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OK we have a windows 8 Acer laptop ( I dont like it but thats another story)

I downloaded office that I was assured was win 8 compatible. We had to do this via firefox as IE wasn't up to it.

Anyway we have had real problems with it ever since download and tonight have ditched it, its history.

My question is who is using windows 8 with microsoft office and what version etc are you using? Does it work? Did you get discs or a download

Cheers in advance

PF

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OK we have a windows 8 Acer laptop ( I dont like it but thats another story)

I downloaded office that I was assured was win 8 compatible. We had to do this via firefox as IE wasn't up to it.

Anyway we have had real problems with it ever since download and tonight have ditched it, its history.

My question is who is using windows 8 with microsoft office and what version etc are you using? Does it work? Did you get discs or a download

Cheers in advance

PF

I had early access to W8 and Office 2013, and still have a MSDN install. It did all work, though occasional bugs caused the odd crash, though my main worry was getting snow blindness off the "too white" interface.

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I recently set up a couple if Win8 laptops with some hideous version of Office that went to the internet almost every time you tried to open a document (it was 'streaming' the app, or some such nonsense). FFS, word processors have been around since I was getting erections about the bionic woman, what's the point in making things so complex? I guess it's to avoid the CD/DVD being copied around your mates, but not good for the customer?

In the end, we abandoned it and loaded Office2003 (which the customer sourced 2nd hand from the internet). With the 'compatibility pack' it works fine. Microsoft say this won't work, as far as we can make out Publisher doesn't work (he doesn't care) but Word, Excel seem fine.

Now he's had it working for a while he wants me to 'upgrade' the laptops back to Win7 :)

I may look at having it changed to Win 7 as this Win 8 really is garbage

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I recently set up a couple if Win8 laptops with some hideous version of Office that went to the internet almost every time you tried to open a document (it was 'streaming' the app, or some such nonsense). FFS, word processors have been around since I was getting erections about the bionic woman, what's the point in making things so complex? I guess it's to avoid the CD/DVD being copied around your mates, but not good for the customer?

In the end, we abandoned it and loaded Office2003 (which the customer sourced 2nd hand from the internet). With the 'compatibility pack' it works fine. Microsoft say this won't work, as far as we can make out Publisher doesn't work (he doesn't care) but Word, Excel seem fine.

Now he's had it working for a while he wants me to 'upgrade' the laptops back to Win7 :)

What does Office actually do that shouldn't be a free download by now? As buckers point out, word processing has been around for as long as computers themselves. Is Publisher included? I am still getting by with versions of Publisher and Works that I bought ten years ago and they seem perfectly adequate to me.

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What does Office actually do that shouldn't be a free download by now? As buckers point out, word processing has been around for as long as computers themselves. Is Publisher included? I am still getting by with versions of Publisher and Works that I bought ten years ago and they seem perfectly adequate to me.

I recently 'bought' (subscribed to) Office 365. There are numerous users/laptops in my household (including one at college) and you get 5 'licenses' (simultaneous installs), plus some extra skydrive space and Skype minutes for about 80 bucks/year.

I already had Office 2003 (which tbh I prefer to 2013's minimalist/snow-blindness design and awful productivity-inhibiting ribbon) but my wife had a hooky copy of 2007 (she considers 2003 'old fashioned' and besides, wants a version more similar to what she has to use for work) and was always worried about doing any updates in case that broke it. I still have 2003 installed alongside 2013 and apart from Outlook they seem to play reasonable well together - I still 'drop down' to 2003 for some tasks that the ribbon interface makes intolerable.

A further important factor was that I wanted OneNote for my wife as she is doing part-time study right now and I want her to have any tools that may make her life easier. I am also going to buy her a Surface Pro so that she can take notes directly into the Surface Pro/OneNote using the stylus - I know there will be a new/improved Surface Pro in a few months but I want her to have something right now for her course. OneNote really is an awesome bit of software and with SkyDrive syncrhonisation you can easily check your notes from any Windows/Android/iOS device (though taking notes on other devices is limited).

All-in-all the Office 365 subscription seems a fair deal in our circumstances, but for folk who just want a bit or word processing and to run a spreadsheet or two it is obviously overkill. There are Office web apps now which seem reasonable for when you don't have access to an installed version, I think they are free for everyone (obviously commercial restrictions will apply) and not just part of the Office 365 deal.

I didn't bother 'upgrading' to Win8 even when it was heavily discounted. I use a laptop that 99% of the time is docked to a large monitor, keyboard and mouse and I couldn't see any reason of going through the hassle - Win8 seems to deliver very little benefit for k/m users (some improvements to boot-time, copying files and the task manager) and while I haven't tried it, all the commentary on the replacement of the start menu also discourages. I use the start menu a lot for searching (tap the windows key, type the name of the app, document, contact, etc) and have few issues with how it works right now, so like I say, I decided the pros/cons didn't outweigh the time/hassle of an install.

While I don't see the point of an upgrade (and might even choose Win7 over Win8) on 'traditional' hardware I think MS might have played a blinder with Win8... stay with me here... If MS can polish it a bit (maybe a lot) so that the OS/UI will work effectively from phones, through tablets through laptops/desktops and up to living room TVs and work place projectors (via Kinect type technology) then they will be massively ahead of Apple and Google. I think there will always be a need for mouse/keyboard input on the desktop and it sounds like this needs to be addressed, but if this is done and if/when more laptops/desktops have touch-screens/leap/Kinect built in to them I can really imagine Win8 (or maybe 9 by then) bringing in something of a revolution in terms of how we use 'computers'. Imagine being able to use the same interface and gestures (sometimes on a screen, sometimes with your hands hovering just above your keyboard or in the air with a TV/projector) on all these types of devices and also having your 'services' (documents, notes, contacts, preferences) available and designed to work well on the size of screen available.

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I had early access to W8 and Office 2013, and still have a MSDN install. It did all work, though occasional bugs caused the odd crash, though my main worry was getting snow blindness off the "too white" interface.

You can change the colour scheme.

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What does Office actually do that shouldn't be a free download by now? As buckers point out, word processing has been around for as long as computers themselves. Is Publisher included? I am still getting by with versions of Publisher and Works that I bought ten years ago and they seem perfectly adequate to me.

I use OpenOffice. It used to be labelled as 'from Sun microsystems.' It's a free download (called Apache OpenOffice 3.4 these days) and I've been using it for over 4 years. It does everything that I need, using the spreadsheet function a lot. It gets updates regularly and files can be saved in Microsoft formats to send to others if required.

I don't know why anyone would buy a product when a good similar one is free.

Edit: I'm on Windows 7. I used a friend's laptop on Windows 8 recently, I didn't like it.

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I'm using Office 2010 with Windows 8 no problem.

Which was my worry.

I have just bought an upgrade for win 7 to go on my SSD when it arrives and have no intention of replacing office 2010.

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I use OpenOffice. It used to be labelled as 'from Sun microsystems.' It's a free download (called Apache OpenOffice 3.4 these days) and I've been using it for over 4 years. It does everything that I need, using the spreadsheet function a lot. It gets updates regularly and files can be saved in Microsoft formats to send to others if required.

I don't know why anyone would buy a product when a good similar one is free.

Edit: I'm on Windows 7. I used a friend's laptop on Windows 8 recently, I didn't like it.

Does this open windows office files ok and keep the formatting?

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Does this open windows office files ok and keep the formatting?

I frequently work with MS .xls and .doc files using Open Office, first time you save the file it gives a choice of saving in MS-compatible format or Open Office format. I've made quite complex changes to spreadsheet macros and word documents, my MS Office colleagues can still read them ok.

Open Office is a bit clunky and not as polished looking compared to the MS equivalent but you soon get used to it. And it's a price I'm willing to pay (actually it's free :) ) in order to run a linux box that has minimal chance of getting a virus if set up correctly.

Slightly off topic, was in PC Word last week, all new laptops were running Windows 8, it looks horrible and doesn't seem suited to a non-touch screen or a business environment. If you're looking at apps, facebook or twitter all day maybe it's ok. Maybe it's an age thing.

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Does this open windows office files ok and keep the formatting?

MS Office doesn't always open Office files OK and keep the formatting :rolleyes:

If all you need is a 'reader' and to be able to make relatively simple edits then also consider the free Office web apps. There were also 'starter' editions of Word and Excel 2010 pre-installed on my laptop (Samsung). Not sure if/where those are still available for download.

I must give OpenOffice and the like a try someday - but I've been using Office at an advanced level since v2 so it is just 'easier' to stick with what I know - even if it is a bu99er to find what I want in the ribbon system.

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Previous posts beat me to it, I did have one issue sending a file to someone, but you can export an Openoffice file as a pdf document as well.

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I recently set up a couple if Win8 laptops with some hideous version of Office that went to the internet almost every time you tried to open a document (it was 'streaming' the app, or some such nonsense). FFS, word processors have been around since I was getting erections about the bionic woman, what's the point in making things so complex? I guess it's to avoid the CD/DVD being copied around your mates, but not good for the customer?

In the end, we abandoned it and loaded Office2003 (which the customer sourced 2nd hand from the internet). With the 'compatibility pack' it works fine. Microsoft say this won't work, as far as we can make out Publisher doesn't work (he doesn't care) but Word, Excel seem fine.

Now he's had it working for a while he wants me to 'upgrade' the laptops back to Win7 :)

Office 2013 is cloud enabled...as is windows 8....or 7...or xp....or millenium..

Also, unless it is preinstalled, you get a licence using an MS account you create, so you can use your cloud based office wherever you are by using your MS account.

bloody awkward if you have had several Ms accounts and had to create new ones because you forgot how you set up the one before...A client had 4 such accounts, all with defunct emails, so getting Digital river to download was impossible....i used my own account.

This client is also out in the sticks...so it was a three hour download to get it going...

Point is, this client has no need whatsoever for the cloud....

W8 is still crap....notice MS are virtually forcing it on people...go into any PC shop and you wont see anything else...even the big OEMS are making it harder to get 7 too.

Me, I wont touch W8 till they make it as friendly for an office environment as my clients demand.

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Office 2013 is cloud enabled...as is windows 8....or 7...or xp....or millenium..

Also, unless it is preinstalled, you get a licence using an MS account you create, so you can use your cloud based office wherever you are by using your MS account.

bloody awkward if you have had several Ms accounts and had to create new ones because you forgot how you set up the one before...A client had 4 such accounts, all with defunct emails, so getting Digital river to download was impossible....i used my own account.

This client is also out in the sticks...so it was a three hour download to get it going...

Point is, this client has no need whatsoever for the cloud....

W8 is still crap....notice MS are virtually forcing it on people...go into any PC shop and you wont see anything else...even the big OEMS are making it harder to get 7 too.

Me, I wont touch W8 till they make it as friendly for an office environment as my clients demand.

Hi Bloo

So can you advise whats the best way to put MS Office onto a windows 8 64 bit laptop? and what version of office?

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Hi Bloo

So can you advise whats the best way to put MS Office onto a windows 8 64 bit laptop? and what version of office?

officially, 2003 and before doesnt work with W8

so buy Office 2013 and it goes on just fine.

If you buy the Pro versions of windows, specially 7 pro, they normally come with Office preinstalled waiting for the key.

with 365, you can buy subscriptions for the various office levels...I notice even the fully packed products they are downloads too.

Depends what products you want....home and student or home and business seem to suit most.

To be honest, Microsoft licensing is a tedius joke...I often have to call the specialist at the disti and often they dont know either, or, like this post, you get half an answer.

I expect w8 to be changed for the better in the next service pack.

here is a link for the versions http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/buy/compare-microsoft-office-products-subscription-plans-FX102898564.aspx

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I may look at having it changed to Win 7 as this Win 8 really is garbage

Even the "chair throwing" Mr Balmer is getting to realise this! :huh:

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I'm using Office 2010 without problems. I even like Windows 8 - stable and faster than 7 - although installing a Start button menu is essential.

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What does Office actually do that shouldn't be a free download by now?

Read and write recent versions of Office documents.

My work computer dual-boots Linux and Windows, and the only time I ever boot into Windows is to edit Word documents because Open Office screws up the company logo somehow when you then open the OO-edited file in Word, and then people complain.

Which is a colossal pain for me because I normally leave all my applications open in Linux for months between reboots and hate having to get them all configured right again after running Windows. Though a good argument for putting off actually writing any documentation.

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Read and write recent versions of Office documents.

My work computer dual-boots Linux and Windows, and the only time I ever boot into Windows is to edit Word documents because Open Office screws up the company logo somehow when you then open the OO-edited file in Word, and then people complain.

Which is a colossal pain for me because I normally leave all my applications open in Linux for months between reboots and hate having to get them all configured right again after running Windows. Though a good argument for putting off actually writing any documentation.

So Microsoft have somehow managed to garner a stranglehold on the protocols for the most common form of WP documents then? Well done to them in that case. It's no wonder they seek to milk the situation.

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I'm using Office 2010 without problems. I even like Windows 8 - stable and faster than 7 - although installing a Start button menu is essential.

7 is stable

xp is stable

whether 8 is faster is a matter of how the frack you can do any normal things without a proper menu, a simple view of the Computer world that isnt simply ICONS.

Not a dig at you of course, But which OS have you ever turned on then tried to work out how to drag and drop pictures from a backup into their new respective folders and its take 20 minutes to work out how to do it?

Then there is the lock screen, which used to have no indication whatsoever as to what to do next....I think they may have fixed that particular idiocy.

Yes, if they can give us the tried and tested Interface as a permanent option....with Metro another option to be turned off, then yes, Ill endorse it.

And office 2013 is as good as office is.

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7 is stable

xp is stable

whether 8 is faster is a matter of how the frack you can do any normal things without a proper menu, a simple view of the Computer world that isnt simply ICONS.

Not a dig at you of course, But which OS have you ever turned on then tried to work out how to drag and drop pictures from a backup into their new respective folders and its take 20 minutes to work out how to do it?

Then there is the lock screen, which used to have no indication whatsoever as to what to do next....I think they may have fixed that particular idiocy.

Yes, if they can give us the tried and tested Interface as a permanent option....with Metro another option to be turned off, then yes, Ill endorse it.

And office 2013 is as good as office is.

+1

Quite. M$ need to realise you cannot just fundmentally change the interface like that in one go just because they think they can turn the PC into a tablet.

I still use XP and 7. Both very stable. And very quick with a SSD hard drive.

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Excel has thousands of advanced mathematical functions, unfortunately quite a few of them give the wrong answers (mainly the statistical and financial add-ins.)

Open Office support a smaller set of functions but at least it gives mathematically correct results.

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Quite. M$ need to realise you cannot just fundmentally change the interface like that in one go just because they think they can turn the PC into a tablet.

I still use XP and 7. Both very stable. And very quick with a SSD hard drive.

Got the Surface Pro for my wife today and have been setting it up for her and having a play... First off, in reference to the original post, Office 2013 installed just fine from an Office 365 subscription.

The Surface Pro is a lovely bit of kit - heavier and thicker than 'pure' tablets but not overly given that it is a 'real' PC with a very usable detachable keyboard (the type cover) and pen input as well (which is very nice - pressure sensitive, eraser on one end, screen can detect the pointer from a few cm away).

But now onto Windows 8. This is the first time I have used it and wow does it take some getting used to. It is not intuitive at all and while there are only a few gestures to learn they are so obscure/hidden that it really leaves you scratching your head. Took me a while to figure that if you need a 'task list' you swipe in from the left, which normally switches you to the last used app, then drag the last used app back to the edge again. I did it by accident once and then spent several minutes trying to figure out how I did it. Also, if there are more apps open than will fit on the task list you don't appear to be able to scroll through them, you just get to choose between the last half dozen or so - I'm not sure if the others are still opened or if Metro auto-closes the last used app every time you open a new one once you have reached a certain limit.

Opening the Store left me confused for a few minutes as I tried to figure out how to search. Fortunately I'd read something about this a while back that I eventually recalled - you have to use the Search 'Charm'. Now this is seriously stupid of MS and I notice that other apps (e.g. Amazon) still give you a nice big search bar at the top of the app. If MS is pushing Metro on us so that it can make money from the Store (like the Apple App Store) then it might have been nice if they had made searching for apps a little less painful. The concept of going 'outside' the app (to the search charm) to carry out a search inside the app is just bonkers.

The desktop is basically the desktop but with less graphical flair and no start button. I'll see how my wife gets on with it, but if I were using Windows 8 I think I would install one of the Start menu replacements. Just did an experiment - I commonly use the Start menu to open applications I only use occasionally such as Notepad. Just tried it on Win8 by hitting the button for the search charm (there is a dedicated key on the keyboard) and typing 'notepad' and enter. I am currently in Metro IE typing this and the result was to change the tab I am working in to a Bing search for the word Notepad. Bizarrely I just did the same thing again but pressed the windows key (instead of the search charm key) and typing (which invokes search) and notepad opens up in desktop - the whole experience is just completely disjointed.

A month ago I picked up a Nexus 7 tablet which was my first experience with Android and I have to say that, comparing just the Metro side of things with Android I found Android quicker/easier to pick up. Some choices in Metro are just really odd - like if you want to check the time or battery state or wifi strength you have to swipe in from the right hand side of the screen... then look in the bottom left hand corner of the screen! What the hell - I want to see these things at a glance and I have my eye drawn to the battery or wifi signal if they change colour, not have to keep swiping and then looking in the wrong corner. I just tried it right now and discovered that a slightly too long swipe from the right in Metro IE moves you to the next tab... arrggghhhhhh!

I bought the Surface Pro so my wife could have a light, portable device on which she can use OneNote with a pen and for that purpose I am very pleased with it. I thought about things like a Galaxy Note but with Pro/OneNote she can have her scanned pdf handouts incorporated into her notes allowing her to annotate and search the content with no need to have a note-taking device as well as a PC with which you have to keep synching. As far as Windows 8 goes, my initial impression is that I see no use for it outside of special purpose devices like the Surface Pro. On traditional hardware it seems to offer little benefit and has many more frustrations over Windows 7. If you want a consumption device, an Android tablet seems to offer all you need in a more intuitive package.

I think the MS plan to have one UI consistent across all manner and sizes of devices and input methods is very bold, exciting and forward looking... but their execution of that plan in Windows 8 sucks balls.

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