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Uk Home Secretary Proposes Wider Snooping Powers In Light Of Woolwich Murder

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They can't take 'no' for an answer and try to take advantage of every opportunity to remove the last few remaining laws that protect out privacy... :ph34r:

As if the Woolwich murder could have been prevented by online snooping... :rolleyes:

UK Home Secretary Theresa May said on Sunday that it is “essential” to grant intelligence agencies the capacity to access communications data, despite overwhelming opposition to the Draft Communications Data Bill, first published last year.

The bill – widely known as the ‘Snooper’s Charter’– is making a comeback, alongside tighter controls on extremist groups, after a proposed stepping-up of Internet surveillance following the Woolwich murder.

Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg withdrew his support from the bill in April on the grounds that it was an invasion of privacy.

This ‘snooper’s charter’ would have given agencies, including police and intelligence services, access to information and data collection by Internet service providers, including details of individuals' web browsing history, social media messages and internet gaming, storing them all for 12 months.

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“It is remarkable for politicians to be jumping to legislation to monitor the entire country when all the evidence to date shows this horrific attack would not have been prevented by the communications data bill,” said Emma Carr of the UK’s Big Brother Watch in a statement released on Sunday.

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“Security Services say they struggle to monitor 4,000 leads; how would giving them access to 60m help?”

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http://rt.com/news/woolwich-snoopers-charter-murder-811/

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Tories want permanent access to every email, tweet, FB contact between every single person in the country without a warrant.

Being a democracy of course you can just vote for the other team. Ah but wait, they're run by the Corporations too, so you can't.

Justification? Less than 1 death per 62,000,000 p.a.

As close to zero probability of being killed by a nutter as it's possible to get and yet apparently the whole country is demanding all their private interactions are opened to the security services who already knew this nutter.

"We won't give in to terror" says Cameron. We'll just look at all your billions of social interactions instead.

They're the nutjobs.

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You'd also have to be a tad touched to believe that every email, tweet, FB contact between every single person isn't already accessible without a warrant.

They'd just like to rub our noses in it.

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Just to reiterate what I said on the main thread on the Woolwich murder

Apparently the British government is incapable of stopping small time criminals becoming radicalised by Islamic extremists in its prisons, it is unable to prevent them leaving for terrorist training or coming back to this country through its borders (though apparently it can with-hold your passport if you are a suspected football hooligan) and its security services completely fail to use information supplied to it by the Kenyan government to keep tabs on a nutcase who has fallen under the influence of Al Shabaab.and is now primed to commit murder on the streets of the UK.

Despite that catalogue of complete f*ck ups the Home Secretary Theresa May will not be announcing her resignation but is apparently telling the public that such atrocities can be stopped in future by reading the entire populations emails and monitoring their web browsing activities.

It would be laughable if it was not so tragic.

Lee Rigby has not even been buried, yet the politicians can not resist dancing up and down on his dead body demanding yet new powers to 'protect' us.

They really are rather contemptible.

It is strangely satisfying to find them as unpleasant as you suspect.

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They really are rather contemptible.

How do you think there scorecard tallies in the foreign countries that they have invaded? Oh sorry, they are not invasions are they - 'interventions'.

The same level of deceit and incompetence married with drones and torture. The shocking thing is that the threat level is still so negligible.

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You'd also have to be a tad touched to believe that every email, tweet, FB contact between every single single person isn't already accessible without a warrant.

They'd just like to rub our noses in it.

Had that ability for years as far as I know.

For example, the 'Special Facility' mentioned by Peter Wright in Spycatcher meant that every land line phone in the UK could be used as a listening device regardless of whether it was in use or not. I am pretty sure they have extended that capability in the intervening years.

Not that it would have made an iota of difference in this case as it is clear that the perpetrators of the crime made no attempt to hide their views, even turning up at radical Islamic demonstrations so that they could be spotted as well as getting banged up by the Kenyan security services on a foreign terrorist training jolly. Despite that welter of evidence Michael Adebolajo was still able to waltz down to Woolwich barracks and kill Lee Rigby. It is strange how the authorities manage to arrest and charge people for obviously joking tweets about blowing up Notingham airport because their flight was cancelled yet allowed this mad man to walk the streets of the UK free in recent years. Given that terrorist groups are almost certainly using their own version of 'Moscow Rules' or whatever technique they use to avoid detection now days it is very unlikely that they are going to be leaving obvious traces of their activities in emails, tweets or Facebook. They wont be too fussed about whether individuals such as the perpetrators of the Woolwich attack are visible as they are probably deemed both exposable and expendable to their cause in the first place.

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You'd also have to be a tad touched to believe that every email, tweet, FB contact between every single person isn't already accessible without a warrant.

They'd just like to rub our noses in it.

Legalising what they already can do you mean..........but people still continue talking up violence in public and nothing done about that...... :blink:

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Here is what the Home Secretary is proposing

May, giving her first considered policy response to the killing, said she was concerned thousands were under threat of radicalisation.

She said there was a case for strengthening powers of the media regulator Ofcom as well as blocking or taking down extremist messages on the internet, proposals that may alarm internet service providers.

She said: "There is no doubt that people are able to watch things through the internet which can lead to radicalisation."

May said that since 2010, 5,500 items had been taken down from the internet. A government source said: "We cannot stand by and let people whip up violent hatred of Britain and its values and culture with the appalling consequences we have seen."

In addition, ministers are looking at:

• Using orders to ban organisations that don't meet the threshold for proscription.

• Tightening the duties on universities to take action against extremist preachers.

• Closing unregulated schools and madrassas, as well as requiring mosque committees to be accountable for the imams they invite to speak.

• Protecting the budgets of the counter-terrorist police and the intelligence services in next month's spending review.

• Reviewing the focus and budget of the Prevent programme, set up by the last Labour government and already reviewed once by the coalition.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/26/woolwich-murder-theresa-may-extremist-websites

The item highlighted in bold is probably top of her real agenda

Any cursory reading of the Terrorism Act 2000 with its sweeping definitions of what constitutes 'terrorist activity' shows the state has already got very wide powers which can and have been used to arrest people for things as trivial as walking on a cycle path or photographing road works.You really have to wonder what additional tools are needed particularly as the Home Office already has a pretty long list of proscribed organisations which now is just going to get longer and longer (what happens if they simply change their names every few months). Some of the proposals such as limiting the activities of extremist preachers are probably way over due but since the Home Office and Justice Ministry appears to have been merrily letting them in and out of its prisons to radicalise the inmates you wonder whether they should be on the list too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Act_2000

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Labour managed to take on all the worst bits of the Conservatives and now the Conservatives are trying to do the same with Labour's ideas. Can't say I'm surprised.

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Shhh! They just called Gidiot a w@nker...

Steal the image properly won't you, download it, then upload it to your post as an attachment. "Educate yourself"!

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I think they had enough on this pair to justify asking a judge to put a snoop on.

It should have to go before a judge imo everytime.

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Tories want permanent access to every email, tweet, FB contact between every single person in the country without a warrant.

Being a democracy of course you can just vote for the other team. Ah but wait, they're run by the Corporations too, so you can't.

Justification? Less than 1 death per 62,000,000 p.a.

As close to zero probability of being killed by a nutter as it's possible to get and yet apparently the whole country is demanding all their private interactions are opened to the security services who already knew this nutter.

"We won't give in to terror" says Cameron. We'll just look at all your billions of social interactions instead.

They're the nutjobs.

My goodness! Well I suppose it had to happen eventually. An R K post that I wholeheartedly agree with.

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