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Out of these which did nulabour continued?

1. She supported the retention of capital punishment

2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry

3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws

4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher")

5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)

6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration

7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)

8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million

9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands

10. The poll tax

11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad

12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War

13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years

14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS

15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits

16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA

17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control

18. Section 28

19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"

20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers

21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population

22. She opposed the reunification of Germany

23. She invented Quangos

24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%

25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister

26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech

27. The Al Yamamah contract

28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet

29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike

30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%

31. BSE

32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession

33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process

34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa

35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin

36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher

37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion

38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage

39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.

40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education

41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions

42. 21.9% inflation

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DT: Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser

Only fair I suppose, given that Nu-Labour seemed to get off on bombing so many of their countries.

Oh, and this after 13 years of Nu-Labour' reign...

DT: Gap between rich and poor has widened under Labour

BBC: Rich-poor divide 'wider than 40 years ago'

The gap between rich and poor in the UK is wider now than 40 years ago, a government-commissioned report says.

and this...

wiki: Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005

and so much more

There's a long, long list of stuff Thatcher couldn't have got away with but Nu-Labour pulled off under 'Left Cover'. Obama's currently doing the same over in the US.

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Out of these which did nulabour continued?

1. She supported the retention of capital punishment

2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry

3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws

4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher")

5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)

6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration

7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)

8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million

9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands

10. The poll tax

11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad

12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War

13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years

14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS

15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits

16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA

17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control

18. Section 28

19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"

20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers

21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population

22. She opposed the reunification of Germany

23. She invented Quangos

24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%

25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister

26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech

27. The Al Yamamah contract

28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet

29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike

30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%

31. BSE

32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession

33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process

34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa

35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin

36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher

37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion

38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage

39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.

40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education

41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions

42. 21.9% inflation

An unnecessarily long list IMO.

5, 7, 8, 13,15,15,20,39 are biggies and some of them have really changed Britain for the worse, but why people rail about the rest I don't know.

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I hope that's not your list as quite a lot of it is factually wrong or refers to things that happened after she left office.

C&P from Fb.

I was going to go through it myself and point out stuff but I'm really under the weather today. Ick,

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So why is it only 5% on energy bills?

....because 5% of something rising in price means more money than 0% of something rising in price.

15% of something that is falling in price means less money and if people don't buy is as good as 0% . ;)

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....because 5% of something rising in price means more money than 0% of something rising in price.

15% of something that is falling in price means less money and if people don't buy is as good as 0% . ;)

You missed the point. I was responding to a post that VAT was mandated at min. 15% in the EU. It isn't.

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The irony is Manufacturing fell more in the ten years after 1997 than it did in the preceding 18 years. In real terms, manufacturing as a sector was in recession more of the period 1997-2007 than it wasnt.

http://www.eef.org.uk/blog/image.axd?picture=2012%2F5%2FManufacturing+output.png

By then though all those who were employed but lost their jobs in the 80s were sitting comfortably on benefits and stewing in their bitterness and hate. It wasnt privatization they should blame, its the globalist movement.

Thatcher helped ruin this country (as every western leader has ruined theirs, bar maybe Germany) by complete surrender to globalist banksters. However, that can be said about every post war PM, so i have no special hate for her. She's just another traitorous politician, no more no less.

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No.22. The re-unification of Germany. She was right to be wary about it.. Don't forget, she actually lived through WW 2, rather than just bang on about it. There's not many people left who did.

Hindsight about Germany is wonderful, but perhaps they should have been maintained as 2 separate Germanys after all?

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Out of these which did nulabour continued?

1. She supported the retention of capital punishment

Ambivalent about this one.

2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry

Globalisation did. As it has most every western country.

3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws

The state should not be involved in marriage or divorce. It should recognize neither.

4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher")

5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)

There is less freedom for business than there has ever been. Net result. Its gone to china. I deny the premise of the assertion.

6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration

Legitimate fears. Though she did jack all to cease immigration when in office

7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)

A dumb idea. 100% agree.

8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million

10 million unemployed now. She was worse than her predeccesors, all her sucessors have been worse than her. globalization and immigration again

9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands

Yep. She got the boost from Falklands, but would have actually deserted them had it not been for her advisors. Ironic.

10. The poll tax

Couldnt care less. Council tax is a bad tax, so is poll tax.

11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad

Coal was becoming exhausted. To decry the closure of coal mines ls as daft as decrying the replacement of manual farm labour.

12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War

A pointless comparison.

13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years

Yep. Privatization without destroying the state monopoly is doomed to failure.

14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS

I wish...!

15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits

Labour would (and did) do the same.

16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA

Globalists again. She's a pawn, nothing more.

17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control

She should have shut down any foreign bases on UK soil. No other politician has though.

18. Section 28

Schools/the state shouldnt teach anything about sex, homo or other. In fact they shouldnt teach anything outside the 'three Rs' Section 28 should have been expanded against all relations, not just homo.

19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"

Sanctions should be executed on an individual boycott level, no civilized state should sanction another based on politics.

20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers

She should keep her nose out of other countries business

21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population

She 'allowed'? What say do we or anyone else have over US stupidity?

22. She opposed the reunification of Germany

She should keep her nose out of other countries business.

23. She invented Quangos

Im sure there have been quangos as long as there have been politicians.

24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%

No opinion. Its a tax and as such is theft. No more so or less so than any other tax.

25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister

26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech

Same as the rest of them.

27. The Al Yamamah contract

28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet

She should keep her nose out of other countries business

29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike

30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%

Necessary to curtail inflation.

31. BSE

32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession

As in most other western country. Globalization and immigration again.

33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process

Eire should keep its nose out of other countries business

34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa

Trade shouldnt be encumbered by political disputes. South Africa's problems were south africas problems.

35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin

Yep. Her position on capital punishment should have been enacted here,.

36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher

Crime rates inceased in most western countries - crime is the result of demographics. The baby boom meant lots of 20 something men (those who commit most crime) existed in the 70s and 80s. in large numbers. Now we have lots of old people and few young'uns. Shock horror, crime falls back. I cant see how she is responsible for a 50s/60s baby boom.

37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion

More Labour MPs voted for the ERM than tory ones. All our parties betrayed us here.

38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage

Not sure of the link. Was there a minimum wage before Thatcher?

39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.

Depends what you mean by public services. Some privatizations were flawed, due to so called natural monopolies, others competition has delivered lower prices.

40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education

She should have cut funding 100%! Musuems and galleries are not essential services.

41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions

Cant comment on this stat in isolation. Tax remissions is pretty irrelevant without knowing pre/after tax avoidance levels

42. 21.9% inflation

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No.22. The re-unification of Germany. She was right to be wary about it.. Don't forget, she actually lived through WW 2, rather than just bang on about it. There's not many people left who did.

Hindsight about Germany is wonderful, but perhaps they should have been maintained as 2 separate Germanys after all?

I have German relatives who would agree with that!

However, she still should have kept her opinions to herself while in public office. All our leaders should say a lot less and express a lot fewer opinions on foreign matters.

Our current treatment of Iran is disgraceful.

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24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%

Only to 15% during Thatcher administration

17.5% was by Lamont in the Major government in 1991

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Out of these which did nulabour continued?

7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)

That isn't really what gerrymandering is about... I think you might mean bribed, but it wasn't. It was simply political give and take.

Gerrymandering is what Labour did in the 1997 elections, shifting district boundaries to their advantage. Of course, it was mainly Labour MPs that seem to have been found out for sheer blatant electoral fraud, especially with the way they implemented the postal vote...

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The 'super reduced' rate of 4% in Spain for example, applies to food staples such as bread, milk and fresh fruit & veg. Thankfully, we have no VAT on cold / unprepared food..... yet.

Edit: Ah, I see, if you scroll down, the sectors are broken down. Nice one, I'll bookmark that to show the next person who thinks we pay a lot of VAT here.

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4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher")

This one is a canard. As John Redwood points out, it was Labour that took it away from the bulk of children in 1968:

http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2010/08/09/name-the-milk-snatchers/

They were right to do it though and Thatcher was right to extend the policy.

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She was probably responsible for Global Warming/climate change, too. :)

A lesser known Thatcher quote:

But the threat to our world comes not only from tyrants and their tanks. It can be more insidious though less visible. The danger of global warming is as yet unseen, but real enough for us to make changes and sacrifices, so that we do not live at the expense of future generations.

http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/108237

Also, on CFCs:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=266&dat=19890301&id=-vIrAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RWoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1128,585379

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