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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/04/12/uk-britain-thatcher-coal-idUKLNE93B00G20130412

In an old-fashioned social club near what was once one of Britain's richest coal seams, former miners played cards and toasted the death of their hated old foe, Margaret Thatcher.

The past looks down solemnly from the walls: a framed list of the names of men who died underground hangs near a flag of the shuttered colliery that once employed 6,000.

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Still, there are signs of a new economic future taking hold. Up the road from the social club, Richard Meads, 34, runs CrazyHorse Creative, a graphic design agency he co-founded last year, which sets up Web sites for nearby engineering firms.

"It's a nice vibrant space to work in. It's modern and inspiring," he said of the Barnsley Digital Media Centre, an office building opened in 2007 by the local authorities to attract high-tech start-ups.

"It's growing all the time, and there's lots of other business to mingle with and a lot of opportunities for collaboration work."

Victorian cottages, once home to generations of mining families, have been torn down. But new houses, ranging from starter homes to five bedroom properties, have been built.

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After the strike collapsed, the coal industry was not merely cut back, it was wiped out. When Thatcher took office Britain had nearly a quarter of a million coal miners. When she left, there were barely 50,000. Today only a few thousand remain.

In Barnsley alone, more than 16,000 mining jobs were lost in the decade following 1984, reducing mining from nearly a quarter of all jobs to zero. The number of people with any job remains below the level of nearly 30 years ago.

Like her constituents, local councillor Burgess has no kind words for Thatcher.

"I don't think it's possible to forget the devastation in Barnsley that was caused by Margaret Thatcher's policies and how she put those in practice. The loss of jobs, the loss of livelihood, the loss of a sense of community and family can't be forgotten. It cannot be forgotten."

Still, when she talks of the local government's efforts to lure in investment, Burgess puts her emphasis firmly on the private sector.

"What we have got now is an enormous focus on developing an enterprise culture in Barnsley, and a culture where people want to start up businesses, where we support existing businesses and where we encourage inward investment."

Whatever the people of Grimethorpe and Barnsley may say about Margaret Thatcher, some of them are speaking her language.

An interesting article, although it appears that even after 30 years the local area still hasn't fully recovered. However the recovery isn't down to the older generation but the newer one coming through, which leaves the awkward question of what do you do when you remove all the jobs in a single area?

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An interesting article, although it appears that even after 30 years the local area still hasn't fully recovered. However the recovery isn't down to the older generation but the newer one coming through, which leaves the awkward question of what do you do when you remove all the jobs in a single area?

Wot 'Crony' Capitalism that our beloved leaders have forced onto the population.

Any taxes the ex-miners pay supporting Socialist-Capitalist banker bonuses in The City And Nationwide Socialist-Capitalist Big Business Private, Masonic lead Companies fattening their profits with free/subsidised labour (at Least 150 chains and Charities) sucking Billions at the subsidy Teat of the UK taxpayer..

Next Boss just gave a small percentage of his Bonus Billions windfall back as a hoooge con trick

He keeps the vast majority of employees stuck on 15hr contracts to avoid Ni and other commitments to his thousands of employees, subsidised by rent rebate benefits and Credits paid for by Taxpayers

Who are the real LEFTIES today? They Don't fool me..

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Ok I'll bite.

During the talk of thatchers legacy we had the expected visits to pubs in dead towns that used to thrive due to mining. Ex miners sat there whining into their beers about how their current circumstance was all the thought of thatcher. They deserved some sympathy. 20 odd years ago. I'll say that again. More than 20 years ago. Now regardless of how accurate their claims are that she was responsible for that, or if it was actually unsustainable, blah blah, regardless of that, what the hell are these idiots doing still sat there whining?

'thatcher' gives them a word to say instead of laziness when people ask them why they aren't working anymore. Anyone who can't retrain or move or find something better to do than still be idle blaming someone else for their woes over 20 years later is pathetic.

I watched these people sat in the same pub 20+ years later and it was a pathetic sight. They are sat the today because of themselves. Pathetic.

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An interesting article, although it appears that even after 30 years the local area still hasn't fully recovered. However the recovery isn't down to the older generation but the newer one coming through, which leaves the awkward question of what do you do when you remove all the jobs in a single area?

I bet the price of commercial property locally is still scandalous and requires the risking of a three years lease.

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Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher. She increased manufacturing output.

The preceding and following Labour governments closed more miles, and saw more manufacturing jobs go than she did.

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Ok I'll bite.

During the talk of thatchers legacy we had the expected visits to pubs in dead towns that used to thrive due to mining. Ex miners sat there whining into their beers about how their current circumstance was all the thought of thatcher. They deserved some sympathy. 20 odd years ago. I'll say that again. More than 20 years ago. Now regardless of how accurate their claims are that she was responsible for that, or if it was actually unsustainable, blah blah, regardless of that, what the hell are these idiots doing still sat there whining?

'thatcher' gives them a word to say instead of laziness when people ask them why they aren't working anymore. Anyone who can't retrain or move or find something better to do than still be idle blaming someone else for their woes over 20 years later is pathetic.

I watched these people sat in the same pub 20+ years later and it was a pathetic sight. They are sat the today because of themselves. Pathetic.

I wholeheartedly agree. But some people are natural victims it seems. Maybe Thatcher, being a natural bully, sensed this and that's why she chose them in particular to have it out with.

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Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher. She increased manufacturing output.

The preceding and following Labour governments closed more miles, and saw more manufacturing jobs go than she did.

Thatcher and her cons 'bought off' the electorate to get elected 3 times.

With council house sell offs, Utilities and Gas/oil revenues they just threw Billions at any problem that cropped up including putting largest amount of people out of work since great Depression (with no industry/jobs to replace hundreds of totally wrecked areas around the country)

Meanwhile the Elites and their Big Businesses swooped in to corrupt capitalism wholly in their favour whilst they dis-engaged wage rises from productivity rises and stole/offshored the wealth gains.

The corrupted faux democracy and Political leaders we have today and Big Business/Bankers subsidised by Tax Payer cash to enrich a few elites is the corrupted mess we are subjected to today

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I wholeheartedly agree. But some people are natural victims it seems. Maybe Thatcher, being a natural bully, sensed this and that's why she chose them in particular to have it out with.

The miners were badly lead and let down by the power station workers who were paid off by Thatcher. Whether it was Thatcher or Wilson we are left without a mining industry in a country rich in coal (3196 million tons).....the major players in the world have natural resources...they don't rely on financial services and shops.

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The miners were badly lead and let down by the power station workers who were paid off by Thatcher. Whether it was Thatcher or Wilson we are left without a mining industry in a country rich in coal (3196 million tons).....the major players in the world have natural resources...they don't rely on financial services and shops.

and Poundshops at that :lol:

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The miners were badly lead and let down by the power station workers who were paid off by Thatcher. Whether it was Thatcher or Wilson we are left without a mining industry in a country rich in coal (3196 million tons).....the major players in the world have natural resources...they don't rely on financial services and shops.

I'm not the party political type but I do know that there is now coal coming down from Weardale in trains, I see them sometimes when I am out walking the dog. This has only started since the change of government. Under Labour the north-east was seen as nothing more than a collective of safe seats.

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The miners were badly lead and let down by the power station workers who were paid off by Thatcher. Whether it was Thatcher or Wilson we are left without a mining industry in a country rich in coal (3196 million tons).....the major players in the world have natural resources...they don't rely on financial services and shops.

We have lots of coal but its not economic to mine it. People forget that the unions resisted the introduction of new technology that would have kept the mines open, the only thing at risk was their power.

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Ok I'll bite.

During the talk of thatchers legacy we had the expected visits to pubs in dead towns that used to thrive due to mining. Ex miners sat there whining into their beers about how their current circumstance was all the thought of thatcher. They deserved some sympathy. 20 odd years ago. I'll say that again. More than 20 years ago. Now regardless of how accurate their claims are that she was responsible for that, or if it was actually unsustainable, blah blah, regardless of that, what the hell are these idiots doing still sat there whining?

'thatcher' gives them a word to say instead of laziness when people ask them why they aren't working anymore. Anyone who can't retrain or move or find something better to do than still be idle blaming someone else for their woes over 20 years later is pathetic.

I watched these people sat in the same pub 20+ years later and it was a pathetic sight. They are sat the today because of themselves. Pathetic.

Yep, I don`t know what is more of a farce, the establishment/bbc desperation for the country to honour her 23 years after she was chased out of downing st. by her own party, or people who lost their job nearly thirty years ago still banging on about her. The idiots shouting abuse at a coffin as it goes past are another case, many on special meds perhaps?

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We have lots of coal but its not economic to mine it. People forget that the unions resisted the introduction of new technology that would have kept the mines open, the only thing at risk was their power.

Agree the way forward is technology....I do not agree that its not economic compared to nuclear power or renewable...plus we have a balance of payments deficit and we are encouraging imports of coal.

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The miners were badly lead and let down by the power station workers who were paid off by Thatcher. Whether it was Thatcher or Wilson we are left without a mining industry in a country rich in coal (3196 million tons).....the major players in the world have natural resources...they don't rely on financial services and shops.

Arthur Scargill's leadership of the NUM and seemingly his desire to bring down Thatcher is often forgotten part of the miners strike.

Perhaps Thatcher's government should have had plans to rejuvenate the areas where mines shut but you've only got to look at the Welsh Development Agency to see how badly that can all go.

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Anyone would think that Maggie had a personal downer on the miners.

What she wanted was an industry, that was safe and economical....Scargill and his band of hangers on used the miners to try and achieve political objectives...they were really as bad as having commies in the cabinet...

It seemed to me at the time that Scargill had a "frack you pay me" attitude...and boy...did he live the high life.

At some point a strong leader will clash with these types....

Today...our leaders send in the chequebook.

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Arthur Scargill's leadership of the NUM and seemingly his desire to bring down Thatcher is often forgotten part of the miners strike.

Perhaps Thatcher's government should have had plans to rejuvenate the areas where mines shut but you've only got to look at the Welsh Development Agency to see how badly that can all go.

I have read somewhere that One North East would have created more jobs for the same funding if they had just paid people £20K/year to dig holes and then fill them in again.

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Thatcher and her cons 'bought off' the electorate to get elected 3 times.

With council house sell offs, Utilities and Gas/oil revenues they just threw Billions at any problem that cropped up including putting largest amount of people out of work since great Depression (with no industry/jobs to replace hundreds of totally wrecked areas around the country)

Meanwhile the Elites and their Big Businesses swooped in to corrupt capitalism wholly in their favour whilst they dis-engaged wage rises from productivity rises and stole/offshored the wealth gains.

The corrupted faux democracy and Political leaders we have today and Big Business/Bankers subsidised by Tax Payer cash to enrich a few elites is the corrupted mess we are subjected to today

Is it the Jews fault again?

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Arthur Scargill's leadership of the NUM and seemingly his desire to bring down Thatcher is often forgotten part of the miners strike.

Perhaps Thatcher's government should have had plans to rejuvenate the areas where mines shut but you've only got to look at the Welsh Development Agency to see how badly that can all go.

What do you mean? Bureaucrats aren't amazing at picking winners? How can this be?

Who else is going to supervise the distribution of the magical Keynesian elixir that will power us back to permanent growth?

They were our last hope!

Another Govt winner!!

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What do you mean? Bureaucrats aren't amazing at picking winners? How can this be?

Who else is going to supervise the distribution of the magical Keynesian elixir that will power us back to permanent growth?

They were our last hope!

Another Govt winner!!

Loads of their management layers were outed in last couple of yrs for retiring at 50/55 with Million pound + pension payoffs

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Bloody Unions, it's all their fault. If only bosses could adequately police themselves so the Unions wouldn't have been ever required in the first place.

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Problem is these people have an attitude problem. There was a good documentary on BBC a few months back about the docks, and how the dockers in East London and Liverpool basically sealed their own fate through not accepting any kind of change whatsoever. Meanwhile, the ports of Felixstowe and Harwich boomed as these rural areas didnt seem so afflicted by the urban small minded, almost ludddite like attitude that prevailed in the 60s/70s/80s.

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Bloody Unions, it's all their fault. If only bosses could adequately police themselves so the Unions wouldn't have been ever required in the first place.

Exactly

Fekk contributing anything back into the society Directors abuse (paying decreasing wages)

- whilst watching their personal wealth soar 5x to all time highs in a recession

Lets all tax avoid, outsource and offshore everything

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