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http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/health/local-health/10-a-day-for-hospital-tv-but-just-1-a-week-in-jail-1-5766691

Hospital patients in Sheffield are being charged up to £10 a day to watch television – while inmates in Doncaster Prison pay just £1 a week.

Poorly people undergoing treatment at the Northern General, Hallamshire and Jessop Wing hospitals in Sheffield are charged £10 for a 24-hour ‘bundle’ of films, television channels, radio, internet and free outgoing telephone calls.

A cheaper £7.50 deal is available for 18 hours of viewing, while the cheapest package available costs £2.50 for two hours of television.

But at Doncaster Prison, and at jails around the country, prisoners are charged just £1 for an entire week’s worth of television, the Ministry of Justice confirmed. Although Sheffield Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust does not make any money from the system, patients today described the situation as ‘outrageous’.

Although it does depend on what wards you are on, some are free. The kidney wards from memory have free TV, but then again those patients are frequently in hospital.

However should prisoners be getting cheaper TV than hospital patients?

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The question should be why are prisoners getting any tv.

Unfortunately I am an acquaintance of several habitual prison dwellers, they treat it as if its some sort of holiday.

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I found, since my accident, that I have been weaned off the telly altogether...I have had plenty of real quality entertainment off the BBC radio service..mostly R4 Extra.

and some of the plays were truly terrifying under my tramadol haze.

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http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/health/local-health/10-a-day-for-hospital-tv-but-just-1-a-week-in-jail-1-5766691

Although it does depend on what wards you are on, some are free. The kidney wards from memory have free TV, but then again those patients are frequently in hospital.

However should prisoners be getting cheaper TV than hospital patients?

This, and the scandal of Bounty reps doorstepping new mothers in maternity wards shows that even in hospital you're being sized up as if you walked into a tacky mobile phone shop. I visited someone in hospital a few months ago and the tellies didn;t even switch off, the ward staff were facing them to the wall or draping a curtain round them, although they still leaked light of course.

Being in hospital is the last place you want to be if you're ill, not that it can be avoided all the time, but this sort of crap is taking the piss imo:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2339966/Mothers-badgered-baby-firms-sales-reps-hospital-Eight-consider-practice-selling-bedside-unacceptable.html

Mumsnet link, read it and weep:

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_campaigns/a1641617-just-had-a-run-in-with-the-maternity-ward-bounty-photographer

Hospitals making £5.50 per baby born through cash-for-access deals

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10046529/Hospitals-making-5.50-per-baby-born-through-cash-for-access-deals.html

NHS cash-for-access: salespeople 'posing as medical staff' to obtain pictures

Unqualified maternity ward photographers have been posing as medical staff and claiming pictures need to be taken for "security reasons" to obtain images and personal details, mothers have said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10047737/NHS-cash-for-access-salespeople-posing-as-medical-staff-to-obtain-pictures.html

NHS cash-for-access: does your hospital have a deal with Bounty?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10046783/NHS-cash-for-access-does-your-hospital-have-a-deal-with-Bounty.html

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This, and the scandal of Bounty reps doorstepping new mothers in maternity wards shows that even in hospital you're being sized up as if you walked into a tacky mobile phone shop. I visited someone in hospital a few months ago and the tellies didn;t even switch off, the ward staff were facing them to the wall or draping a curtain round them, although they still leaked light of course.

Being in hospital is the last place you want to be if you're ill, not that it can be avoided all the time, but this sort of crap is taking the piss imo:

http://www.dailymail...acceptable.html

Mumsnet link, read it and weep:

http://www.mumsnet.c...ty-photographer

http://www.telegraph...cess-deals.html

http://www.telegraph...n-pictures.html

http://www.telegraph...ith-Bounty.html

cant see the problem with Bounty...mother gets a party bag, hospital gets a bung. win win.

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Although it does depend on what wards you are on, some are free. The kidney wards from memory have free TV, but then again those patients are frequently in hospital.

However should prisoners be getting cheaper TV than hospital patients?

Er... this doesn't correspond to my image of punishment. It should be illegal for any prison to allow inmates to watch TV. Where's the punishment? Basically, in my view, prisons should be close to the dungeon concept.

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cant see the problem with Bounty...mother gets a party bag, hospital gets a bung. win win.

http://www.ukmarketingmanagement.com/mailing-lists/consumer-lists-2/

List Name: Bounty New Mothers

Description: Mothers with children aged 0-3 years old

Qty: 3,000,000

Base Price per 1000: £100

Min Order: 5,000

Bounty Young Families

Description: Mothers with children aged 4 to 11

Qty: 3,600,000

Base Price per 1000: £100

Bounty Mothers

Description: Mothers with children aged 4-11 years old

Qty: 2,000,000

Base Price per 1000: £100

Min Order: 5,000

Edit, and a commission-only pay structure for the reps.

http://www.wisdomjobs.co.uk/photographer-distribution-coordinator-jobs-chester-278422

Inteerstingly for a job which involves photography, all they want is a sales background, a cupboard and a car.

Requirements are:

Customer service or sales background desirable

Well presented

Storage space such as garage or a secure outbuilding on ground floor level for storing stock

A clean drivers licence and use of own car

Live within close proximity of hospital

CRB check will be required

Still, I'm sure a direct marketing outfit signing up new mothers to junk mailing lists which contain details of their children, in exchange for a couple of free pots of cream, on a comission-only basis, is completely beyond reproach.

There must be a problem here, because few sane people would say yes to the following:

"If we give you some nik-naks, will you give us your details and your kid's details, which we will make available for sale for many years to come"

Bounty's own stats say something like 95% of people say 'yes' to the above proposition. QED, they ain't being told the whole story.

Edited by cheeznbreed

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Er... this doesn't correspond to my image of punishment. It should be illegal for any prison to allow inmates to watch TV. Where's the punishment? Basically, in my view, prisons should be close to the dungeon concept.

Opiate of the masses... cheaper than batons.

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http://www.ukmarketi...nsumer-lists-2/

List Name: Bounty New Mothers

Description: Mothers with children aged 0-3 years old

Qty: 3,000,000

Base Price per 1000: £100

Min Order: 5,000

Bounty Young Families

Description: Mothers with children aged 4 to 11

Qty: 3,600,000

Base Price per 1000: £100

Bounty Mothers

Description: Mothers with children aged 4-11 years old

Qty: 2,000,000

Base Price per 1000: £100

Min Order: 5,000

Births are a matter of public record.

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indeed, but their addresses are not. See the additional stuff I put on. Open yer eyes, man!

CRB for the list buyers?

Marketing lists are everywhere....buy a car, get on a list, register on a website, get on a list, register a warranty, get on a list.

Cant condone pressure sales though...not in a hospital....cant say we ever saw any 25 years ago....but we did get a bounty bag..used to service one of their offices with bog rolls in Eye.

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CRB for the list buyers?

Marketing lists are everywhere....buy a car, get on a list, register on a website, get on a list, register a warranty, get on a list.

Cant condone pressure sales though...not in a hospital....cant say we ever saw any 25 years ago....but we did get a bounty bag..used to service one of their offices with bog rolls in Eye.

The job description, commission only pay structure, sales experience required. Doesn't say you need to know what a camera is, nevermind be competent in using it.

If we, on this site know anything about commission-driven sales tactics, it is that they tend to allow foot-in-the-door types to prosper using a wealth of misinformation, often with 'suboptimal' outcomes, to put it mildly. Feck, most people don;t want a double glazing salesman on their doorstep, but here we are, individuals being paid on the same basis are doorstepping vulnerable people.

Some employees will be good, others not. Part of the problem seems to be that the company has a hard time telling which are which itself, or doesn't care. Some of the experiences reported on the MN thread, if accurate, amount to harassment, pure and simple.

The NHS bears a great responsibility here- these are sales sharks and dataminers, given access priveliges on wards greater than the spouses of patients!

Mrs cheeznbreed is due in November, it comes to something when the notes for the midwife contain requests about direct sales approaches. Shame on the trust concerned.

Edited by cheeznbreed

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Women having babies are niether ill or particularly vulnerable.

the reps should have no more access than ordinary visitors. the wards are not really public places.

If they are caught lying, a complaint to the Hospital is in order.

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If we, on this site know anything about commission-driven sales tactics, it is that they tend to allow foot-in-the-door types to prosper using a wealth of misinformation, often with 'suboptimal' outcomes, to put it mildly. Feck, most people don;t want a double glazing salesman on their doorstep, but here we are, individuals being paid on the same basis are doorstepping vulnerable people.

Get them and both ends. Last snap of granny before she croaks? They're missing a trick.

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Er... this doesn't correspond to my image of punishment. It should be illegal for any prison to allow inmates to watch TV. Where's the punishment? Basically, in my view, prisons should be close to the dungeon concept.

I don't know, if you tuned it so they could only watch BBC4 you might inspire a few of them to become better people.

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Why would you need 24 hours of TV ?

Go into hospital, watch TV 24/7, you'd come out exhausted and your brain would be fried.

its not for you...its for the nurses.

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40,000 tvs depreciated over 3 years versus the cost of employing additional screws to keep bored inmates in order. No brainer.

The issue here is not that tvs are used to keep prison wings quiet but that NHS managers have been duped into allowing a scam to operate. Presumably for kickbacks.

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The question should be why are prisoners getting any tv.

Unfortunately I am an acquaintance of several habitual prison dwellers, they treat it as if its some sort of holiday.

Because those who run the prison system are pragmatic.

Bored prisoners are dangerous prisoners. Do you want violent individuals who are locked in their cells 8+ hours of the day, becoming extremely bored and "inventing" alternative forms of entertainment?

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A number of years ago (about 2003, IIRC), the government created an "initiative" whereby any patient staying in an NHS hospital would be able to have a phone by their bedside, and therefore they permitted private companies to contract with NHS trusts to provide bedside phones, but the important stipulation was that there could be no NHS/taxpayers contribution.

These companies, the main one being patientline, saw an opportunity, and designed a phone/TV/internet terminal which would meet the requirements - cleanable and disinfectable, retractable, suitable for bed-side use, etc. They then started installing these at various hospitals around the country, and Sheffield were one of the first to get it. The total costs of each terminal, including R&D, manufacturing and installation came to about £1000 per bed (extra sockets, aerial leads, network infrastructure all had to be installed, and usually by an PFI provider's preferred contractor).

What patientline failed to predict was the massive administrative nightmare from constant bed shuffling to maximize bed occupancy in NHS hospitals, the fact that the service was simply too expensive for the bulk of the hospital population who tend to be poor and elderly as those are the group that get most health problems. The company promptly went bust.

It's rise phoenix like from the ashes a couple of times - but the fundamental problem now is that mobile phones are increasingly regarded as acceptable on hospital wards, portable computing devices like laptops and tablets can provide entertainment and communication, leaving relatively little market for this TV service, and its enormously expensive infrastructure.

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