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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22803502

Laws controlling pornography in England and Wales need to be strengthened to make it illegal to download staged rape images, campaigners say.

In a letter to PM David Cameron they say sexual violence as "entertainment" causes a "huge cultural harm".

The deputy children's commissioner for England is among those calling on the government to close the "loophole".

But the Ministry of Justice recently said there is "no evidence" that such material harms society, it has emerged.

So what they are saying is that we should be banned from watching actors act?

From memory The Accused has a brutal rape screen should this film be banned as well?

If they went down this road at what point would a "rape" scene become a illegal?

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Perhaps they should focus on following up reports and supporting the victims rather than just passing yet another law.

The Oxford victims of the muslim rape gang went multiple times to police and social workers and nothing was done, and many womens crisis centres are struggling with budget cuts http://www.fmwf.com/media-type/news/2011/02/womens-support-centres-suffering-budget-cuts/

So against that backdrop I find it annoying that the government is mucking about with yet more online restrictions (not that I support anybody's right to watch this sort of stuff, it's horrible) as a pretence of doing something whilst in the real world support for victims is poor and diminishing.

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What concerns me is that, distasteful as the subject may seem, violent pornography may serve as a safety valve, allowing some people to satisfy their urges without performing an illegal act.

It is unsurprising that violent sex offenders are often found to posses violent pornography, but haht does not consitute correlation in any statistically significant sense, and even if there was correlation, that does not demonstrate that the pornography causes people to act out what they have seen.

No doubt, attempts to have a rational discussion about this in the mainstream media will fail.

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What concerns me is that, distasteful as the subject may seem, violent pornography may serve as a safety valve, allowing some people to satisfy their urges without performing an illegal act.

It is unsurprising that violent sex offenders are often found to posses violent pornography, but haht does not consitute correlation in any statistically significant sense, and even if there was correlation, that does not demonstrate that the pornography causes people to act out what they have seen.

No doubt, attempts to have a rational discussion about this in the mainstream media will fail.

Well I can watch all the gay porn I want but I don't think it will make me gay.

More to the point, these types of laws seek to make it illegal to record (photographically or otherwise) a perfectly legal act. I mean, they're not seeking to ban the act of consenting adults playing at rape/being raped, are they? So, if somebody can legally do something, why shouldn't I be able to watch them doing it, legally?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22803502

So what they are saying is that we should be banned from watching actors act?

From memory The Accused has a brutal rape screen should this film be banned as well?

If they went down this road at what point would a "rape" scene become a illegal?

well that's Rashomon (Kurasowa) and Virgin Spring (Bergmann) stuffed also,

and god know how many others.

this is just an add-on to the crazy "extreme pornography" law passed some years ago under the nuLab prigs, whereby it's now a criminal offence to be in possession of a video of consenting adults engaging in activity that is not itself a crime.

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well that's Rashomon (Kurasowa) and Virgin Spring (Bergmann) stuffed also,

and god know how many others.

this is just an add-on to the crazy "extreme pornography" law passed some years ago under the nuLab prigs, whereby it's now a criminal offence to be in possession of a video of consenting adults engaging in activity that is not itself a crime.

Or indeed a cartoon of it.

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Or indeed a cartoon of it.

A good point.

With child pornography, 'making an image' includes making drawings and is a serious criminal offence.

Whilst child porn featuring real children is always inherently abonimable, if a drawing from imagination sates a potential child abuser's urges, thus removing the 'need' to actually prey on a child, could this not be a good thing?

I say this relating to child abusers, as there is a debate as to whether such people are 'sick' and can or or cannot be 'cured'. Like it or not, such people may be unable to avoid having these desires; the intelligent question might be what paths can they take that actually avoids or prevents a real child from being abused.

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You know that these laws that lack any common sense will be abused. Just another sign of a state that is out of control, able to press buttons, drip-drip-dripping towards neutering the internet.

Every e-mail, every comment, every site visit. Fearful people are obedient people.

Funnily enough the simulated 'rape' scene that comes to mind for me is the one in Basic Instinct with Nick and Beth, which is pretty full on.

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I say this relating to child abusers, as there is a debate as to whether such people are 'sick' and can or or cannot be 'cured'. Like it or not, such people may be unable to avoid having these desires; the intelligent question might be what paths can they take that actually avoids or prevents a real child from being abused.

Seconded. I'm not sexually attracted to children; in fact I'm only really attracted to grown women who have what I believe is technically described as a 'pronounced secondary sexual characteristic".

But that's my particular kink, and unless I go about forcing my attentions on the targets of my fixation, it's harmless, and there's more than enough legal material on the internet to keep me happy.

My parents used to let me (and both my siblings) run around on beaches completely naked when I was a small child. If some enterprising paedo had been snapping me with a long lens and then going home and 'enjoying' said pics, I really couldn't give a monkeys, because no harm has come to me. If such a picture circulated on dodgy forums for the pleasure of other paedos years after it was taken, I still wouldn't really give a toss, because they're no danger to me now I'm a big, ugly, bald full sized man.

TBH if I think back I reckon my particular fetish developed before I even hit puberty, albeit that it was cemented by an incident at a school disco when I was not long turned 13. I'm sympathetic to people who are paedophiles in the literal sense- I.E. sexually attracted to children- as I doubt they have much choice in the matter. I daresay that 'ordinary' paedophiles outnumber 'predatory' paedophiles- I.E. those who actually go out and abuse children- by 10-1 or more. But in much the same way as (apparently) a lot of men enjoy watching hardcore porn (I genuinely don't like it) without ever going out and raping women, I daresay that the majority of paedophiles found with awful child abuse vids on their computers would never do the same themselves. But they'll still watch them.

An ex-teacher of mine who once lifted me bodily off a zip line aged 12 has recently been sent down for 2 years for the 90,000 odd kiddy porn pics on his computer. He didn't touch me up then and there's no suggestion at all that he did anything at all to any of the kids at the school he taught at for 20 years.

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Seconded. I'm not sexually attracted to children; in fact I'm only really attracted to grown women who have what I believe is technically described as a 'pronounced secondary sexual characteristic".

A big Adam's apple? :unsure:

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An ex-teacher of mine who once lifted me bodily off a zip line aged 12 has recently been sent down for 2 years for the 90,000 odd kiddy porn pics on his computer. He didn't touch me up then and there's no suggestion at all that he did anything at all to any of the kids at the school he taught at for 20 years.

Your post is full of the kind of good sense and balance that an enraged Sun reader could never grasp, alas. The thing that always gets me about the people with the tens of thousands of images is that they're clearly suffering from some kind of Asperger's like obsession with collecting the images themselves - the actual content might well be almost incidental. I doubt they can find the time to actually abuse real children.

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Your post is full of the kind of good sense and balance that an enraged Sun reader could never grasp, alas. The thing that always gets me about the people with the tens of thousands of images is that they're clearly suffering from some kind of Asperger's like obsession with collecting the images themselves - the actual content might well be almost incidental. I doubt they can find the time to actually abuse real children.

Don't forget that, unless they are drawings from the imagination, the images will essentially be of real chidren being abused, and directly or indirectly, collecting such images will be encouraging such abuse (at the least, by satisfying the photgraphers bias or ego).

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Don't forget that, unless they are drawings from the imagination, the images will essentially be of real chidren being abused, and directly or indirectly, collecting such images will be encouraging such abuse (at the least, by satisfying the photgraphers bias or ego).

I've heard that before and personally I don't buy it.

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Well I can watch all the gay porn I want but I don't think it will make me gay.

More to the point, these types of laws seek to make it illegal to record (photographically or otherwise) a perfectly legal act. I mean, they're not seeking to ban the act of consenting adults playing at rape/being raped, are they? So, if somebody can legally do something, why shouldn't I be able to watch them doing it, legally?

Such as being able to engage in sex at 16 but not watch it until 18?

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Seconded. I'm not sexually attracted to children; in fact I'm only really attracted to grown women who have what I believe is technically described as a 'pronounced secondary sexual characteristic".

Strange, isn't it, that societal trends have pushed mature women to make themselves look prebuscent without a murmur.

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Don't forget that, unless they are drawings from the imagination, the images will essentially be of real chidren being abused, and directly or indirectly, collecting such images will be encouraging such abuse (at the least, by satisfying the photgraphers bias or ego).

Utter rubbish.

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In my experience its actually woman who like to look at this stuff as it turns them on - more than men.

What that adds to the story i don't know.

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In my experience its actually woman who like to look at this stuff as it turns them on - more than men.

What that adds to the story i don't know.

My wife loves watching videos of brutal, illegal acts, snuff films in fact. I think they're called NCIS and Miami CSI, or something like that. I don't think it turns her on, well, I am never in receipt of "special attention" afterwards. I'm also pretty sure she's not acting out any of this stuff.

Why is it that films of legal acts which appeal to men are socially unacceptable?

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,If porn is taken off the internet, then it will suffer the same fate as "television", which I no longer watch, since the "topless darts" was axed! ;)

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Don't forget that, unless they are drawings from the imagination, the images will essentially be of real chidren being abused, and directly or indirectly, collecting such images will be encouraging such abuse (at the least, by satisfying the photgraphers bias or ego).

The word tenuous comes to mind.

I've seen evidence of how rape rates were inversely correlated with the varying adoption of home Internet connections in different parts of the US. I find it believable.

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Such as being able to engage in sex at 16 but not watch it until 18?

My wife and I have been together years but she was sixteen when we met. I have some, ahem, interesting pictures of her that we took before she turned eighteen. My understanding is that, since we are man and wife, this is acceptable. However should we ever separate they automatically mutate into some kind of child pornography.

What a genius piece of legislation THAT was.

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My wife and I have been together years but she was sixteen when we met. I have some, ahem, interesting pictures of her that we took before she turned eighteen. My understanding is that, since we are man and wife, this is acceptable. However should we ever separate they automatically mutate into some kind of child pornography.

What a genius piece of legislation THAT was.

The sort that only the righteous and truly twisted can come up with.

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The thing that always gets me about the people with the tens of thousands of images is that they're clearly suffering from some kind of Asperger's like obsession with collecting the images themselves - the actual content might well be almost incidental.

Remember that when the authorities say "10,000 images" what they are usually talking about is movie clips, i.e. 25 images per second - 6 minutes 40 seconds doesn't quite have the same punch.

That's my guess anyway.

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Remember that when the authorities say "10,000 images" what they are usually talking about is movie clips, i.e. 25 images per second - 6 minutes 40 seconds doesn't quite have the same punch.

That's my guess anyway.

I doubt it. More likely there will be common collections that get amassed, added to then shared further.

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