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Director of Children & Young People's Services

Devon County Council £120K

When it comes to giving children and young people the best possible start in life, Devon County Council have already laid solid foundations. As a nationally recognised leader for positive change, we aim, through our Pathfinder trust.

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The thought of someone at the age of eighteen going through the horrors of combat/war to then retire having just got on with life without moaning or sponging off the state but to then see said state splashing out obscene sums of money to what are essentialy parasites who have probably never had a real job makes me want to cry.

The old war veterans must feel mightily pissed off with the state of Blairs Britain more than any HPC'r could ever be? Was it worth it? Obviously not, they survived, just pause and think about those that did not, just try and imagine yourself in a trench with 'incoming'. We are all lightweights and could never survive those conditions.

For what?

It makes me sick. £120 000 a year for doing the square root of f**k all. The Blair/Brown pact from day one set out to create a permanent Labour voting base. I for one cannot wait to see this whole thing unravel in spectacular fashion and get back to normal (house prices, 'rates', dole payments, civil service wages, public sector pensions, crime, disorder....... ******, time to emigrate.

Have you seen that ad in the papers of Blair and something like:

'It's all very well dodging questions from the opposition about Iraq. Try dodging the opposition IN Iraq'.

Real bullets, shrapnel, bombs. Blair and his cronies should go down (permanently?). I get madder every day.

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I must admit I always read these Tax Abuser of the Week threads and thank you to dog for doing the research and posting them.

There's an absolutely horrendous amount of waste out there - we are truly being taken for a ride.

What gets me in particular is the state of the NHS - billions and billions have been poured in at record amounts, and yet round here the local Trusts are deep in debt having to make cuts.

What the hell is going on? It smacks of jobs for the boys.

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Going against the flow but I personally dont think 80k -120k for some of these positions is overpaid. They have to compete against the private sector to employ the best people. They are in charge of huge depts with massive budgets and staff numbers you need the best. Put your CV in and see if you get an interview.

I agree that 5k pension for war vets is paltry but the public sector hasnt defaulted on it pension obligations unlike the private companies who all decided to take pension holidays when the going was good and now have billions in shortfalls.

There is waste I agree but its not daylight robbery. The city boys will make 100k+ for their christmas bonusalone and they are not serving your community. Ask yourself which is the more worthwhile job childrens services or currency speculator.

Dog obviously doesnt like paying his taxes, no one does.

Not trolling just a different viewpoint. In the interest of full disclosure I work for a public water company for a measly wage, but when it boils down to it I know my work makes a difference. Unfortunately none of the public think the same. I sometimes think we should turn their water off for a day.

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What gets me in particular is the state of the NHS - billions and billions have been poured in at record amounts, and yet round here the local Trusts are deep in debt having to make cuts.

My nomination is .......the PCT.

A new layer of bureaucracy to ensure the NHS spends its money wisely (on PCT managers)

Cost for PCT manager ...80k pa

Cost for breast cancer patient's treatment with Herceptin.....20k pa

Most PCts think Herceptin is too expensive.

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Going against the flow but I personally dont think 80k -120k for some of these positions is overpaid. They have to compete against the private sector to employ the best people. They are in charge of huge depts with massive budgets and staff numbers you need the best. Put your CV in and see if you get an interview.

They wouldn't if they were national, however multiply them by every little council and you see where the waste is.

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Going against the flow but I personally dont think 80k -120k for some of these positions is overpaid. They have to compete against the private sector to employ the best people. They are in charge of huge depts with massive budgets and staff numbers you need the best. Put your CV in and see if you get an interview.

I agree that 5k pension for war vets is paltry but the public sector hasnt defaulted on it pension obligations unlike the private companies who all decided to take pension holidays when the going was good and now have billions in shortfalls.

There is waste I agree but its not daylight robbery. The city boys will make 100k+ for their christmas bonusalone and they are not serving your community. Ask yourself which is the more worthwhile job childrens services or currency speculator.

Dog obviously doesnt like paying his taxes, no one does.

Not trolling just a different viewpoint. In the interest of full disclosure I work for a public water company for a measly wage, but when it boils down to it I know my work makes a difference. Unfortunately none of the public think the same. I sometimes think we should turn their water off for a day.

If you want a private sector wage go in the private sector.

The city boy that makes 100K as bonus has to compete hard to ge there and if somebody decides to give him such a bonus is because he creates revenues.

Charity and work are two separate things.

100K for a public job in childrens services is an insult to all hard working people.

I agree that war veterans should get paid much higher pensions, they are true heroes.

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Going against the flow but I personally dont think 80k -120k for some of these positions is overpaid. They have to compete against the private sector to employ the best people. They are in charge of huge depts with massive budgets and staff numbers you need the best. Put your CV in and see if you get an interview.

But it's only a certain type of public sector job that receives this largesse. Is being Director of Childrens Services for Devon County Council worth being paid twice as much as a Wing Commander in the RAF? I suppose the challenge of commanding a squadron of Tornados in combat is only worth half as much as dishing out a few ASBOs in Exeter.

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Going against the flow but I personally dont think 80k -120k for some of these positions is overpaid. They have to compete against the private sector to employ the best people. They are in charge of huge depts with massive budgets and staff numbers you need the best. Put your CV in and see if you get an interview.

I agree that 5k pension for war vets is paltry but the public sector hasnt defaulted on it pension obligations unlike the private companies who all decided to take pension holidays when the going was good and now have billions in shortfalls.

There is waste I agree but its not daylight robbery. The city boys will make 100k+ for their christmas bonusalone and they are not serving your community. Ask yourself which is the more worthwhile job childrens services or currency speculator.

Dog obviously doesnt like paying his taxes, no one does.

Not trolling just a different viewpoint. In the interest of full disclosure I work for a public water company for a measly wage, but when it boils down to it I know my work makes a difference. Unfortunately none of the public think the same. I sometimes think we should turn their water off for a day.

Do you think these positions are of utmost importance?

Would the country collapse without them?

If you want a private sector wage go in the private sector.

well that's just it, isn't it

The private sector wouldn't create non-jobs in order to massage the unemployment figures.

They have to pay workers out of productivity profits, not dip their grubby mits into the public purse and help themselves.

It reminds me of that tired old (b*lls**t) cliche, when a fat cat is defending their obscene salary - "we would get more if we went abroad"

Really? well why haven't you gone then?

I'm also sick of the argument that you have to pay a fortune to get good people - funny how the obscure sounding jobs 'need' the top people whereas key workers - people who provide our key services can survive on cannon fodder.

:angry:

The latest scandal is that they are employing non-teachers to provide cover in schools now....because they're cheaper. My sister is a fully trained teacher and finding herself swimming amongst non-skilled folk for the jobs!!!!

It seems that in today's Britain, everything must be run on the cheap, until we get to the question of directors pay that is.

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It reminds me of that tired old (b*lls**t) cliche, when a fat cat is defending their obscene salary - "we would get more if we went abroad"

Really? well why haven't you gone then?

I wouldn't claim to be a fat cat - I'm a fairly small fish in a very big pond. However, if I relocated within my company to the US I'd be paid approximately double my UK salary.

Why haven't I gone? Well, the country may be going to the dogs, who knows, but I actually like this country, and I'm not going to desert it when I think there's any chance of making it a better place to live. Compare it to the poverty in some of the under developed countries, or the violence and murders of some of the developed countries, and it doesn't appear to be all that bad....

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I wouldn't claim to be a fat cat - I'm a fairly small fish in a very big pond. However, if I relocated within my company to the US I'd be paid approximately double my UK salary.

Why haven't I gone? Well, the country may be going to the dogs, who knows, but I actually like this country, and I'm not going to desert it when I think there's any chance of making it a better place to live. Compare it to the poverty in some of the under developed countries, or the violence and murders of some of the developed countries, and it doesn't appear to be all that bad....

are you a homeowner by chance?

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Peachy

I agree that 5k pension for war vets is paltry but the public sector hasnt defaulted on it pension obligations unlike the private companies who all decided to take pension holidays when the going was good and now have billions in shortfalls.

Gordon Brown did have a little problem balancing the books but he solved this by raiding private pensions.

The public sector will never default on public service pensions for the same reasons that Robert Mugabe's cohorts drive around in Mercedes whilst ordinary Zimbabweans starve.

The city boys will make 100k+ for their christmas bonusalone and they are not serving your community. Ask yourself which is the more worthwhile job childrens services or currency speculator.

Where do you think the money comes for paying the fat cats in the public sector? The city of London is by far the most productive part of the economy (I don't work in the city). They bring in huge sums of money from abroad.

Dog obviously doesnt like paying his taxes, no one does.

Wrong! Tax is a necessity of life in a civilised world. My concern relates to the way the tax is being spent. Too many people in the public sector are paid far too much and do not serve any useful function. Even worse, many of them are atively undermining our economy and way of life. We need teachers, doctors, road menders and policemen. We do not need 'excellence cluster coordinators' or 'inclusivity managers'.

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Put your CV in and see if you get an interview.

There is no chance of an interview. These ads have to placed, but in reality the jobs go some obsequious b*stard who started as office clerk 20 years ago.

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There is no chance of an interview. These ads have to placed, but in reality the jobs go some obsequious b*stard who started as office clerk 20 years ago.

Possibly - maybe job is for someone's friend from the golf club or mason's hall, someone's husband, wife, , son, daughter. The interview process is merely box ticking. Wastes other applicant's time to justify they've a fair recruitment process.

Expect person's presence in position for about 18 months, until their non-position has been recognised, followed by handsome redundancy, or signed off with "ill" on full pay for 2 years when someone questions the need for such a position, lack of performance, etc.

Maybe that's a bit harsh. I'm becomnig very cynical as of late. And I haven't even glanced a copy of private eye in the past 6 months.

btp

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I must also side with Peachy as the voices of balance.

I cannot say all these jobs are worth the money or even that they deserve the often quite high renumeration but at the same time I would not say that because I don't know what the job involves. Sometimes a job title can be misleading and may indeed be a management post that looks after a department that may have hundreds of frontline staff and a budget of millions. Central Government decides what are statutory responsibilities for local government to deliver, these include things such as Social Services, Highways, Libraries, etc. Individual councils then add services according to public demand such as Museums, Sports Centres, Bengali liasion outreach workers, etc. Just because you don't need a service does not mean someone else out there doesn't either. This is still a relatively socialist state and for that I am very grateful and I don't mind paying my tax even if I don't always agree how and were it is spent. Doesn't mean I don't occasionally ask my MP or local councillor why?

You want to get the bins emptied, to deliver support and assitance to people who are often not of their own fault vunerable in society, to keep the street lights on, roads paved, sports centres open, library's free, etc. - someone has to do it yes, but someone else also has to manage this.

I went into my local library this morning so for example, if you have a hundred librarians across a council, you will have maybe thirty support staff and at the top of the library tree you will have a Head of Libraries. They will therefore have 130 staff and probably a budget of say £6 million to run the service.

How much would you do the job for?

£30k, I doubt it. £50k, maybe but if you have the skills required to do this level of management then surely working in the private sector would pay better? So a Head of Libraries may well get over £60k. But Libraries are not the top of the organisation, they will be part of a wider department which will have a Director. The salary level here will be £80-100k because the person in charge will ultimately be responsible for several thousand staff and a budget of tens of millions. Sounds a huge amount but I wouldn't want the responsibility. Local government has a finite set of resources, so in choosing a salary level this would have to be factored in.

I am (after all this) not saying I think there are no non jobs, or that no money is wasted. I just think before everyone adds their tuppence worth you should consider many people work at a reasonable salary, in a job that can make a difference. Sometimes that salary is near the £100k mark.

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but if you have the skills required to do this level of management then surely working in the private sector would pay better?

No, you're out of touch here - public service is the best paying job around.

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If you want a private sector wage go in the private sector.

The city boy that makes 100K as bonus has to compete hard to ge there and if somebody decides to give him such a bonus is because he creates revenues.

Charity and work are two separate things.

100K for a public job in childrens services is an insult to all hard working people.

I agree that war veterans should get paid much higher pensions, they are true heroes.

You display great naivety regarding "city boy" pay. Over 3000 city employees received £1m+ bonuses this year. The elite will earn £10m+

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You display great naivety regarding "city boy" pay. Over 3000 city employees received £1m+ bonuses this year. The elite will earn £10m+

Without them, you would have no economy.

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You display great naivety regarding "city boy" pay. Over 3000 city employees received £1m+ bonuses this year. The elite will earn £10m+

The 100K figure was a reference to Peachy's post. I am well aware that many city employees earn 6-digits packages.

The only thing that I find very disturbing is that so many people still believe that spending 100K a year for some local director in the public sector is ok. Public money should be spent wisely. We all are forced to contribute through taxation after all.

The common perception that the public sector performs a "morally superior" activity is also ********. Don't do charity with other peoples money, that's all.....

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ok - i've worked for local and central government and also the private sector - i would honestly say that the majority of government eployees i have worked with are lazy unproductive fodder who are grossly overpaid - i remember working on one particular site which was so big that the staff who worked furthest from the entrance actually had to work 12 minutes less a day to compensate them - in the private sector this just wouldnt happen and would generally be irrelevant as everyone would work far more than their contracted hours - in the public sector, everyone i have met counts the exact minutes - these people are just plain lazy and should be paid accordingly - unfortunately under fat Gorgon, they are rewarded for laziness and incompetence

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ok - i've worked for local and central government and also the private sector - i would honestly say that the majority of government eployees i have worked with are lazy unproductive fodder who are grossly overpaid - i remember working on one particular site which was so big that the staff who worked furthest from the entrance actually had to work 12 minutes less a day to compensate them - in the private sector this just wouldnt happen and would generally be irrelevant as everyone would work far more than their contracted hours - in the public sector, everyone i have met counts the exact minutes - these people are just plain lazy and should be paid accordingly - unfortunately under fat Gorgon, they are rewarded for laziness and incompetence

Public employees have lost their moral compass and abandoned any sense of duty or work ethic. Some are even criticised by their colleagues for not using up their annual sick leave entitlement.

The public service simply don't want to work any more. If they cannot push their work onto the public or private business (see Inland Revenue) they recruit contractors to do it for them.

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