that WOULD be a tragedy...

I remind you all YET AGAIN that public sector pension are in the majority of cases not a "gift" to the wealthy but deferred pay for workers who often have provided 40 years of public service.

They agreed to work for lower wages in exchange for a good pension, rather than demanding higher wages so they could make their own pension provisions. In almost all cases pension contributions were deducted from their wages as well.

Without these "deferred waqes" the boomers would have had income tax level probably at least a third higher in order to fund the services they received.

And ultimately, these retired folk, no matter how unfair you think their pensions are, need roofs over their heads, cloths on their back and food in their belly. Unless of course you propose to euthanise them. The pensions they will get have been quietly inflated away though fiddled RPI/CPI calculation and what little they are reluctantly given will in most cases NOT allow them to retire in luxury.

Edited by RufflesTheGuineaPig

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Sounds like complete BS to me.

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Something else is going on. Either they are losing capacity to produce and pulling a smokescreen, or, they are selling on active power further afield.

This is definitely not about saving saving money for auld granny....

Edited by cashinmattress

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I remind you all YET AGAIN that public sector pension are in the majority of cases not a "gift" to the wealthy but deferred pay for workers who often have provided 40 years of public service.

They agreed to work for lower wages in exchange for a good pension, rather than demanding higher wages so they could make their own pension provisions.

Without these "deferred waqes" the boomers would have had income tax level probably at least a third higher in order to fund the services they received.

And ultimately, these retired folk, no matter how unfair you think their pensions are, need roofs over their heads, cloths on their back and food in their belly. Unless of course you propose to euthanise them. The pensions they will get have been quietly inflated away though fiddled RPI/CPI calculation and what little they are reluctantly given will in most cases NOT allow them to retire in luxury.

100% crap.

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I remind you all YET AGAIN that public sector pension are in the majority of cases not a "gift" to the wealthy but deferred pay for workers who often have provided 40 years of public service.

They agreed to work for lower wages in exchange for a good pension, rather than demanding higher wages so they could make their own pension provisions.

Maybe, just maybe there was a case for that 20 years ago.

These days public sector pay is significantly higher than the private sector.

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