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I knew Id seen this story before:

On the Enterprise, Spock finally resolves to violate Starfleet orders. He demonstrates the slight difference between the coordinates given them for beaming down Kirk to those beaming up the Osborne councilman. He orders McCoy and the others to remain aboard the Enterprise.

Spock then beams down to the original coordinates Kirk was transported to.

Hodin explains to Kirk how Osborne was once a paradise, and its atmosphere has always been germ-free. The lifespan increased and death became almost unknown. The birthrate continued to rise until Osborne became encased in a living mass, with no space to live in comfort. Hodin says sterilisation is impossible as their organs renew, and contraception is unthinkable because of their "love of life." Eventually, they decided to introduce mortal illness to Osborne, choosing Kirk as its source, and Odona as an inspirational model of self-sacrificial heroism. :ph34r:

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Immigrants are great because they never grow old.

How many stay for good vs how many stay for 5 years (pay tax), the bugger off?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme

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"A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves promising participants payment or services, primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, rather than supplying any real investment or sale of products or services to the public.[1][2]"

Assuming we are at level 9....to move to level 10 we only need 60 million working immigrants. Welcome to planet la la land.

If the pension schemes are not pyramid scams why we immigrants be need to prop them up ?

I've said for a while...expect compulsory personal pension scheme enrollment in the near future.....aka...100% tax.

Edited by TheCountOfNowhere

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How many stay for good vs how many stay for 5 years (pay tax), the bugger off?

Many I know have families (higher birth rate generally) and claim tax credits, like the UK population do, receiving more through that than the contribution made through income tax and NI. So even if they leave after 5 years (very unlikely in my experience with children) then not much has been contributed in terms of tax revenues. The additional costs for school places and NHS maternity costs, to name but two issues, are another factor.

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Immigrants are great because they never grow old.

However they are disproportionately likely to be young, educated, and paying in through taxes without taking out.

Aside from this looking obvious, there's even been academic research to prove it.

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OK - starting with the basic, an advanced economy like UK with the help of automation can produce enough food, cloth and housing (albeit at reduced size) for everyone.

The real issue is why should someone work hard but get a lot less in order to support the others. In the orient, they do so because the tax is private and those supported are families, and those support are often appreciated. Over here, the support is seen as God give right because they have (or maybe not) paid their NI in the past.

The unique strength of those who want to be supported is the ballot box, and those who are supporting have a unique capability of buying plane tickets.

I would love to see some stats as to how many people take up the £150k+ etc type of Visa as the regime is hardly attractive.

Of course, the multimillionaires love London but it is hard to extract money off them (other than a LVT) as even if they buy a Ferrari, it probably will be leased via Cayman and then Luxembourg in order to minimize VAT and other taxes.

How this turn out is however, unlikely to be fun.

Edited by easy2012

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Immigrants are great because they never grow old.

Some of the immigrants i see are already past retirement age and i suspect will be wanting a cash return soon.

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Inter-generational war or race war? Which is better?

It could end up being the same thing: old whites vs young browns and blacks - given the difference in the breeding rates.

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I knew Id seen this story before:

On the Enterprise, Spock finally resolves to violate Starfleet orders. He demonstrates the slight difference between the coordinates given them for beaming down Kirk to those beaming up the Osborne councilman. He orders McCoy and the others to remain aboard the Enterprise.

Spock then beams down to the original coordinates Kirk was transported to.

Hodin explains to Kirk how Osborne was once a paradise, and its atmosphere has always been germ-free. The lifespan increased and death became almost unknown. The birthrate continued to rise until Osborne became encased in a living mass, with no space to live in comfort. Hodin says sterilisation is impossible as their organs renew, and contraception is unthinkable because of their "love of life." Eventually, they decided to introduce mortal illness to Osborne, choosing Kirk as its source, and Odona as an inspirational model of self-sacrificial heroism. :ph34r:

Read somewhere once that it possible to get the whole population of the world standing on the isle of wight.

6 billion people, give them a generous 1m2 each. That would be a square 77.5km x 77.5km.

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Read somewhere once that it possible to get the whole population of the world standing on the isle of wight.

6 billion people, give them a generous 1m2 each. That would be a square 77.5km x 77.5km.

6 billion people, give them a generous 1m2 each new built flat. :P

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However they are disproportionately likely to be young, educated, and paying in through taxes without taking out.

Aside from this looking obvious, there's even been academic research to prove it.

Yes but the fundamental point that the author of the article misses is that fewer young people today = fewer old people in the future which means is isn't a bad thing. Importing more young people will just create a worse problem in a generations time.

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Immigrants are great because they never grow old.

Many of the immigrants who came here in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s and 1980s will be retiring at exactly the same time as all the boomers.

Maybe if people in politics and think tanks spent less time in London and more time in Leicester, Birmingham, Bradford etc they would realise that there are already quite a few grey hairs amongst the existing immigrant communities

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Yes but the fundamental point that the author of the article misses is that fewer young people today = fewer old people in the future which means is isn't a bad thing. Importing more young people will just create a worse problem in a generations time.

But it'll kick the can down the line (at the expense of making the problem even worse of course) - mission accomplished! :lol:

Edited by Sour Mash

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Read somewhere once that it possible to get the whole population of the world standing on the isle of wight.

6 billion people, give them a generous 1m2 each. That would be a square 77.5km x 77.5km.

Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner (1968) is a well-regarded treatment of the theme.

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> While some countries – including Norway – put national insurance payments from citizens aside into a fund that will be used to pay pensions in future

riiight, so when Norway's population consists of 30 million senile old folk and no kids who is going to wipe their bottoms with all that oil money? Oh yes, immigrants!

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Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner (1968) is a well-regarded treatment of the theme.

Of course, Harry Harrison's Make Room! is another well known treatment.

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Read somewhere once that it possible to get the whole population of the world standing on the isle of wight.

6 billion people, give them a generous 1m2 each. That would be a square 77.5km x 77.5km.

off topic, but the planet was G-I-D-E-O-N...the self censor changed it to planet Osborne.

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The Gov. & Corporations appear to be shooting themselves in the foot financially, by increasingly employing more immigrants.

So many immigrants send much of their money back to their mother country, living in Dickensian conditions, 3 to a room or caravan. Compared to the Uk workers they replaced, they consume very little, and are not eligible for credit .

On my occasional visit to a boot sale, i see many East Europeans annoying desperate stall holders by offering 50p or a pound for useful items. In boot seller circles, it has become a reason for not bothering to sell at a boot sale .

All this adds very little to Gov. tax coffers or corporate profits in comparison to employing Uk workers.

However, the deprivation of this money may hasten the collapse of the whole corrupt system.

Edited by Saving For a Space Ship

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The birth rate has been falling ever since mass immigration started. At the same time living costs have risen to the point where two earners are required for everyday expenses.

They can;t see the a couple of elephants in the room there and the consequences of their own policies.

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Yes but the fundamental point that the author of the article misses is that fewer young people today = fewer old people in the future which means is isn't a bad thing. Importing more young people will just create a worse problem in a generations time.

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I suppose when the immigrants retire we will need even more immigrants to support them. Then we will need even more again to support them. This is a brilliant.

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