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Iain Duncan Smith Has Blood On His Hands

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I'm no big fan of IDS or the Tories in general, but I'm struggling to see why the taxpayer should continue paying for people to carry on living in big houses that they no longer need. I'm sorry that this poor woman ended up committing suicide over the issue, but IMO the blame, if any, should be laid with her psychiatrist rather than with IDS.

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3 billion people live on less than $2 per day.

2.6 billion dont have access to sanitation

780 million dont have access to clean water.

925 million people live in chronic hunger.

real poverty is not being able to eat food, drink clean water or catching a disease from other peoples excrement.

genuine poverty is people having to eat mud cakes - thats salt, oil and clay mud from the ground, baked in the sun - to stop going hungry.

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nothing too add, should have been an MP not that poor woman.

It's not like she would have ended up destitute.

I really don't see how it would be possible to run the country if the parliament was never allowed to cut someones benefits by £1000 pa, or indeed do anything else unpopular for fear it might then get a mention in a suicide note. Would you also say he has blood on his hands if someone tops themselves next week because they cannot get a council house?

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You can't really 'blame' the bedroom tax on this poor woman's suicide. You can as much blame it as you can her disability that she refused to claim on. At the point of being able and intend to take your own life, you're hardly of sound mind.

The Samaritans says that "although a catalyst may appear to be obvious, suicide is never the result of a single factor or event and is likely to have several inter-related causes".

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You can't really 'blame' the bedroom tax on this poor woman's suicide. You can as much blame it as you can her disability that she refused to claim on. At the point of being able and intend to take your own life, you're hardly of sound mind.

And what experience would you have to be able to make this judgement?

Our disabled group we have members who fight for this disability benefit for months and years and others who simply cannot face the struggle. I can see why this woman would consider taking her own life as we have others in our group in the same position.

The CAB's are turning people way and there is little in the way of help to fight both benefit clampdowns plus the bedroom tax, let alone assist people with the paperwork, the appeals and the tribunals our members are facing.

That this woman chose to kill herself wasn't necessarily a sign of an unsound mind but a choice because the alternatives were not something she could face. There has been an increase in self harm and suicides in my own group. There is only so much pressure vulnerable people can handle.

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And what experience would you have to be able to make this judgement?

More experience than I care to qualify on a public forum.

Our disabled group we have members who fight for this disability benefit for months and years and others who simply cannot face the struggle. I can see why this woman would consider taking her own life as we have others in our group in the same

Yes, this undoubtably contributed to her suicide as much as the 'bedroom tax'

That this woman chose to kill herself wasn't necessarily a sign of an unsound mind but a choice because the alternatives were not something she could face. There has been an increase in self harm and suicides in my own group. There is only so much pressure vulnerable people can handle.

Without all the facts, my assumption of an unsound mind is as unqualified as yours. But I fail to see how suicide in 99% of cases can be seen as rational.

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A pathetic story and pathetic to blame the government. Maybe if her children looked after her better then maybe this wouldn't have happened. Instead, they have to go bleating to the Sunday People or whatever socialist left wing rag this was in. I'm sick to the back teeth of these "evil government stories" and I'm sick to death of my taxes being squandered in this manner. Why the fxxk was i paying for this woman to live in a flat with 2 spare bedrooms?

I say good on IDS, I like this policy.

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A pathetic story and pathetic to blame the government. Maybe if her children looked after her better then maybe this wouldn't have happened. Instead, they have to go bleating to the Sunday People or whatever socialist left wing rag this was in. I'm sick to the back teeth of these "evil government stories" and I'm sick to death of my taxes being squandered in this manner. Why the fxxk was i paying for this woman to live in a flat with 2 spare bedrooms?

I say good on IDS, I like this policy.

i feel suicidal that I don't have a nice house and a garden in Sussex. Government taxes, banking regulatory failures, and planning laws stop me reaching that goal. If I top myself, is it the governments fault? Or should I have just SNAPPED OUT OF IT?

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I don't have a spare bedroom because I can't afford one.

Why should someone on benefits be put in a better position than those who are paying taxes to fund them?

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I read about this from a link on twitter yesterday, it was reported in the mirror

The little fact that appears to have been conveniently omitted from the yahoo article is that her daughter moved out recently..

Neither article explored the loss of board from the daughter and how this may have exacerbated the poor womans financial problems, it will certainly have increased her under-occupation of the house . Whilst the family are grieving it wouldnt be proper to highlight how they may have done things differently to be able to help her, but it is a fact that people with mental health issues need more help and support from their families and loved ones, I cant help but wonder whether the daughter moving out played a part in this tragic episode.

As others have pointed out, she chose not to claim disability benefits for years, I know from personal experience of helping a family member that claiming ESA is not always straightforward. To say this is merely about IDS is nonsense.

It would be just as accurate to say "well done socialists, you've made this woman believe she is helpless and she took her own life"

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I'm no big fan of IDS or the Tories in general, but I'm struggling to see why the taxpayer should continue paying for people to carry on living in big houses that they no longer need. I'm sorry that this poor woman ended up committing suicide over the issue, but IMO the blame, if any, should be laid with her psychiatrist rather than with IDS.

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Perhaps this woman's blood is on MY hands? After all, I don't wish to work 24x7 so she can have two free extra bedrooms.

Pity her family left her to live alone too. Her son seems quick enough to blame everyone else

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It's not like she would have ended up destitute.

I really don't see how it would be possible to run the country if the parliament was never allowed to cut someones benefits by £1000 pa, or indeed do anything else unpopular for fear it might then get a mention in a suicide note. Would you also say he has blood on his hands if someone tops themselves next week because they cannot get a council house?

This is why we are in the situation we are in today........thousands of people and families in overcrowded accommodation because we did not think ahead and provide the affordable housing for their needs, affordable means affordable for the government/tax payers as well as the tenant. ;)

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This is why we are in the situation we are in today........thousands of people and families in overcrowded accommodation because we did not think ahead and provide the affordable housing for their needs, affordable means affordable for the government/tax payers as well as the tenant. ;)

Right. Some people live in Daily Mail/Free Market Fairy lala land here.

If highly-paid professionals are snapping up two-up two downs that would have been 35K in the mid 90s for £200k and there's only a fraction of need social housing, what does that look like? Private landlords making a killing, overcrowding, gouging rents, in some cases a return to 50s-like squalor.

Housing is arguably much more important than education or the NHS as it has such a huge impact on life chances. But housing's been ignored.

Far from the DM idea of people living it up on benefit there are probably millions of people that would be better off under a milder form of communism. The rich had better watch their backs and ramp up the police state pronto.

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There is probably "blood on the hands" of most Cabinet ministers. These people spend tens of billions of pounds to provide services to tens of millions of people. There are always going to be vulnerable people, and no matter which policy a minister chooses to implement there will always be winners and losers. Transport ministers choose not to upgrade level crossings because the cost is prohibitive. Health ministers deny patients expensive drugs. Energy ministers permit power plants to release pollutants which they know will harm the health of many and kill a few.

If crash2006 was Minister for Work and Pensions, there would be blood on his hands too sooner or later. It's the nature of government. It's not possible to give everybody what they want all of the time.

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A few hundred thousand more dead , and IDS mat even begin to match Tony Blair s body count

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And what experience would you have to be able to make this judgement?

Our disabled group we have members who fight for this disability benefit for months and years and others who simply cannot face the struggle. I can see why this woman would consider taking her own life as we have others in our group in the same position.

The CAB's are turning people way and there is little in the way of help to fight both benefit clampdowns plus the bedroom tax, let alone assist people with the paperwork, the appeals and the tribunals our members are facing.

That this woman chose to kill herself wasn't necessarily a sign of an unsound mind but a choice because the alternatives were not something she could face. There has been an increase in self harm and suicides in my own group. There is only so much pressure vulnerable people can handle.

You post this quite frequently Flopsy. And I do sympathise. I do however also know an apparently perfectly fit and healthy guy that just got a brand new Citroen Picasso on Motability to replace the clearly not satisfactory three year old one that he already had. This guy has, as the saying goes, never done an honest day's work in his life, yet helps himself to a new car (not to mention the rest) at the taxpayer's expense every three years. What gives?

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Phew

Glad to see I'm not alone in my opinion on this farcical cry baby Labour voting family story.

As another poster pointed out, how much blood on Labour's hands from all those people who got killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I just had two weeks in Australia and it was no suprise to see what a fuxking mess Labout have made there. Difference being that they'll do the right thing and vote them out good and proper.

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You post this quite frequently Flopsy. And I do sympathise. I do however also know an apparently perfectly fit and healthy guy that just got a brand new Citroen Picasso on Motability to replace the clearly not satisfactory three year old one that he already had. This guy has, as the saying goes, never done an honest day's work in his life, yet helps himself to a new car (not to mention the rest) at the taxpayer's expense every three years. What gives?

It's not quite as good as that. To use the motability scheme, you have to use your DLA higher rate mobility allowance, which is over £55 a week. So, he's paying nearly £2900 a year for that car. Unless you really ARE in need of a new car every 3 years, it's a poor use of the funds really.

Having said that, many of those schemes give them free insurance, and even free tyres. :angry:

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It's not quite as good as that. To use the motability scheme, you have to use your DLA higher rate mobility allowance, which is over £55 a week. So, he's paying nearly £2900 a year for that car. Unless you really ARE in need of a new car every 3 years, it's a poor use of the funds really.

Having said that, many of those schemes give them free insurance, and even free tyres. :angry:

£2900 of taxpayer's money then. Keep meaning to video the guy and Youtube him. He's so disabled he washes it every day.

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Right. Some people live in Daily Mail/Free Market Fairy lala land here.

If highly-paid professionals are snapping up two-up two downs that would have been 35K in the mid 90s for £200k and there's only a fraction of need social housing, what does that look like? Private landlords making a killing, overcrowding, gouging rents, in some cases a return to 50s-like squalor.

Housing is arguably much more important than education or the NHS as it has such a huge impact on life chances. But housing's been ignored.

Far from the DM idea of people living it up on benefit there are probably millions of people that would be better off under a milder form of communism. The rich had better watch their backs and ramp up the police state pronto.

indeed...If there is any blood on the hands, its on the entire banking system.

Financialising a vital lifeblood neccessity like shelter is evil in the extreme.

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