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ok, I can say one thing, he stood vocally and openly opposed to the 2nd gulf war, and as far as I can tell he was right to do so

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what has he done that was any good, in actuallity, and why do hard lefties love him so much?

My mother was always a diehard Tory but she still admired Benn because he stuck to his principles and was not swayed by what happened to be politically or electorally expedient at the time. At least, AFAIK he did - I dare say someone will be able to prove me wrong.

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My mother was always a diehard Tory but she still admired Benn because he stuck to his principles and was not swayed by what happened to be politically or electorally expedient at the time. At least, AFAIK he did - I dare say someone will be able to prove me wrong.

That fits with my view of him. I don't agree with his politics but he's a decent principled man which is rare in politicians of any stripe.

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That fits with my view of him. I don't agree with his politics but he's a decent principled man which is rare in politicians of any stripe.

People have this very quaint notion that Benn is this principled, attruistic socialist

I don't buy it I'm afraid.

The first thing wrong about Benn is he comes from a very wealthy background. He's a hypocrite like all socialists. I don't have any time for the man at all.

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I can't stand his son Hilary. Fourth generation MP. Professional politician. Hasn't done a decent days work in his life! Come to think of it his father is virtually from the same mould!

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The first thing wrong about Benn is he comes from a very wealthy background. He's a hypocrite like all socialists. I don't have any time for the man at all.

I notice the people who call Osborne 'Osborne' don't call Benn 'Wedgewood'.

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The first thing wrong about Benn is he comes from a very wealthy background. He's a hypocrite like all socialists. I don't have any time for the man at all.

What has his family's wealth got to do with anything? So a person cannot stand for socialist principles if their parents are rich?

All socialists are hypocrites?

:lol:

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All socialists are hypocrites?

:lol:

No, just the very rich ones.

Because, yes, being filthy rich is indeed incompatible with being a socialist. Socialists believe filthy rich people should part with their wealth for the common good, ergo a filthy rich socialist who refuses to voluntarily part with his wealth is a hypocrite.

I'll shake Benn's hand when I gives away 98% of his wealth to charity and goes to live in a 1 bed flat in Walworth.

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All socialists are hypocrites?

:lol:

Many are :) I wouldn't go so far as to say all. (you could consider Benn to be one since he hasn't voluntarily given away his fortune in order to decrease inequality in this country)

But there are not many who think that they wont be the ones "in charge" when we are all "equal" - in essence it boils down to wanting to arrange people to suit their own desires, not to arrange people so that those same people are as well off as they can be.

either that or they seem to want to punish people for being lucky, or talented, or hardworking. I fail to see the benefit that comes of this.

If all they wanted was to make people more equal then you only need one tax and one benefit.

Income tax above a certain threshold (say median income) and then a citizens income doling it out to everybody below that threshold. But they dont do that, they want to control how it is doled out, according to their preferences rater than those who are actually the poor.

So yes many of them are hypocrites.

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what has he done that was any good, in actuallity, and why do hard lefties love him so much?

I mostly agree with the implication of your question but there is one good thing he did. When he was running the Ministry of Technology he set up the CAD Centre in Cambridge which, arguably, lead to the technology cluster there today.

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So a person cannot stand for socialist principles if their parents are rich?

Of course they can but they're clearly hypocrites if they don't voluntarily give up their own wealth (inherited or otherwise). How can you possibly tell other people that you want to take their money from them by force if necessary when you're not prepared to lead the way?

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Couldn't care less about his background . Quite like him but he is a hypocrite . Like all mainstream socialists in the uk he has NEVER advocated that we in the uk give up nearly all our wealth , take a massive cut in standards of living and share our resources with the third world . All of these would be a wholly NECCESARY part of being socialist .

As he doesn't he like most of them is in reality a Nationsl Socialist , something he doubtless despises on public

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He has consistently opposed Britain's membership of the EU since the 1970s and was one of the few Labour MPs not to be seduced into changing their opinions by Jacque Delors in the 1980s. He was right on that issue from day one but as usual was mocked by his opponents including one M. Thatcher and most senior Tories who all campaigned for the UK to join the Common Market. Enoch Powell was the only major figure on the right who could match that record. It took all the Tory turncoat UKIPers nearly 25 years to catch up. Along with Labours Peter Shore and Powell he is going to earn place in the history books as being one of the few British politicians who nailed the issue from the beginning.

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No, just the very rich ones.

Because, yes, being filthy rich is indeed incompatible with being a socialist. Socialists believe filthy rich people should part with their wealth for the common good, ergo a filthy rich socialist who refuses to voluntarily part with his wealth is a hypocrite.

I'll shake Benn's hand when I gives away 98% of his wealth to charity and goes to live in a 1 bed flat in Walworth.

You are quite simply incorrect. Socialists - by and large - believe in a systemic change to economic power structures to move towards a more even distribution of wealth, not individual action.

Of course, real lefties will never forgive Benn for using troops to break a power workers' strike. However, I admire his principled stance, even if he hangs onto the quaint view that Parliament and the instruments of state can be used to radically reform the state.

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I notice the people who call Osborne 'Osborne' don't call Benn 'Wedgewood'.

Do you really think they're the same thing? Wedgie, as he likes to be called, isn't backwards about his reasons, whereas young Osborne Stargrave seems less out and proud about his rejection of privilege. He was quoted as a teenager saying he changed his name because he didn't think the British public would elect a Prime Mincer called Osborne. Which was published last year in Private Eye so it must be true.

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People have this very quaint notion that Benn is this principled, attruistic socialist

I don't buy it I'm afraid.

The first thing wrong about Benn is he comes from a very wealthy background. He's a hypocrite like all socialists. I don't have any time for the man at all.

100% spot on.

Tell others how to live their lives, belittle aspiration, but whatever happens you, yourself and your progeny end up on top................

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I notice the people who call Osborne 'Osborne' don't call Benn 'Wedgewood'.

Really? I distinctly recall him being referred to as Wedgie Benn back in the day - by all sides too.

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Of course, real lefties will never forgive Benn for using troops to break a power workers' strike.

If you mean the UWC strike in 1974

He didn't although the government at the time (of which he was a member) might have considered doing so but was advised it was not practicable or likely to be successful in improving the government's position.

If he had, real lefties would have applauded such an action in that particular strike

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