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13.30 in..

http://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/episode-443-max-keiser-043/

Frankie gets a written disclaimer on RT before the interview & says he's effectively banned from the BBC

Max talks to Glaswegian comedian Frankie Boyle about Scottish independence, Boris Johnson, the mainstream media, being semi-banned from the BBC and how George Osborne’s ‘Help to Buy’ housing scheme is like eating toilet tissue while trapped in a loveless marriage caused by negative equity.

I thought the bit about political comedy & lack of media diversity was interesting

22.54 in

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Classic Frankie Boyle snip: If you look at our politicians, do they look like they could be in charge of something?

Boris Johnson... He couldn't lead you into a revolving door! He's a bouncy castle with alzheimer's. :lol:

Chuckle I did. Oooh and the bit about Thatchers guest list.

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Oooh and the bit about Thatchers guest list.

I think I just spotted why he's not on the BBC anymore.

Interesting that he has political values - you wouldn't know it from his TV comedy. Definitely on the left wing of HPC.

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I think I just spotted why he's not on the BBC anymore.

Interesting that he has political values - you wouldn't know it from his TV comedy. Definitely on the left wing of HPC.

Much as I love Max, he is a complete f***wit in this video.

'Scotland has all the oil'... yeah, right, Scotland will get all the (dwindling) reserves if it becomes independent ... :rolleyes:... in their dreams.

'Scotland should use Bitcoin as a currency'? The whole point of Bitcoin is that it is a currency beyond ownership and control of any government, FFS. Wake up, Max.

Max rails against IPR and copyright... yet boasts about his own patent.

A 'Family Crest' is a motto? Max needs to swot up on heraldry, I think.

Interesting 'Sports News' break... "Tell Mr. Vladimir Putin to have me released from compulsory treatment". Now that's a very curious thing to see on RT....

I love the upside-down 'financial markets' and other titles just before the Frankie Boyle interview. Not the best production values I have seen on a MK video.

'Banks... the Finance sector is in charge'. Spot-on, Frank. No wonder the BBC don't want you on.

I am, however aghast that Frank agrees that bankers should be hanged. No, Frank, bankers should be shot.

I am always troubled by one aspect of criticising the BBC, though... because without the BBC, what would we be left with? Everything else is controlled by Murdoch, who is even worse.

Why, at 25:20, is there a huge, empty speech bubble comoing out of Max's groin?

Edit: Crap, I finally manage to type a post without a single typo... right until the last line.

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Much as I love Max, he is a complete f***wit in this video.

'Scotland has all the oil'... yeah, right, Scotland will get all the (dwindling) reserves if it becomes independent ... :rolleyes:... in their dreams.

'Scotland should use Bitcoin as a currency'? The whole point of Bitcoin is that it is a currency beyond ownership and control of any government, FFS. Wake up, Max.

Max rails against IPR and copyright... yet boasts about his own patent.

A 'Family Crest' is a motto? Max needs to swot up on heraldry, I think.

Interesting 'Sports News' break... "Tell Mr. Vladimir Putin to have me released from compulsory treatment". Now that's a very curious thing to see on RT....

I love the upside-down 'financial markets' and other titles just before the Frankie Boyle interview. Not the best production values I have seen on a MK video.

(1) 'Banks... the Finance sector is in charge'. Spot-on, Frank. No wonder the BBC don't want you on.

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(2) I am always troubled by one aspect of criticising the BBC, though... because without the BBC, what would we be left with? Everything else is controlled by Murdoch, who is even worse.

(3) Why, at 25:20, is there a huge, empty speech bubble comoing out of Max's groin?

(1) I really enjoyed that segment... fair enough, Frankie's point that who is really in charge -- not the politicians but the bankers. It stunned me to hear that said on a MSM tv channel, as it is something I have believed in for years now.

(2) NO! - not the BBC... personally I am right on the verge of canning my tv licence and going into open rebellion. This business with Saville and Hall, other suspects and the like. I don't want anything to do with the BBC paedo ring.

(3) It's a coffee table with some white paper on it, but I give it to you it is amusing and DOES look like a speech bubble! ha!

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I thought it was interesting that Frankie mentioned the Darien Scheme. Usually the English get blamed for this but back in the those times, the Scottish McBust's of their day were forced into a Union with England due to their enormous debts incurred in said scheme.

So Frankie is saying the Union was built on debt, Well yes it was Scottish debt, and why Max thinks its such a good idea for Scotland to blow its oil revenues on building a "socialist paradise" is beyond me other than rabble rousing for Putin of course.

Almost farcical this Scottish Independence debate. Salmond is an ex banker (RBS) who will simply deliver the Scottish back to the bankers. He even wants to keep the £, and the first thing I'd want is independence from the Bank(rupt) of England.

The Scottish will get independence in but name only and its amusing that the Frankies of this world can't see it.

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I have seen MK make the point about it being Scotland's oil before. It was not all Scotland's oil. About half was by the standard methodology. However the debts relating to RBS are definitely all Scotland's.

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I have seen MK make the point about it being Scotland's oil before. It was not all Scotland's oil. About half was by the standard methodology. However the debts relating to RBS are definitely all Scotland's.

This was all definitively and finally settled by the UK statutory instrument: "the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999" which was introduced in accordance with the Scotland Act (which set up devolution) and which is broadly (but not perfectly) in accordance with United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

All pretty dry stuff - but factual, and not subject to opinion, negotiation, assertion or argument: At least 90% of the proven remaining UK continental shelf offshore oil and gas reserves are beneath the seabed in waters which all members of the United Nations would recognise as being Scottish, in the event of Scotland becoming independent from the UK.

Scottish GDP in 2008 was £145 bn. The cost of HBOS and RBS bailouts was £66 bn. An independent Scotland could quite easily have managed that. And, more to the point, I don't see any advocate of Scottish independence suggesting otherwise.

A more interesting question, IMHO, is how the forthcoming shale-gas boom will impact on the necessity or desirability of extracting the remaining hydrocarbon reserves from beneath the Scottish seabed (and this is where the oil and gas question intersects with house prices): will the NIMBY's in the English South East allow exploitation of this important resource, which I understand lies predominantly beneath their village greens and market squares and thatched cottages and converted oast houses? Oil and Gas has boosted house prices in Aberdeen, Scotland to unaffordable levels for those not directly involved in the industry. Will the homeowners and prospective buyers of Kent and Sussex see it that way?

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Scottish GDP in 2008 was £145 bn. The cost of HBOS and RBS bailouts was £66 bn. An independent Scotland could quite easily have managed that. And, more to the point, I don't see any advocate of Scottish independence suggesting otherwise.

£66bn so far, what other little nasties are hidden away in their accounts. Plus the Bank of England will want any quantative easing, special lending money back.

If the the problem was as small as £66bn the government would have let the bank fail. £66bn was the stop gap nothing more nothing less.

To be honest I would love for the Scottish to get independence but it has to be true independence with all ties severed. If as has been mooted by certain others and they don't automatically get membership in the euro zone then repatriation of nationals is going to be problematic both ways.

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£66bn so far, what other little nasties are hidden away in their accounts. Plus the Bank of England will want any quantative easing, special lending money back.

If the the problem was as small as £66bn the government would have let the bank fail. £66bn was the stop gap nothing more nothing less.

To be honest I would love for the Scottish to get independence but it has to be true independence with all ties severed. If as has been mooted by certain others and they don't automatically get membership in the euro zone then repatriation of nationals is going to be problematic both ways.

Salmond is hilarious. First he wanted to be iceland, now he doesnt. Now he wants a divorce from England, but to keep the pound. Im not against devolution, but Salmond is the best argument the Unionists could hope for.

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Almost farcical this Scottish Independence debate. Salmond is an ex banker (RBS) who will simply deliver the Scottish back to the bankers. He even wants to keep the £, and the first thing I'd want is independence from the Bank(rupt) of England.

I think that the best thing for Scotland would be to have their own currency. Maybe Salmond thinks that too privately. However, telling those who will vote in the Independence referendum that a new currency will be introduced will be just adding an additional unknown to the debate adding to insecurities....not to mention fodder for scaremongering amongst the 'bettertogether' crowd. I and most other people who view things objectively think that Salmond has and continues to do an excellent job. He's freed the Scotts from decades of Labour rule for starters.

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To be honest I would love for the Scottish to get independence but it has to be true independence with all ties severed.

Why?

If as has been mooted by certain others and they don't automatically get membership in the euro zone then repatriation of nationals is going to be problematic both ways.

How so?

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£66bn so far, what other little nasties are hidden away in their accounts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22394716

Pesto re RBS:

"...the notional loss for taxpayers today on their 82% stake in RBS is a maximum of £20bn and well over £10bn on any valuation."

Plus the Bank of England will want any quantative easing, special lending money back.

Which is to pre-judge the currency arrangements for both a future independent Scotland and the rump UK. Sounds like you prefer that the rump UK currency shouldn't take advantage of the balance of payment contribution made by oil and gas extraction from beneath the seabed of an independent Scotland's waters. Is that really what you think should happen? Or do you think that a better political solution to the democratic aspirations of the Scottish people is available, one which will not impact so drastically upon the people of the rump UK?

I don't really have a personal opinion on this, other than the observation that what's not generally understood is how well the SNP manage to manipulate the 'debate' while retaining plausible deniability. When senior SNP office holders appear to hold a position, what they are in fact doing is inviting the commentariat to form policy and to influence public opinion for them. This currency matter, for instance, is straight out of their playbook.

Any future government of an independent Scotland cannot possibly be bound by informal statements and discussion papers from a political pressure group (which is what the SNP is) - so, if the SNP's 'position' on currency is viewed as what it actually is; merely a piece of provocation - not even a negotiating position, then the well practiced tactics of the SNP are clear to read. And the dominoes fall so predictably:

1. SNP take a position, strike a pose.

2. Unionists howl in protest.

2a. Anti-Scottish sentiment is unleashed and promulgated in mainstream media and elsewhere.

3. Scottish people feel increasingly uncomfortable being - as they are - patronised (at best), belittled, and insulted by Unionists.

Being a committed and practising Internationalist, I'm no Scottish nationalist. But... since the beginning of the referendum 'debate', I've certainly been dismayed by the amount of casual racism, socially prejudiced comment and straightforward abuse coming from Unionists, even via mainstream media channels which I once trusted for even-handedness and objectivity.

Unionists need to understand that they will catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, for - at the moment - the tone of a great deal of their rhetoric is far more likely to result in the break up of the Union than will any pronouncements from the SNP. For instance, did anyone notice the Better Together campaign's "500 questions"? Better Together are suggesting that an independent Scotland would be too wee, too poor and too daft to answer these questions. That's not going to win them many converts - quite the reverse.

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Max Kieser said there would be a major bond crisis before April 2013 and we'd all be living in the stone age.

Sorry but Kieser is a fool. RT love him because he tears into this country. I agree what he says about the BOE, gold and the banks but the guy is so clearly anti-British.

Frankie Boyle is a vile chippy Scottish socialist. I have no time for him.

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Could someone clear a fact up for me.

If Scotland wanted to use the £ is there anything we could do to stop them?

Surely there's nothing stopping any country anywhere using whatever they want to denote how much something is worth.

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Why?

Independence should be true independence, because if it is done half heartedly and doesn't go well you will have each side blaming the other. Also if Scotland were to use the pound not only could they suffer from decisions made by the bank of England but their decisions could adversely affect what is left of the UK.

How so?

If Scotland don't become part of the Euro zone automatically then it causes problems if we still let people migrate across the border at will, it would enable a back door for non EU citizens into the EU.

Are any of these issues getting real debate in the MSM media, not that I can see. It is a very complicated issue.

As for the oil issue and it benefiting the UK after independence then I don't think that is going to happen, the SNP certainly aren't going to agree to it. Do we really think that the UK government at that point is going to consider Scotland favourably when it comes to monetary or any other policy.

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Max Kieser said there would be a major bond crisis before April 2013 and we'd all be living in the stone age.

Sorry but Kieser is a fool. RT love him because he tears into this country. I agree what he says about the BOE, gold and the banks but the guy is so clearly anti-British.

Frankie Boyle is a vile chippy Scottish socialist. I have no time for him.

If making an incorrect forecast on the exact timing of matters financial were enough to qualify as a fool then we would all be fools- Kieser made a documentary explaining in detail why Iceland would crash and burn nearly two years in advance- while virtually every other economist was happily claiming that the 'great moderation' had put an end to boom and bust for ever- so a fool he is not.

I don't think Kieser is anti british- he is just anti the banker/politician axis that rules the country.

I agree that RT give him space because he is going after western bankers but someone has to do it-right?-and I see precious little evidence that the old boy network in the london have any serious intention of dealing with the city mafia.

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Using the pound should be simple for Scotland. It already has two banks that are entitled to, and do, issue their own pound notes. Continuing to do that may be all that Scotland would need to do.

Scotland could alternatively issue it's own Poond that could tightly or loosely shadow the English Pound in much the same way some currencies (such as the UAE's) are locked to the US$. If at a later date Scotland wanted to break such a link, it could do so whenever it liked.

More interesting would be to see if Scotland is ever foolish enough to adopt the Euro (I doubt it would).

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Max is a great entertainer and knows very well that he has to resort to hyperbole to catch people's attention.

He does it very well, and the actual concepts are there behind it.In my valueless opinion, he's obviously NOT advocating for Scotland to adopt bitcoin, he's shouting at the central banks' habit of destroying currencies and politicians serving bankers.

I like him.

I used to like Frankie Boyle, but having followed him on twitter for a while, his media character is too gratuitously offensive. Not bad in this video, though.

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Max Kieser said there would be a major bond crisis before April 2013 and we'd all be living in the stone age.

Here we go...

Max Keiser : 99 Percent Probability Of A Systemic Collapse Before Next Apr

Max Keiser wrong, again

Someone asked on that thread...

Just out of interest an anyone post anything that keiser has been wrong about prediction wise?

I listed a few but it didn't seem to matter.

The combination of the stopped clocked effect with people's desire to only remember when their heroes seem to get things right is powerful. Keiser's Iceland film was spot on, pretty much everything else has been wrong, or ripped off from other commentators. He remains an entertaining carnival barker though.

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... and Tramadol Nights was the spirit of 'embarrassingly unfunny' made flesh.

Presumably, when Boyle comments about the IRA Brighton bombing in that Keiser video he is trying to pass off an endorsement of murder as a joke. The 'joke' is not funny impo which just leaves an endorsement of murder.

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He would have been wrong if he had said "100 Percent Probability Of A Systemic Collapse Before Next Apr".

So he was not technically wrong, but he was making a poor judgment, giving specific odds and giving a particular timescale.

But this criticism of Max does rather miss the point, if one takes his '99%' literally. I think he is probably right about there being a high risk of systemic collapse, and such a risk remains. Timescales, and the scale of any possible collapse are all rather moot points, but that is not the core issue.

It might be a bit like someone in 1925 predicitng a Wall Street crash in 1928, and then being called a fool because the crash finally occured in 1929, even though no-one else else predicted a crash at all. Who would be the real fools? The person who the date a bit wrong, or the people who failed to failed to anticipate the Wall Street crash at all?

Up to today, it is all a bit academic. There has not been systemic collapse. Yet. It might never happen. Is anyone sticking their neck out and saying it is 99% certain it will not happen?

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Up to today, it is all a bit academic. There has not been systemic collapse. Yet. It might never happen. Is anyone sticking their neck out and saying it is 99% certain it will not happen?

I would hazard to guess not many.

So, basically, Keiser's calling something that, in the long run, sooner or later, is probably inevitable. By the same token, he could equally, and just as usefully, appear on our screens babbling that we're all going to die.

Keiser's entertaining but he lacks the Oracle-like powers that some who link to him appear to believe. That'd be all I'm trying to say.

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So he was not technically wrong, but he was making a poor judgment, giving specific odds and giving a particular timescale.

PS I chose to use the expression 'Max Keiser wrong, again' because a fellow forum member who is keen on conspiranoids such as Keiser and David Icke occasionally uses the turn of phrase 'David Icke right, again' whenever a favourite stopped clock happens to tell the right time. I was just doing my little bit to deal with that particular confirmation bias problem.

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