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http://www.scotsman.com/news/joyce-mcmillan-myth-of-undeserving-poor-revisited-1-2878384

Let us now praise famous women: or one not-so-famous woman, in the shape of Helen Goodman, Labour MP for Bishop Auckland.

For during the last parliamentary recess, while other MPs went skiing, Helen Goodman decided to have a go at living on the “generous” state benefits provided to typical women of her own age – Helen is 55 – who are either unemployed, or have had to give up work through ill health.

After setting aside small sums to cover energy bills, water rates and the new “bedroom tax”, Helen had £18 a week left for food.

After seven days of trying to survive on this, she found herself exhausted, cold, hungry, waking up ravenous during the night, and unable to imagine how anyone living on such a diet could possibly work up the energy to even look for a job in the current tough market, never mind also working 30 hours a week, unpaid, on “job experience”.

There you have it ladies and gentlemen - MP declares it unsustainable to survive on welfare. Of course that won't stop the middle Englanders complaining that benefits are too luxurious, or not realising that the "bedroom tax" requires children to share rooms until the age of 10 or 16. I suggest they try doing it themselves to understand the reality of the situation, but I hazard a guess that they'll prefer the status quo.

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http://www.scotsman.com/news/joyce-mcmillan-myth-of-undeserving-poor-revisited-1-2878384

There you have it ladies and gentlemen - MP declares it unsustainable to survive on welfare. Of course that won't stop the middle Englanders complaining that benefits are too luxurious, or not realising that the "bedroom tax" requires children to share rooms until the age of 10 or 16. I suggest they try doing it themselves to understand the reality of the situation, but I hazard a guess that they'll prefer the status quo.

now try it for 6 months.

she's had the janet+john version,now she needs to progress onto slightly harder reading.

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The story lacks credibility without the numbers? How much did she have at the start of the week? Why is she paying bedroom tax? Where's the breakdown of expenditure rather than silly statements like "small sums"? It was only a week and she claims not to have been able to buy much - so just give us a list of spend.

By omitting the detail it's hard to make a proper judgment and we suspicious types begin to think it's deliberate in order to hide something. :ph34r:

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The story lacks credibility without the numbers? How much did she have at the start of the week? Why is she paying bedroom tax? Where's the breakdown of expenditure rather than silly statements like "small sums"? It was only a week and she claims not to have been able to buy much - so just give us a list of spend.

By omitting the detail it's hard to make a proper judgment and we suspicious types begin to think it's deliberate in order to hide something. :ph34r:

www.youtube.com/user/HelenGoodmanMP

She discussed it in more detail there. It's based on this example:

"The woman who wrote to the Bishop Auckland MP is about to lose £9.24 a week of her £71.70 housing benefit.

Of the remaining £62.46, £16 is swallowed up by electricity and water bills, £19.50 goes on coal for heating, £5.25 on household essentials and bus fares are £4 – leaving only £17.71 for food."

JSA is £67.50 for that age, so that would be presumably allocated to rent which isn't mentioned there.

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http://www.scotsman.com/news/joyce-mcmillan-myth-of-undeserving-poor-revisited-1-2878384

There you have it ladies and gentlemen - MP declares it unsustainable to survive on welfare. Of course that won't stop the middle Englanders complaining that benefits are too luxurious, or not realising that the "bedroom tax" requires children to share rooms until the age of 10 or 16. I suggest they try doing it themselves to understand the reality of the situation, but I hazard a guess that they'll prefer the status quo.

"Champagne Socialist couldn't work out how to plan her meals without a restaurant" hardly makes for the conclusion drawn here.

Did you see the video series where she explained it all? Basically a made-up figure (£18 for food for a week, ignoring that ONS say average spend is £23 so same ballpark), appalling spending, completely non-existent meal planning, whinged that she had to eat sandwiches for lunch three times, and wound up staring at a turnip asking "What's this?"

She hasn't a clue about life.

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"Champagne Socialist couldn't work out how to plan her meals without a restaurant" hardly makes for the conclusion drawn here.

I doubt IDS would do much better. His clothing and shoes alone exceed my net worth, from what I see in the MSM.

Basically a made-up figure (£18 for food for a week, ignoring that ONS say average spend is £23 so same ballpark), appalling spending, completely non-existent meal planning, whinged that she had to eat sandwiches for lunch three times, and wound up staring at a turnip asking "What's this?"

I gave you the breakdown (in my second post in this thread) that it was based off of. Please show me your plan for £2.59 a day on food though, I'd be interested to see it.

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www.youtube.com/user/HelenGoodmanMP

She discussed it in more detail there. It's based on this example:

"The woman who wrote to the Bishop Auckland MP is about to lose £9.24 a week of her £71.70 housing benefit.

Of the remaining £62.46, £16 is swallowed up by electricity and water bills, £19.50 goes on coal for heating, £5.25 on household essentials and bus fares are £4 – leaving only £17.71 for food."

JSA is £67.50 for that age, so that would be presumably allocated to rent which isn't mentioned there.

Thanks for that. Yes, some confusion on housing benefit and other benefits. Following the link it says:

The figure of £18 a week is based on a case study in Bishop Auckland of a women living on Employment Support Allowance. Her £66 a week rent is paid by Housing Benefit. In April, her benefit will go up to £71.70. Out of that she pays £10 a week for electricity and £6 a week for water rates. She uses coal for heating (like many in Bishop Auckland) and three bags of coal will cost her £19.50 a week. Her bus fare is £4 a week (she lives in a village with no shop) and her bedroom tax will be £9.24 a week. This leaves her with £22.96 per week.

Additional non-food costs would include:

Washing powder. £1

Toothpaste 15p

Toothbrush 10p

Sanitary / shaving products 40p

Washing up liquid 5p

Bin bags 10p

Bleach 40p

Cleaning products 50p

Deodorant 25p

Shampoo 40p

Foil/cling film 10p

Saving for shoes, clothing, household items £2

Subtotal: £5.25

Leaving a remaining budget of £17.71 for food.

NB: This leaves no money for TV licence (£3.25pw) or phone/broadband (£5pw)

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http://www.scotsman.com/news/joyce-mcmillan-myth-of-undeserving-poor-revisited-1-2878384

There you have it ladies and gentlemen - MP declares it unsustainable to survive on welfare. Of course that won't stop the middle Englanders complaining that benefits are too luxurious, or not realising that the "bedroom tax" requires children to share rooms until the age of 10 or 16. I suggest they try doing it themselves to understand the reality of the situation, but I hazard a guess that they'll prefer the status quo.

We should have a reality TV show during summer recess in which the entirety of the house of parliament move into a big tower block on basic benefits.

They would not be able to leave the estate except to go to the local Lidl and would be forbidden from associating in groups of more than 4 except in the adjoining skate-park.

Challenges around the estate (mostly involving skate park activities) would generate small amounts of champagne and minor edible delicacies plus the right for the winners to sit in a big chair and address the nation for 10 minutes.

Then we would all vote for who we like best.

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I doubt IDS would do much better. His clothing and shoes alone exceed my net worth, from what I see in the MSM.

I gave you the breakdown (in my second post in this thread) that it was based off of. Please show me your plan for £2.59 a day on food though, I'd be interested to see it.

You appear to have misunderstood, I didn't need your breakdown, I watched in open-mouthed amazement as she messed up live.

£2.59 a day? Substantially more than I spend, but ok, I might be able to get it up that high, let's try.

Start with a big breakfast, 20 scotch pancakes. That's 20p. If you're greedy and cover them in jam, 29p for an entire basics jar. Add 14p for a 200ml glass of juice.

For lunch, have spicy hummus on herby flat bread with a tomato and lettuce salad, that goes 70p

Dinner, onion tarte 42p, with apple pie at 50p to round it off.

Bugger, I'm 55p under. Better add potatoes to the tarte. Add cream to the apple pie, that might just bring it up if you're drinking enough to go looking for a heart attack.

BTW, that's enough food for at least two people, (or two days for one person) (and in addition to being a tall guy, I cycle 40 miles a day, which I'm guessing she wasn't doing), so spending £2.59 on a day's food but the next day would be 0.

My receipt this week was £11.07, and you might have noticed in addition to being delicious & filling, that diet had at least 5 fruit & veg (your lettuce may vary, my apple pie has 3 apples in, so if you're splitting it that's slightly more than 1 per person).

Costs can be brought down further by growing on your window ledge.

Her video series on how much money she normally throws away was offensive.

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You appear to have misunderstood, I didn't need your breakdown, I watched in open-mouthed amazement as she messed up live.

£2.59 a day? Substantially more than I spend, but ok, I might be able to get it up that high, let's try.

Start with a big breakfast, 20 scotch pancakes. That's 20p. If you're greedy and cover them in jam, 29p for an entire basics jar. Add 14p for a 200ml glass of juice.

For lunch, have spicy hummus on herby flat bread with a tomato and lettuce salad, that goes 70p

Dinner, onion tarte 42p, with apple pie at 50p to round it off.

Bugger, I'm 55p under. Better add potatoes to the tarte. Add cream to the apple pie, that might just bring it up if you're drinking enough to go looking for a heart attack.

BTW, that's enough food for at least two people, (or two days for one person) (and in addition to being a tall guy, I cycle 40 miles a day, which I'm guessing she wasn't doing), so spending £2.59 on a day's food but the next day would be 0.

My receipt this week was £11.07, and you might have noticed in addition to being delicious & filling, that diet had at least 5 fruit & veg (your lettuce may vary, my apple pie has 3 apples in, so if you're splitting it that's slightly more than 1 per person).

Costs can be brought down further by growing on your window ledge.

Her video series on how much money she normally throws away was offensive.

Upon first glance I can't match those prices. Care to PM me with how you reached those numbers? I'm interested in the nutritional breakdown as well.

While we're discussing numbers... I take it you would be able to fit everything else into £36 a week? (this is excluding your food total, and the portion of market rent and council tax not covered by their corresponding benefits, thus removed from JSA instead)

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Upon first glance I can't match those prices. Care to PM me with how you reached those numbers? I'm interested in the nutritional breakdown as well.

While we're discussing numbers... I take it you would be able to fit everything else into £36 a week? (this is excluding your food total, and the portion of market rent and council tax not covered by their corresponding benefits, thus removed from JSA instead)

Flour 1500g 65p

Milk 400g (condensed) 101p

juice 1 lt 65p

Chick peas (400g) 37p

tomatoes (6-8) 81p

1 onion 16p

18 eggs £2.10

1kg of sugar 89p

All from Sainsburys. Other costs are either nominal (lettuce grown on window ledge - entire setup about £6 for non-stop supply) or estimates (I get apples free, cost to me of the pie thus about 25p, modify as needed)

I have no idea what level benefits are set at or what I'd qualify for as my situation isn't anywhere near them (and when historically it has been, it didn't occur to me that asking other people to pay for things was a viable option - unemployed for a year and never signed on for anything), so I can't answer the second half. I make no comment about the levels they're set at, I only know that when it comes to food, £18 is far more than enough to eat very well for a week.

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We should have a reality TV show during summer recess in which the entirety of the house of parliament move into a big tower block on basic benefits.

They would not be able to leave the estate except to go to the local Lidl and would be forbidden from associating in groups of more than 4 except in the adjoining skate-park.

Challenges around the estate (mostly involving skate park activities) would generate small amounts of champagne and minor edible delicacies plus the right for the winners to sit in a big chair and address the nation for 10 minutes.

Then we would all vote for who we like best.

Or, each week you could vote one of them out until there's just one left. They become absolute monarch for a year.

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@bristolhunter

Well I don't get free apples as I live in an apartment, and I don't make the kind of money to sit on savings for a year, so perhaps we are so far removed from common ground that it is pointless to continue the welfare discussion. I appreciate your input on the food question though.

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Well I don't get free apples as I live in an apartment, and I don't make the kind of money to sit on savings for a year, so perhaps we are so far removed from common ground that it is pointless to continue the welfare discussion. I appreciate your input on the food question though.

I also live in an apartment, free fruit is just about the only perk at some meetings. And I didn't have enough to sit on savings for a year; I got off my ****, collapsed my living costs (hence knowing how little food costs), volunteered, ultimately left my flat, moved across the country, finally got a job 10 months later, by which point I was in about £2k of debt. Nevertheless, going to the state with a begging bowl simply wasn't an option I thought of - had I been faced with the streets I'm sure I would have, but short of that there are frequently other options.

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Thought some might want to read these crackers

Cameron’s Big Society – TOFFS paying SPIVS to rip off PLEBS

http://tompride.wordpress.com/2012/11/27/camerons-big-society-toffs-paying-spivs-to-rip-off-plebs/

Oops! Homebase let cat out of the bag about using workfare to reduce wage bills

Pissed off employee whistleblows

http://tompride.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/oops-homebase-let-cat-out-of-the-bag-about-using-workfare-to-reduce-wage-bills/

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I also live in an apartment, free fruit is just about the only perk at some meetings. And I didn't have enough to sit on savings for a year; I got off my ****, collapsed my living costs (hence knowing how little food costs), volunteered, ultimately left my flat, moved across the country, finally got a job 10 months later, by which point I was in about £2k of debt. Nevertheless, going to the state with a begging bowl simply wasn't an option I thought of - had I been faced with the streets I'm sure I would have, but short of that there are frequently other options.

Way to go man-you' ve proved it can be done but it takes real committment & effort-and that I suspect is the problem!

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Flour 1500g 65p

Milk 400g (condensed) 101p

juice 1 lt 65p

Chick peas (400g) 37p

tomatoes (6-8) 81p

1 onion 16p

18 eggs £2.10

1kg of sugar 89p

All from Sainsburys. Other costs are either nominal (lettuce grown on window ledge - entire setup about £6 for non-stop supply) or estimates (I get apples free, cost to me of the pie thus about 25p, modify as needed)

I have no idea what level benefits are set at or what I'd qualify for as my situation isn't anywhere near them (and when historically it has been, it didn't occur to me that asking other people to pay for things was a viable option - unemployed for a year and never signed on for anything), so I can't answer the second half. I make no comment about the levels they're set at, I only know that when it comes to food, £18 is far more than enough to eat very well for a week.

How did you set up the lettuce? I could do with saving £2 per week on lettuce.

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The story lacks credibility without the numbers? How much did she have at the start of the week? Why is she paying bedroom tax? Where's the breakdown of expenditure rather than silly statements like "small sums"? It was only a week and she claims not to have been able to buy much - so just give us a list of spend.

By omitting the detail it's hard to make a proper judgment and we suspicious types begin to think it's deliberate in order to hide something. :ph34r:

Yes they had a example yesterday on TV were a single mum with 2 kids had to spend £165 of her £500+ a week benefits on food, and these were not grown up kids. I'm sure that is excessive.

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"The woman who wrote to the Bishop Auckland MP is about to lose £9.24 a week of her £71.70 housing benefit.

Is there a reason why she can't move into a 1 bedroom property? Or shall I just write her a cheque each year for £480 so she can continue to have more bedrooms than my 2 person household?

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"The woman who wrote to the Bishop Auckland MP is about to lose £9.24 a week of her £71.70 housing benefit.

Of the remaining £62.46, £16 is swallowed up by electricity and water bills, £19.50 goes on coal for heating, £5.25 on household essentials and bus fares are £4 – leaving only £17.71 for food."

JSA is £67.50 for that age, so that would be presumably allocated to rent which isn't mentioned there.

Personally I think the headline JSA rate is far too low.

But some of those numbers are choice. There's £35/week for elec/heat. How is that possible for a single person??

The £9.24 would also come back if she downsized. If downsizing isn't possible, the money should not be taken.

I wouldn't want to, but it wouldn't be that hard to not go hungry on £19.50/week. Horrible life, but not waking up starving ffs.

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I really don't get what point these MPs are trying to prove.

The cash benefits given to single, childless, non-disabled people are subsistence level. Pretty much nobody would actually choose to live on that level of income indefinitely. These are not the "benefits scroungers" that cost the country a fortune.

I'm not sure why bristolhunter thinks it wrong to claim JSA, at a princely £71 a week, when they were actually looking for work. I have and view it as a small amount of my tax coming back.

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Flour 1500g 65p

Milk 400g (condensed) 101p

juice 1 lt 65p

Chick peas (400g) 37p

tomatoes (6-8) 81p

1 onion 16p

18 eggs £2.10

1kg of sugar 89p

All from Sainsburys. Other costs are either nominal (lettuce grown on window ledge - entire setup about £6 for non-stop supply) or estimates (I get apples free, cost to me of the pie thus about 25p, modify as needed)

I have no idea what level benefits are set at or what I'd qualify for as my situation isn't anywhere near them (and when historically it has been, it didn't occur to me that asking other people to pay for things was a viable option - unemployed for a year and never signed on for anything), so I can't answer the second half. I make no comment about the levels they're set at, I only know that when it comes to food, £18 is far more than enough to eat very well for a week.

now all you need is a ride to Sainsburys.

what are scotch pancakes...do they come in a packet to munch on?

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The benefits should be increased, but what is the issue is to whom it is given and for how long are the sticking issues in my view.

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Is there a reason why she can't move into a 1 bedroom property? Or shall I just write her a cheque each year for £480 so she can continue to have more bedrooms than my 2 person household?

Good point although the bedroom tax is crazy - bedrooms are very variable in size some of my neighbours have 2 bed houses but I have a 3 bed - the house size is the same.

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