robo1968 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 ... don't go into the business of renting out property. Like being a boxer who complains about being hit in the face by his opponent ... don't do it. I know!! But it doesn't stop me saying that the legal process is far too slow, empowers people to abuse the system thus increasing costs for other renters, reducing the effort made by landlords to provide decent homes and souring relations between all Just for the sake of reducing the time to 6-8 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I know!! But it doesn't stop me saying that the legal process is far too slow, empowers people to abuse the system thus increasing costs for other renters, reducing the effort made by landlords to provide decent homes and souring relations between all Just for the sake of reducing the time to 6-8 weeks I'm sure there are, ahem, alternative methods available to the less scrupulous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo1968 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I'm sure there are, ahem, alternative methods available to the less scrupulous. But isn't the law designed to stop that very thing happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 What is it with teachers and BTL? Time. Those nice long holidays give them the time to play around with this sort of thing. If you get 20 days leave each year then the last thing you want to do is spend it trapesing around ex-council flats looking for a "canny investment opportunity" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Time. Those nice long holidays give them the time to play around with this sort of thing. If you get 20 days leave each year then the last thing you want to do is spend it trapesing around ex-council flats looking for a "canny investment opportunity" They do get rather a lot of time off, more than most.........now you have mentioned it they are rather keen on BTLs more so than other professions....could be there are rather more of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepless Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 They do get rather a lot of time off, more than most.........now you have mentioned it they are rather keen on BTLs more so than other professions....could be there are rather more of them. easy money, few hours a week, loads of time of when weather good, no hassles. Pretty much like BTL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 easy money, few hours a week, loads of time of when weather good, no hassles. Pretty much like BTL My History teacher at the time told our class that they only became a teacher for the long holidays.....stuck with me to this day...I ask you.......its a lottery with teachers, some are brilliant others should take up Buy to Letting full time....to do us all a favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venger Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) I'm sure there are, ahem, alternative methods available to the less scrupulous. Just another failure; a landlord who would resort to that. They rarely even contemplate the tenant might possess inner fury to retaliate, or be a connected tenant to return the favour to the landlord. Alternatives are ok for some tenant in-front of their family, if the goons get the right house, but not when they do the same back to the landlord? If not stand to lose a lot more if the law gets involved and can bring a case.. The law is fine, in most instances, allowing for commercial risk. Won't agree with anything to further weaken the rights of a tenant. Play landlord but don't grumble about it, if it isn't just all about collecting rent. Edited April 9, 2013 by Venger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Course you do. OK. He's a spivvy chancer in search of a bailout! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houses-do-my-head-in Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) My History teacher at the time told our class that they only became a teacher for the long holidays.....stuck with me to this day...I ask you.......its a lottery with teachers, some are brilliant others should take up Buy to Letting full time....to do us all a favour. currenlty doing my NQT year after spending 10 years in private sector working for all kinds of companies. my observations so far good teachers not paid enough bad teachers paid too much entitlement culture which means old guard are resistant to change and close ranks those who have never had a job outside of public sector really do not have a clue. after 2 days of not mentioning where i had worked a teacher said to me that she could tell i had worked in the real world within 10 minutes of meeting me data, monitoring and assessment is an absolute joke. the kids are not allowed to fail their target grades. if they do then intervention must follow. right load of excel inputting load of tripe. at the next parents evening ask your kids teacher if your child is red, yellow or green on the spreadsheet the teaching is the easy bit, its the planning which is so time consuming if you are doing the job right. planning good lessons is an art form that takes a long time. i would much rather have 4-5 weeks holiday a year and not have to plan to the extent i do as im up at 6 and sometimes dont close the laptop until 11pm at night. in fact i may as well be one of those miserable london slaves you see on the tube that are up at 5am and get in at 8pm to live in an average london area in zone 43....suckers! Edited April 9, 2013 by houses-do-my-head-in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChumpusRex Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Quite that's the way it works and with rented property you need to issue a section 21 or there is I believe a different one for non payment of rent and then follow the correct procedures. I am sure that the canny businessman landlord was fully aware of how the rental market works and what is various options are for non payment of rent, damage to the property etc. The problem is if the tenant ignores the notice. It can easily take 6 months or more, from expiry of the notice, to evict a tenant that has stopped paying rent. If there are children, then it can easily take 12 months after the notice expires. I have no sympathy with the LL's financial loss. This is a risk that one has to take in business. However, the LL is right to complain that the legal process is too slow to act when there is a genuine (and easily proved) problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo1968 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 The problem is if the tenant ignores the notice. It can easily take 6 months or more, from expiry of the notice, to evict a tenant that has stopped paying rent. If there are children, then it can easily take 12 months after the notice expires. I have no sympathy with the LL's financial loss. This is a risk that one has to take in business. However, the LL is right to complain that the legal process is too slow to act when there is a genuine (and easily proved) problem. At last. Exactly! A good example of how terrible the system currently is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 At last. Exactly! A good example of how terrible the system currently is ********, the landlord enjoys the protection of having the supply of accomodation completely restricted and now you want the risk involved in his cash flow removed too? As if LHA wasn't enough already. We're just serfs to you, aren't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I understand but all you are doing is bolstering what I said. The system isn't working correctly if it takes a year, that's my point It doesn't usually take anywhere near a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I agree on insurance but that is what pushes up rent costs for everyone. There are always bad customers but for the legal system to take a year to resolve what is clearly consistently stealing a service and willful damage is unacceptable. Let's hope it doesn't happen to you, I don't rent properties by the way what damage?...it needed a clean out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) I was speaking to a teacher who rents about 5 properties the other day thats says it all. Being a landlord, especially a bottom feeding one is a "job" in itself not just an investment opportunity. Edited April 10, 2013 by Secure Tenant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo1968 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 ********, the landlord enjoys the protection of having the supply of accomodation completely restricted and now you want the risk involved in his cash flow removed too? As if LHA wasn't enough already. We're just serfs to you, aren't we? Oh dear you really are bitter aren't you, . I am not a landlord as i have already stated The law is wrong in terms of the amount of time it takes that is all I am saying The same applies to squatters or are you going to support them too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo1968 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 It doesn't usually take anywhere near a year. But it did in this instance that's all I am saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Oh dear you really are bitter aren't you, . I am not a landlord as i have already stated The law is wrong in terms of the amount of time it takes that is all I am saying The same applies to squatters or are you going to support them too? The law doesnt take this long. If all the paperwork was correct, he would have had her out fairly quickly. but, clearly we have the home of a sick/addicted person and children. The Court would have been looking to social services about the children....and here is the problem....what about the children...and were they even children, or in other stories, yoofs drinking on the village green. The story is lacking on facts....we are shown piles of rubbish and dirty paint...the house is clearly not a luxury pad, its a cheap let, probably in a poor area, most likely to a LHA tenant.. But the paper has done its job....revealed few facts, and come to a controversial conclusion to raise the ire of readers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo1968 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 The law doesnt take this long. If all the paperwork was correct, he would have had her out fairly quickly. but, clearly we have the home of a sick/addicted person and children. The Court would have been looking to social services about the children....and here is the problem....what about the children...and were they even children, or in other stories, yoofs drinking on the village green. The story is lacking on facts....we are shown piles of rubbish and dirty paint...the house is clearly not a luxury pad, its a cheap let, probably in a poor area, most likely to a LHA tenant.. But the paper has done its job....revealed few facts, and come to a controversial conclusion to raise the ire of readers. True. Renting should be restricted and more taxed but I hate the fact people are allowed to behave like this, whether its people who don't pay rent whether they are using kids as tiils to do this or not, squatters or pikeys who arrive and ruin places. The law is acting against the victim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Oh dear you really are bitter aren't you, . I am not a landlord as i have already stated The law is wrong in terms of the amount of time it takes that is all I am saying The same applies to squatters or are you going to support them too? what do you want? Judge Dredd instant "justice"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 True. Renting should be restricted and more taxed but I hate the fact people are allowed to behave like this, whether its people who don't pay rent whether they are using kids as tiils to do this or not, squatters or pikeys who arrive and ruin places. The law is acting against the victim. We all hate that there are scumbags in the community. they are a blight on everyone....but,,,if this person and family are true one tooth Aholes, then just where are they going to go? And if they are ill, where is the support they need? We have all sorts living among us, not everyone plays along with everyone else.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Quite that's the way it works and with rented property you need to issue a section 21 or there is I believe a different one for non payment of rent and then follow the correct procedures. I am sure that the canny businessman landlord was fully aware of how the rental market works and what is various options are for non payment of rent, damage to the property etc. Section 21 is about getting rid of good tenants. Section 8 gets rid of bad tenants, and supposedly works much faster (I've seen two weeks notice mentioned). The catch with Section 8 is, you need to convince a court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 True. Renting should be restricted and more taxed but I hate the fact people are allowed to behave like this, whether its people who don't pay rent whether they are using kids as tiils to do this or not, squatters or pikeys who arrive and ruin places. The law is acting against the victim. ....In that case, how do you suggest the payday loan companies get their money back from the people that use the services but don't pay for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo1968 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 what do you want? Judge Dredd instant "justice"? I want a systen where if a bunch of gypsies move onto a park or land that the owner doesn't have to take out a court order incurring 000s of pounds. People play the system and get rewarded. That is my point If a tenant can't pay then it looked at quickly in the same way. Why not? It's putting up costs for everyone. This has nothing to do with being a landlord which seems to get everyone so sore on here, simply creating a system where wrong doers don't get away with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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