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The service at this private clinic is better than the NHS because it is 3x the price. NHS budgeting for GP appointments is about £20 for an appointment (that's not the GP's salary, that's the entire remuneration to the practice, including all assistant staff and overheads).

It's hardly a surprise that a service charging £60 for an appointment can provide a better level of "customer service". The problem with the NHS in general, is that there is essentially no incentive for staff to go beyond the minimum standards specified by senior management/politicians. GPs have to provide a minimum level of cover; there is no benefit to a practice to have a late-night or weekend clinic, with the need to pay higher staff wages, if there is no additional remuneration for offering this enhanced service, over a minimal service.

In a pay-per-use scenario, anything that is more convenient for customers will bring more customers through the door, and is therefore rewarded.

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Good on 'em.

As it happens I think long waiting lists for GPs can be due to pisspoor management. If a surgery has a steady 2 week wait, why don't they employ someone temporarily to get rid of the backlog.

My surgery has a good system-call, leave message, get phoned back by GP within the hour. If they think you need an appointment, you'll be seen that day, within an hour sometimes. I guess they weed out people with minor ailments.

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Wondering if the so called Casualty crisis at the moment is down to people unable to see a GP or nurse at their local surgery in a reasonable time frame.

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there,for all the immigration moaners.a positive story to show the benefits of it from the wail.

Quite, but the fact they have fifty staff and "the majority of them are Poles" shows that their recruitment policies are not very inclusive.

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This is just a Daily

Mail propaganda piece. It's not news.

'Doctors see private patients scandal. '

'Some doctors are foreign, shocked humans learn. '

'Private medicine 'often better but more expensive' discover scientists. '

'Daily

Mail

Exclusive: Nhs is shit and should be sold off cheap to rich baby boomers and bankers'

'Nhs 'worse than Jews' claims sage of Nuremberg.'

'Why Nhs will give you cancer'

Edited by (Blizzard)

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This is just a Daily

Mail propaganda piece. It's not news.

'Doctors see private patients scandal. '

'Some doctors are foreign, shocked humans learn. '

'Private medicine 'often better but more expensive' discover scientists. '

'Daily

Mail

Exclusive: Nhs is shit and should be sold off cheap to rich baby boomers and bankers'

'Nhs 'worse than Jews' claims sage of Nuremberg.'

'Why Nhs will give you cancer'

Branson might be interested in some of it

Virgin family planning?

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That clinic charges more for one GP appointment than the NHS allocates for unlimited appointments per person per year (in reality about 5 ). It's no wonder they can provide a better service.

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Wondering if the so called Casualty crisis at the moment is down to people unable to see a GP or nurse at their local surgery in a reasonable time frame.

That's what the people who work in A&E seem to think (I know several). They believe that overall, people are having such difficulties getting appts at their GP's surgery that going to A&E is a routine default position. Or NHS walk in centres. GPs are also prone to simply batting anything tricky/time consuming onto their local hospital.

Shovelling tonnes of cash at GPs, and then essentially letting them work office hours, was another of New Labour's crasser policies. Not that the ConDems seem to be fixing the situation.

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The service at this private clinic is better than the NHS because it is 3x the price. NHS budgeting for GP appointments is about £20 for an appointment (that's not the GP's salary, that's the entire remuneration to the practice, including all assistant staff and overheads).

It's hardly a surprise that a service charging £60 for an appointment can provide a better level of "customer service". The problem with the NHS in general, is that there is essentially no incentive for staff to go beyond the minimum standards specified by senior management/politicians. GPs have to provide a minimum level of cover; there is no benefit to a practice to have a late-night or weekend clinic, with the need to pay higher staff wages, if there is no additional remuneration for offering this enhanced service, over a minimal service.

In a pay-per-use scenario, anything that is more convenient for customers will bring more customers through the door, and is therefore rewarded.

Probably no competition yet though. (And its in West London) Ive read of a yank doctor who recently went cash up front only and charges $50 an appointment. Im sure innovative poles could do it for lower than that.

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They have captured a gap in the market, time poor with available cash they think is worth spending to be seen quickly on their terms, no high insurance costs, pay as you need it, less stress more time....good on them...frees up a bit more space in the NHS for the rest that can wait a few days for an appointment and are able to give up half a days work up to sit around for a bit or not as the case may be. ;)

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They have captured a gap in the market, time poor with available cash they think is worth spending to be seen quickly on their terms, no high insurance costs, pay as you need it, less stress more time....good on them...frees up a bit more space in the NHS for the rest that can wait a few days for an appointment and are able to give up half a days work up to sit around for a bit or not as the case may be. ;)

Except its not a gap. It's been available for years. £100 (ish) the GP will come to you.

So why are they reporting it? Oh, right...

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Except its not a gap. It's been available for years. £100 (ish) the GP will come to you.

So why are they reporting it? Oh, right...

News to me.....what is the problem, is it not good that people have alternative choices? ;)

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That clinic charges more for one GP appointment than the NHS allocates for unlimited appointments per person per year (in reality about 5 ). It's no wonder they can provide a better service.

So where does all the money go?

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They have captured a gap in the market, time poor with available cash they think is worth spending to be seen quickly on their terms, no high insurance costs, pay as you need it.

The private healthcare market is reasonably competitive. You don't need to have private insurance to see a GP at BUPA. You just phone the clinic and make an appointment and pay the £70 when you turn up. If you want an emergency GP to visit you at home at 2 am, then there are plenty of private GPs who would be willing to attend for £100-120.

There's nothing particularly innovative about this clinic, other than that their rates are cheaper than the big brands.

The cynic in me thinks that this story is a rather skilful PR exercise, used by the clinic to drum up some business; the daily mail are suckers for printing excrement from PR companies and making them look like journalism.

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The private healthcare market is reasonably competitive. You don't need to have private insurance to see a GP at BUPA. You just phone the clinic and make an appointment and pay the £70 when you turn up. If you want an emergency GP to visit you at home at 2 am, then there are plenty of private GPs who would be willing to attend for £100-120.

There's nothing particularly innovative about this clinic, other than that their rates are cheaper than the big brands.

The cynic in me thinks that this story is a rather skilful PR exercise, used by the clinic to drum up some business; the daily mail are suckers for printing excrement from PR companies and making them look like journalism.

...Fine but how many people know this....and why would people pay a salaried NHS doctor £100-£120 extra on top of a reasonable wage they already get, when not that many years ago a known family doctor would come out after working hours to see someone in need when they needed them........these new incentives can only bring down the cost of seeing someone, when you need them, at a price most people CAN afford to pay. ;)

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...Fine but how many people know this....and why would people pay a salaried NHS doctor £100-£120 extra on top of a reasonable wage they already get, when not that many years ago a known family doctor would come out after working hours to see someone in need when they needed them........these new incentives can only bring down the cost of seeing someone, when you need them, at a price most people CAN afford to pay. ;)

You only need to look at the state of people's teeth to see why most wouldn't pay or even want to know. The population is so used to healthcare being "free" that if there is any kind of charge they'd rather wait until they've coughed up half their pelvic organs before seeking any kind of attention.

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You only need to look at the state of people's teeth to see why most wouldn't pay or even want to know. The population is so used to healthcare being "free" that if there is any kind of charge they'd rather wait until they've coughed up half their pelvic organs before seeking any kind of attention.

Is it necessary to have unnatural "American" teeth or is it fashion/vanity.

If I feel the need for medical advice I'll seek it, NHS or not, but I haven't visited a doctor other than for CAA medicals, for about twenty years. Not bravado or macho, just a statement of fact.

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News to me.....what is the problem, is it not good that people have alternative choices? ;)

Sure, and if people choose to be brainwashed by their propaganda i'm sure the financiers and monopolists will be eternally grateful.

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...Fine but how many people know this....and why would people pay a salaried NHS doctor £100-£120 extra on top of a reasonable wage they already get, when not that many years ago a known family doctor would come out after working hours to see someone in need when they needed them........these new incentives can only bring down the cost of seeing someone, when you need them, at a price most people CAN afford to pay. ;)

Knowing how to find private healthcare isn't difficult; you can easily find the details of providers and phone or email them for more information. The insurance industry have done well in creating the illusion that you need private insurance for private healthcare.

As to the ludicrous GP contract, well, you need to refer your queries to Tony Blair and his marauding bunch of incompetents. It's hardly a surprise that GPs signed up to this contract, but I simply cannot understand how the government had considered that they were getting a good deal (I'm told by some people with political contacts, that the government really did believe that they were getting a great deal, which would drastically cut the cost of providing GP services, and force GPs to work harder and more efficiently for less remuneration; the government simply couldn't understand why GPs almost bit their hand off to sign the new contract).

I don't see any problem with independent businesses setting up to offer a service that they think is worthwhile. However, the services that this clinic offers are not much cheaper than competitors - sure, there is a difference compared to the big insurer-owned services(£60 for 30 mins, as opposed to £70 for 15 mins), but the price is not at all out of the ordinary compared to many smaller independent groups.

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Knowing how to find private healthcare isn't difficult; you can easily find the details of providers and phone or email them for more information. The insurance industry have done well in creating the illusion that you need private insurance for private healthcare.

As to the ludicrous GP contract, well, you need to refer your queries to Tony Blair and his marauding bunch of incompetents. It's hardly a surprise that GPs signed up to this contract, but I simply cannot understand how the government had considered that they were getting a good deal (I'm told by some people with political contacts, that the government really did believe that they were getting a great deal, which would drastically cut the cost of providing GP services, and force GPs to work harder and more efficiently for less remuneration; the government simply couldn't understand why GPs almost bit their hand off to sign the new contract).

I don't see any problem with independent businesses setting up to offer a service that they think is worthwhile. However, the services that this clinic offers are not much cheaper than competitors - sure, there is a difference compared to the big insurer-owned services(£60 for 30 mins, as opposed to £70 for 15 mins), but the price is not at all out of the ordinary compared to many smaller independent groups.

Absolutely. You can pay for open heart surgery for the cost of three or four years BUPA insurance for a 60+ year old.

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Is it necessary to have unnatural "American" teeth or is it fashion/vanity.

I was thinking about tooth decay, not simply yellowed/uneven smiles. Rather than visit the dentist to get it sorted it's just left until the only option is multiple extractions, often preceded by a visit to A&E with a dental abscess..

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Knowing how to find private healthcare isn't difficult; you can easily find the details of providers and phone or email them for more information. The insurance industry have done well in creating the illusion that you need private insurance for private healthcare.

As to the ludicrous GP contract, well, you need to refer your queries to Tony Blair and his marauding bunch of incompetents. It's hardly a surprise that GPs signed up to this contract, but I simply cannot understand how the government had considered that they were getting a good deal (I'm told by some people with political contacts, that the government really did believe that they were getting a great deal, which would drastically cut the cost of providing GP services, and force GPs to work harder and more efficiently for less remuneration; the government simply couldn't understand why GPs almost bit their hand off to sign the new contract).

I don't see any problem with independent businesses setting up to offer a service that they think is worthwhile. However, the services that this clinic offers are not much cheaper than competitors - sure, there is a difference compared to the big insurer-owned services(£60 for 30 mins, as opposed to £70 for 15 mins), but the price is not at all out of the ordinary compared to many smaller independent groups.

Here lies the problem......Labour bought more votes and threw more public money away because it was

....money we end up paying for twice.....once in compulsory taxes, twice in the service we thought we were paying for but failed to receive so end up forking extra out for to get what we used to get via the tax we paid, now it works out to get what you used to get you have to pay extra an extra costly add on..... ;)

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The service at this private clinic is better than the NHS because it is 3x the price. NHS budgeting for GP appointments is about £20 for an appointment (that's not the GP's salary, that's the entire remuneration to the practice, including all assistant staff and overheads).

But an NHS GP allocates 10 mins per appointment, and here you get 30 mins, so the costs are comparable. These medyks might even read your notes---who knows?

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Quite, but the fact they have fifty staff and "the majority of them are Poles" shows that their recruitment policies are not very inclusive.

Yes, they are definitely missing a diversity coordi

nator and director

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But an NHS GP allocates 10 mins per appointment, and here you get 30 mins, so the costs are comparable. These medyks might even read your notes---who knows?

Not really. As mentioned earlier each NHS GP is allocated £60 per year to provide potentially unlimited appointments to each patient on their list. I would also imagine that the £70 covers up to 30mins and the clinic would actually operate on a model assuming an average consultation time, using several doctors working in parallel. Otherwise this would be quite an inefficient way to work as most GP consultations will not take 30mins.

As this is a private GP service, any X-rays, scans or medications will cost you additional money as they will not be provided on the NHS. While they don't have a prescription charge you'll have to pay the full retail price for the medication. Fine if you're after some amoxicillin but many commonly prescribed drugs (such as asthma inhalers) are surprisingly expensive. Say a man in his 50s or 60s visits having a cough/wheeze for a while. You'd find costs quickly racking up (2x £70 appointments, 1x£75 chest X-ray, 1 x £60 spirometry test, £20-30 for an inhaler).

What it does suggest is that a fee-per-service model would allow the NHS to adapt to local needs. If waiting times were long then people would change practice whereas keeping waiting times short would attract more people, bringing more income and allowing the practice to recruit more GPs.

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