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Dunstable has for years been a party town, years ago if you liked northern soul then the California was the place to be, that disappeared and is now a small housing estate. But the party town image carried on during the 80's at the Pink elephant (ok so it was just in Luton)

Last four years Dunstable town centre has been the place for "grown up teenagers" (as in anyone over 35) with the Nags Head and the Four Kings, being the place to be if you liked good music, both venues were packed.

The owners of the Four Kings have given up after four years. The Nags Head is now up for sale (turnover has been £15k a week).

http://www.kingsbt.co.uk/business_details.aspx?ref=41094

Is this a sign that the economy in commuter belt land is in trouble?

Do have to say I'm a bit shocked as I liked both venues

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Demographics?

Muslims dont drink. Not sure about Dunstable, but white population of Luton down from 65% in 2001 to 45% in 2011 - a 30,000 decrease. I would guess most pubs trade is primarily the White British demographic group, an increasingly rare species in Luton and Dunstable.

http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/LeadTableView.do?a=7&b=6275157&c=luton&d=13&e=15&g=6394327&i=1001x1003x1032x1004&o=362&m=0&r=1&s=1367534310931&enc=1&dsFamilyId=47

http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/LeadTableView.do?a=7&b=6275157&c=luton&d=13&e=62&g=6394327&i=1001x1003x1032x1004&o=362&m=0&r=1&s=1367534211774&enc=1&dsFamilyId=2477

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Muslims dont drink. Not sure about Dunstable, but white population of Luton down from 65% in 2001 to 45% in 2011 - a 30,000 decrease. I would guess most pubs trade is primarily the White British demographic group, an increasingly rare species in Luton and Dunstable.

I remember a great pool bar opened on Park Street. Good food, fair beers, great tables. At first they did great.

Then the Muslim lads heard about it. They'de turn up, buy a coke and make it last all night and hog all the tables from 6pm until closing time.

The staff couldn't move them on without being accused of being racist.

Needless to say, the place went bust.

The only reason Rileys has survived is because they whacked up the per-hour table charges.

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I remember a great pool bar opened on Park Street. Good food, fair beers, great tables. At first they did great.

Then the Muslim lads heard about it. They'de turn up, buy a coke and make it last all night and hog all the tables from 6pm until closing time.

The staff couldn't move them on without being accused of being racist.

Needless to say, the place went bust.

The only reason Rileys has survived is because they whacked up the per-hour table charges.

Huh???

If they are stupid enough to rely on alcohol for most of their profits rather than adapting to their clients then they deserve to go bust!

They should have charged more for using the pool tables, for the non alcoholic drinks and for the food!

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Huh???

If they are stupid enough to rely on alcohol for most of their profits rather than adapting to their clients then they deserve to go bust!

They should have charged more for using the pool tables, for the non alcoholic drinks and for the food!

Drink and food is a HUGE part of any entertainment business.

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Demographics?

Muslims dont drink. Not sure about Dunstable, but white population of Luton down from 65% in 2001 to 45% in 2011 - a 30,000 decrease. I would guess most pubs trade is primarily the White British demographic group, an increasingly rare species in Luton and Dunstable.

http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/LeadTableView.do?a=7&b=6275157&c=luton&d=13&e=15&g=6394327&i=1001x1003x1032x1004&o=362&m=0&r=1&s=1367534310931&enc=1&dsFamilyId=47

http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/LeadTableView.do?a=7&b=6275157&c=luton&d=13&e=62&g=6394327&i=1001x1003x1032x1004&o=362&m=0&r=1&s=1367534211774&enc=1&dsFamilyId=2477

At the risk of being slightly un-PC, the same thing applies to my home town (Blackburn), i.e. the growth in percentage of the Muslim population has had a detrimental impact on the "going out" trade.

.....but there is another factor, the baby boom of the sixties meant that there were loads of "going out types" in the eighties. These same people will now be in their forties/fifties and have simply lost interested in going out on a Friday night and getting whammed.

In the eighties, Friday night in Blackburn was more like New Year's Eve!

I noticed the biggest effect just post millennium when the town centre social scene just seemed to drop off a cliff.

Edited by Bootsox

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This is a generational issue I think, young people, the teens to 20's crowd just do not have the disposable income available to pay the prices now demanded by pubs and other venues for entertainment, then there are the excessive costs in travel, motoring costs especially with insurance for young drivers being unaffordable to the vast majority..

Also,the impact of the Internet on socialising and its use by these generations to organize meet ups and parties means they don't have to go to pubs to plan the weekend over a pint, I remember this as a big focus point for teenagers when I was one of them, now they use social media as a virtual meeting place.

I remember Dunstable had a massive rock scene in the late 80'sand early 90's, I used to party there alot.

Times are just moving on.

Edited by JustAnotherProle

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must add that the opening of a new shopping centre has led to loads of boarded up shops all over town which gives leicester a run down feeling these days.

naturally,the council have whacked up parking charges as the town has emptied to maintain revenue.

Don't worry, you are not alone. This seems like a nationally orchestrated campaign.

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think you're right about internet dating.used to be the only way to meet the opposite sex was going out,but now,internet dating is not considered weird any more.

Yep, people under estimate the impact of the internet on socialising, particularly dating as you mentioned, the whole stigma of weird unsociable geeks who never leave the PC to find partners that the media used to love trotting out are over,I bet we all know at least 3 or 4 couples who met via online dating, long gone are the days of pulling in the pub! ;)

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This is a generational issue I think, young people, the teens to 20's crowd just do not have the disposable income available to pay the prices now demanded by pubs and other venues for entertainment, then there are the excessive costs in travel, motoring costs especially with insurance for young drivers being unaffordable to the vast majority..

Also,the impact of the Internet on socialising and its use by these generations to organize meet ups and parties means they don't have to go to pubs to plan the weekend over a pint, I remember this as a big focus point for teenagers when I was one of them, now they use social media as a virtual meeting place.

I remember Dunstable had a massive rock scene in the late 80'sand early 90's, I used to party there alot.

Times are just moving on.

When an illegal rave could draw tens of thousands in the late 80s and 90s there really wasn't that much else truly exciting for young people to do. Authoritarian government, high youth unemployment, dull as hell provincial towns. Acid house would have been like every christmas coming early.

Now 'fondly remembered' venues are closed or closing and it's chav 3 for 2 Jaegerbomb chain pubs and clubs. If I was 18-25 I'd sooner stay home and fiddle with my smartphone to be honest.

Live music's more my thing but the good new music seems so small scale and underground now - in the early to mid 90s a good alternative act was a big draw.

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leicester partied on until 2007.since the recession began,the city centre has jsut died off.shops shutting and fri/sat nights mainly under 25.

spoke to a cabbie the other day and he was telling me that before it went pop,he'd be fetching people in from surrounding towns like Market Harborough,Melton,Coalville etc and then ferrying them back after the close.Siad those days are long gone.Says he virtually never gets a fare from those towns any more.

have to add..around my bit of the city,pubs have shut that managed to get through two world wars and a great depression.whatever the GDP figures say,things are bad out there.

I remember going out in Peterborough several years ago and getting a taxi back to a friends house. I asked the cabbie, Muhammad who was of South Asian origin how business was and he said 'slow, always slow these days. The problem is that too many p@ki's now live in Peterborough and they stay in every night' :lol:

For once I was lost for words...

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I remember going out in Peterborough several years ago and getting a taxi back to a friends house. I asked the cabbie, Muhammad who was of South Asian origin how business was and he said 'slow, always slow these days. The problem is that too many p@ki's now live in Peterborough and they stay in every night' :lol:

For once I was lost for words...

There seem to be two Peterboroughs nowadays

Peterborough, Pakistan, and Peterborough, Lithuania.

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Demographics?

Muslims dont drink. Not sure about Dunstable, but white population of Luton down from 65% in 2001 to 45% in 2011 - a 30,000 decrease. I would guess most pubs trade is primarily the White British demographic group, an increasingly rare species in Luton and Dunstable.

2021 - 15-20%

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it's not jsut the young that don't have the disposable any more.when I was last out regularly-pre ickle zanu bob-you'd see all age groups out in town in relatively even numbers,especially the rugby/football clubs that would all come out en masse.Now it's jsut empty except for the under 25's that can afford to go out.

think you're right about internet dating.used to be the only way to meet the opposite sex was going out,but now,internet dating is not considered weird any more.

In the early days of Internet dating/yahoo messaging etc a young fella I worked with at the time went on a blind date. We were both thinking she might be a bit rough, but next day he said she's a right cracker and definetely seeing her again. I thought yeah right. A week or so later I saw them together - yep was an absolute corker, stunning.

with beer so cheap in supermarkets now at 60p a pint sometimes, loads must be drinking at home/around mates homes.

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I remember a great pool bar opened on Park Street. Good food, fair beers, great tables. At first they did great.

Then the Muslim lads heard about it. They'de turn up, buy a coke and make it last all night and hog all the tables from 6pm until closing time.

The staff couldn't move them on without being accused of being racist.

Needless to say, the place went bust.

The only reason Rileys has survived is because they whacked up the per-hour table charges.

So - business that fails to profitably meet customer requirements goes bust.

If your client base is teetotal then I guess a business model that depends on selling booze is a bit hopeless really. Obviously the surviving place recognised this and is no doubt thriving.

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Dunstable in general is dying a slow death there is hardly any shops of note left.Luton is no better for night life I remember queing to get into clubs in the early 2000's now you can walk straight in Fridays or Saturdays.Even with a UNI in the town the night life has nose dived can only think its price of going out pricing people out.

But hey maybe Dunstable will rise again when they finish the £85million busway from Luton ...............................

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But hey maybe Dunstable will rise again when they finish the £85million busway from Luton ...............................

Just in time for 11a to open, no-one will ever need to go to dunstable ever again.

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The only good thing about Dunstable is that it's not Luton...

Houghton regis apparently combines the unique beauty of Luton and Dunstable.

Anyway, maybe another aspect of the deadness is people being sucked into MK. I heard from a Northampton friend most people in Northampton now go to MK for a night out, I guess L+D is a similar distance from MK as northampton is.

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Quite a lot of the nicest city centre pubs in Norwich are up for lease like the Eagle and the Cellar house and few in the Golden triangle.

Its quite obvious why the takings are down and the rents are silly.

I have asked if they want to sell the freeholds but no.

Take out the middle man and these places are still ok.

They should be owner/family run so in hard times they just run a tighter ship but as is the story with shops they have a landlord to pay so they just go under.

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