Renewed Investor Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Anyone here browsed it? It appeals to my investigative urges, it's astounding some fo the stuff you can find trawling the sites out there, just be careful not to click anything that is even remotely sexual though as there is a lot of CP out there. Sites like the Silk Road have fascinated me. I would never buy anything on there as it is mostly criminals dealing with criminals so would not want these sorts getting my addresses or any data for that matter. It blows my mind that if I had the money though I could have a rocket launcher or ex-soviet missiles delivered to me. Theres plenty of cops on there I'm sure and hence why they implemented a ebay style reputation rating to filter out the authorities and limit risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDavola Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I've heard of it but I never investigated it as I should probably keep away from the darker side of the net; but as a techie I'd be interested to know what are the technical steps required to access it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renewed Investor Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 I've heard of it but I never investigated it as I should probably keep away from the darker side of the net; but as a techie I'd be interested to know what are the technical steps required to access it? I have a friend who is a Network programmer who showed me it all initially. I gave him an old laptop with which he wiped it clean and installed Linux and a program called TOR. TOR is an anomonous way to browse the net and it has no filters in it at all. It can read and dislay hidden sites and abandoned websites. He and I have browsed the deep web on and off for the last couple of years. I don't venture on it unless I'm hanging out with him. My fear is I may do or click something harmful and without him there may not be able to fix the problem. You can find some very interesting things though. For example we came across an actual "Fight Club" type company that travels around the USA holding underground fighting tournaments. Membership had to be earned by taking part in a fight yourself and "donating" $5000 to the event organisers via bitcoins. From there we stumbled upon something very dark though. A seperate company offered tickets to go and watch men fight to the death in Vietnam. You could watch men fighting men or men fighting animals in UFC type cage rings. Again you had to pay in bitcoins and prices started from $200K. This site had a lot less info on it than the fight club type and required payment to get further access into the site so we didn't bother venturing any further. Astounding that these types of things exist though isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperChimp Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I have a friend who is a Network programmer who showed me it all initially. I gave him an old laptop with which he wiped it clean and installed Linux and a program called TOR. TOR is an anomonous way to browse the net and it has no filters in it at all. It can read and dislay hidden sites and abandoned websites. He and I have browsed the deep web on and off for the last couple of years I wouldn't admit to things like this on a forum like this. It is not that difficult for the police to obtain IP addresses and server longs from the site's owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renewed Investor Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 I wouldn't admit to things like this on a forum like this. It is not that difficult for the police to obtain IP addresses and server longs from the site's owners. As far as I am aware it is not illegal. It would be illegal if I were to use it to perform illegal acts, but the software itself just picks up things that Google and such are unable to detect/read. If it is illegal to use then these journalists who have come out detailing and even taking screenshots of what they have found would not be doing so. What am I supposed to be charged with supposing Police did contact me? Finding a website that offers rich people the chance to travel to vietnam and watch people fight? I'd rather they go after the owners of the site rahter than the occassional person who stumbles upon the welcome page by accident. TOR is just a tool. The anonomynity factor can be used by criminals, but it can also be used to protect yourself from hackers (which is my use for it). I don't want a hacker (and there ar elots of them in the deep web according to my mate) to get my IP address or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperChimp Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 As far as I am aware it is not illegal. It would be illegal if I were to use it to perform illegal acts, but the software itself just picks up things that Google and such are unable to detect/read. If it is illegal to use then these journalists who have come out detailing and even taking screenshots of what they have found would not be doing so. You have said in a post above that you have been 'browsing' these websites. You may have quite easily come across child pornography, and even if you are just scrolling though the website and do not consciously notice the pictures they may have been downloaded onto your computer. Having them on your computer is classed as 'making indecent images of children' and no excuse will save you when the police get hold of stuff like that. All the police need is an excuse to get a warrant. Better to be safe than sorry and not to give the police any excuse to harm you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justthisbloke Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I wouldn't admit to things like this on a forum like this. It is not that difficult for the police to obtain IP addresses and server longs from the site's owners. TOR is not illegal. Browsing via TOR is not illegal. Anonymity is not illegal. I set it up once as an experiment. Not to look at any "hidden" net; just the usual sites (such as this) but without IP traceability. I found it a bit slow and decided that easy browsing outweighed making a stand for my right to privacy. My anonymous activities are now limited to https://duckduckgo.com/ as my search engine and bitcoin (although I've hardly spent any). That said, if I were up to no good, I wouldn't do anything online. Not just because organisations and tools may not be as secure as you think but, mainly, because security is only as good as one's implementation of it. The revolution will be managed via pigeon post and runners; not Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperChimp Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 TOR is not illegal. Browsing via TOR is not illegal. Anonymity is not illegal. I wasn't worried about the TOR part but the reference to there being a large amount of child pornography. How does he know this? That is what is risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justthisbloke Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I wasn't worried about the TOR part but the reference to there being a large amount of child pornography. How does he know this? That is what is risky. The OP said he was careful not to go anywhere near any sexual sites because of that risk. Sure, someone could put a link labelled "house price news" that actually takes you to illegal content. But that could happen anywhere or you could fall victim to one the blackmail malwares. At least TOR would allow you to treble wipe the drive and know that the anonymity would mean you'd left no IP traces anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I tried TOR once, and the Internet thought I was Polish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I have a friend who is a Network programmer who showed me it all initially. I gave him an old laptop with which he wiped it clean and installed Linux and a program called TOR. TOR is an anomonous way to browse the net and it has no filters in it at all. It can read and dislay hidden sites and abandoned websites. He and I have browsed the deep web on and off for the last couple of years. I don't venture on it unless I'm hanging out with him. My fear is I may do or click something harmful and without him there may not be able to fix the problem. You can find some very interesting things though. For example we came across an actual "Fight Club" type company that travels around the USA holding underground fighting tournaments. Membership had to be earned by taking part in a fight yourself and "donating" $5000 to the event organisers via bitcoins. From there we stumbled upon something very dark though. A seperate company offered tickets to go and watch men fight to the death in Vietnam. You could watch men fighting men or men fighting animals in UFC type cage rings. Again you had to pay in bitcoins and prices started from $200K. This site had a lot less info on it than the fight club type and required payment to get further access into the site so we didn't bother venturing any further. Astounding that these types of things exist though isn't it? Wow, that's an eye-opener. I genuinely didn't think that sort of thing went on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Wow, that's an eye-opener. I genuinely didn't think that sort of thing went on. Don't believe everything you read on the internet about what someone else saw on the internet about something that may or may not be real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renewed Investor Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 I wasn't worried about the TOR part but the reference to there being a large amount of child pornography. How does he know this? That is what is risky. I did my research reading the forums and news articles about the deep web. With foreknowledge I knew the things to avoid and followed the advice given by those who were discussing it. Google it yourself, there are guides out there warning of things to avoid out there and ways to keep safe from virus', hackers, CP etc. If I had any thoughts that I had perhaps even come into the vaguest of contact with any of that crap I would not be posting this topic here. My interest in the DW is mainly for finding political blogs from places like China, Syria etc . It's interesting to see what the people from these parts of the world really think. You can also find leaked results of things like human experiements from WW2 to modern day. There's a lot the Japanese and Germans did in secret labs that you would never find just browsing the regular net. Mengele and Unit 731 were but the tip of the iceberg. Very eye opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renewed Investor Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 The OP said he was careful not to go anywhere near any sexual sites because of that risk. Sure, someone could put a link labelled "house price news" that actually takes you to illegal content. But that could happen anywhere or you could fall victim to one the blackmail malwares. At least TOR would allow you to treble wipe the drive and know that the anonymity would mean you'd left no IP traces anywhere. Exactly. How many people are sent "nasty" content via facebook, Twitter etc and end up clicking the links either by mistake, deception or curiosity? Quite often. The latest one was of a woman being beheaded. That link is to anews article BTW, not the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I tried TOR once, and the Internet thought I was Polish! 'They' know things about you that even you don't know about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Exactly. How many people are sent "nasty" content via facebook, Twitter etc and end up clicking the links either by mistake, deception or curiosity? Quite often. The latest one was of a woman being beheaded. That link is to anews article BTW, not the video. Are tickets still available for the Who's next live performance Pete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Are tickets still available for the Who's next live performance Pete? He could be Amada Platell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 How many people are sent "nasty" content via facebook, Twitter etc and end up clicking the links either by mistake, deception or curiosity? Quite often. The latest one was of a woman being beheaded. That link is to anews article BTW, not the video. I hadn't heard about that but a quick read of the background suggests to me that it might be the work of FB themselves, desperately trying to create a stir around their flagging "product". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The XYY Man Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I tried TOR once, and the Internet thought I was Polish! Jesteś Lech Wałęsa, i twierdzą, moje 5 Złoty... XYY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrillex Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 As far as I am aware it is not illegal. It would be illegal if I were to use it to perform illegal acts, but the software itself just picks up things that Google and such are unable to detect/read. If it is illegal to use then these journalists who have come out detailing and even taking screenshots of what they have found would not be doing so. What am I supposed to be charged with supposing Police did contact me? Finding a website that offers rich people the chance to travel to vietnam and watch people fight? I'd rather they go after the owners of the site rahter than the occassional person who stumbles upon the welcome page by accident. TOR is just a tool. The anonomynity factor can be used by criminals, but it can also be used to protect yourself from hackers (which is my use for it). I don't want a hacker (and there ar elots of them in the deep web according to my mate) to get my IP address or anything. I wasn't worried about the TOR part but the reference to there being a large amount of child pornography. How does he know this? That is what is risky. Firstly it's Tor not TOR. Secondly Google does index a lot of the darkweb through the .onion.to proxy service so it's not really that underground anymore. I've been using Tor for a while and the only thing I've ever come across are David Icke style message boards and black market sites like Silk Road and Black Market reloaded. The marketplaces are fascinating to look at it but I've never purchased anything from them. My drug of choice is the local offie special of the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I saw this video once and it had racing drivers engaged in a trans-continental race of the USA trying to killing as many standers-by as possible in exchange for points. Then I found it wasn't real and actually starred David Carradine and Sylvester Stallone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Firstly it's Tor not TOR. Secondly Google does index a lot of the darkweb through the .onion.to proxy service so it's not really that underground anymore. I've been using Tor for a while and the only thing I've ever come across are David Icke style message boards and black market sites like Silk Road and Black Market reloaded. The marketplaces are fascinating to look at it but I've never purchased anything from them. My drug of choice is the local offie special of the week You can also pay for similar VPN services, such as CyberGhost, which work properly. Personally I only use these as I find I can watch films early on services like Netflix and because occasionally I want to get a different network route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Wow, that's an eye-opener. I genuinely didn't think that sort of thing went on. Probably a spoof. This one even fooled the BBC. http://www.newturfer...nRing-Fight.htm Spectators cheered as entire Cambodian Midget Fighting League squared off against African Lion Tickets had been sold-out three weeks before the much anticipated fight, which took place in the city of Kâmpóng Chhnãng. The fight was slated when an angry fan contested Yang Sihamoni, President of the CMFL, claiming that one lion could defeat his entire league of 42 fighters. The fight was called in only 12 minutes, after which 28 fighters were declared dead, while the other 14 suffered severe injuries including broken bones and lost limbs, rendering them unable to fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen_out Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Probably a spoof. This one even fooled the BBC. http://www.newturfer...nRing-Fight.htm For some reason this reminds me of the old pub ice breaker question: How many primary school kids do you think you could beat in a fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Jesteś Lech Wałęsa, i twierdzą, moje 5 Złoty... Я никогда не становлюсь польским Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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