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I barely remember the 70's, but they were pretty bad. Some features for those who weren't there :

i) Cars were crap and rusted to bits. Many people couldn't afford one per family, let alone two.

From the start of this British Leyland film...."Every aspect of the car was ruthlessly examined to try and discover any flaws in the vehicle's design or construction. It was the engineers' boast they would discover every problem or potential problem Metro posessed"

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Maybe.

But well paid factory/manual work, which was the bread and butter of employment here, has almost completely gone, so it's impossible to make a direct comparison.

The place I worked at, shop floor "line leader" type jobs paid £25-£30K (plus overtime, plus bonuses) as long ago as the early nineties. Today? I would imagine the only comparable place is Nissan; any idea what shop floor staff there earn?

You do raise a very good point.

Those shop floor workers were basically competing with 3rd world workers and had no protection with the death of the unions.

Government workers on the other hand were New Labours main clients, competed with noone and got well above average wage rises for most of Labours time in office.

The question for this thread is whether the one thing balanced out the other.

With the governments share at 65% of GDP in the North East (a similar share to most mid 80's communist countries) I'd guess yes.

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I know this is the wail and I should stop reading it but:

Using this inflation calculator to input £100,000 in today's money would have been worth £7,710. My dad bought a large 4 bedroom home with a front and back garden on a single university lecture's salary in 1968 for £8,100. That house was resold in 2012 for £310,000. So £100,000 in 1968's money could buy almost that entire house, but today can only buy 1/3rd of it. RightMove has a single 2 bedroom flat in that area for £100,000 So they seem to be saying that a 2 bedroom flat is that same as a large 4 bedroom house. I know housing has gone up by more than the rate of inflation, but the sheeple are getting feed garbage like this to keep them controllable and that significantly depresses my standard of living.

...this reflects the suicidal house price boom encouraged and baked by the last Labour government ...they even saw it crash while still in office ...but were propping up the prices artificially up to the 2010 election ...and the current government carried on the same policy ...keeping the parcel wrapped to pass back to Labour for the next election..... :rolleyes:

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Hi Fi was all the rage.

Sinclair had some stuff out claiming to be great...it wasnt...

What surprised me was how early these were 1968

presenting the system 2000......29 guineas

http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/audio/system2000.htm

As for portable, yes we had solid state radios and cassette players....there was one around 1973, it was stereo, loud and sounded good...cant remember the brand but it was a leap ahead and some guy brought his into the common room....panasonic?

correct. when i was 15/16 we all had piano-key cassette recorders (think star-trek tricorder). Mine was a stereo Grundig which i used to record music off the new FM stations.

Fancy calculators were getting popular; i had one of the early LCD programmable ones in '77 or so

and i acquired a new-fangled canon AE-1 electonic film camera a year or 2 later. i remember that cost me £208! i also rented a big colour TV in 1979 (with gasp! ultrasonic remote control) despite being an impoverished student.

to put that into perspective, my family didn't have a bath, central heating, a telephone or car before I was 14.

i had however been on school trips to Austria and the South of France.

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correct. when i was 15/16 we all had piano-key cassette recorders (think star-trek tricorder). Mine was a stereo Grundig which i used to record music off the new FM stations.

Fancy calculators were getting popular; i had one of the early LCD programmable ones in '77 or so

and i acquired a new-fangled canon AE-1 electonic film camera when i was 18 or so. i remember that cost me £208! i also rented a big colour TV in 1979 (with gasp! ultrasonic remote control) despite being an impoverished student.

to put that into perspective, my family didn't have a bath, central heating, a telephone or car before I was 14.

i had however been on school trips to Austria and the South of France.

Me and my brother got a standy-up grundig tape-radio between us for christmas in 1980ish.

It cost my mam £40 - the equivalent of £140 now!!

Her first video was a grundig V2000 (we always knew how to pick losers), a snip at 500 quid or 1750 in todays money.

In hindsight I think my mother must have been on the game...

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The reasonably well orf (offered a mortgage cos they were rationed + waiting lists at the time - so I have skimmed) got 30% + Miras bribes from the govt to buy.

The working poor got to pay rent all their lives, thru each generation, until today when the Govt kicks them around and tell outright lies to put them down in the eyes of the public.

Fruits of Thatcherism?

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I barely remember the 70's, but they were pretty bad. Some features for those who weren't there :

i) Cars were crap and rusted to bits. Many people couldn't afford one per family, let alone two.

ii) Going out to dinner was looked on as a luxury. Probably not a bad thing either, as the variety of food on offer was pretty limited and was of appalling quality. Culniary standards have improved hugely and the variety of food on offer has increased massively.

iii) TVs were small. Often black and white. One per house. And you couldn't record anything either.

iv) Foreign holidays to somewhere like spain were a huge luxury afforded only by the middle class and rich.

v) There were no portable gadgets. You could probably get hold of an early edition walkman that would fit in a rucksack and play with awful sound quality.

vi) Going to a football match could be life threatening.

vii) Houses fitted with showers were quite unusual. Often there was only a bath. En suite bathrooms were almost non existent.

I know in an era of declining living standards it's easy to believe modern life is rubbish and everything in the past was better. And indeed some things were. But in general the standard of living today is much higher than it was back in the 70's, even if dewy eyed old grannies insist otherwise.

Yes, I'm obviously twenty years or so older than you but you sum it up pretty well.

Cars were generally shit. Very few of the cars in that era were worth driving when they were new. The only ones that I can think of were the Elan, the XJ6 and the BMW 1602/2002. And the Cooper S.

Eating out as opposed to to eating in a greasy spoon, some of which were and are brilliant, when at work. Pretty expensive for poor quality.

Yes, colour TVs only starting to appear in the early '70s. Big thrill of the week was TOTP in colour in the pub.

Foreign holidays? Expensive. The flag carriers still ruled the airways and would for a long time.

Portable gadgets. I can't stand football and during the 74(?) world cup I used to bring a ghetto blaster type cd players to the pub with headphones wired to it. Had to use a soldering iron to put it together. People thought I was mad. It probably cost me more to run in Ever Ready carbon-zinc batteries than the beer that i drank. Portable calculators and digital watches tarted to appear in the late-ish 70s.

Can't comment on the football as I can't stand it.

Agree about the house and baths.

Also, no young working person even dreamed of having their own self contained accommodation. You had a bedsit or maybe shared a flat or a house. With the rent acts is was becoming more and more difficult to get places to rent. Council places did exist but they only tended to be available for older people with families.

A funny one from those days. There was no way to enforce payment of parking tickets on company cars. When you got a ticket on a company car you binned it. Anyway, a guy I worked for wanted to change his car. He had spotted one that he fancied and I was sent off to do the deal. He had mentioned that he was winding up one of his companies and I new that his car was registered i the name of that company so I registered the new one in his own name at his own address. I did tell him and he said fine, good thinking etc. A couple of months later he arrived in one day and announce that he was going to kill me. Apparently the police had tirned up on his doorstep the night before tp arrest him for unpaid parking tickets.

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The reasonably well orf (offered a mortgage cos they were rationed + waiting lists at the time - so I have skimmed) got 30% + Miras bribes from the govt to buy.

The working poor got to pay rent all their lives, thru each generation, until today when the Govt kicks them around and tell outright lies to put them down in the eyes of the public.

I guess I must have imagined all the working class families on our street who owned their own houses. I don't think there were any rented houses on the street until the last Labour government pushed prices so high that only landlords and bankers could afford them.

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iv) Foreign holidays to somewhere like spain were a huge luxury afforded only by the middle class and rich.

+1

I remember learning French at junior school in 1972 and thinking for all the chance of me visiting France I may as well have been learning Martian.

In 1974 a girl at school, as brown as a berry, was talking about her holiday in Spain and I was in complete awe (like her parents must be multi-millionaires or sumfink).

This was the zenith of vast, UK based, Pontins/Butlins style holiday camps.

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I remember learning French at junior school in 1972 and thinking for all the chance of me visiting France I may as well have been learning Martian.

I remember seeing Unions arranging strikes on the telly in the 70s, and remember thinking "I'll bet they're not around to keep my wages rising with inflation when I'm older".

Looks like I was right. ;)

"We're still better off than the 1970s" but only if you take a selected subset of life.

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I remember seeing Unions arranging strikes on the telly in the 70s, and remember thinking "I'll bet they're not around to keep my wages rising with inflation when I'm older".

Looks like I was right. ;)

"We're still better off than the 1970s" but only if you take a selected subset of life.

I was a pre-teen in the 70s and I have pre-teen sons now. In summer my childhood was far better than my kids, just went out in the morning and came back in the evening, all the other kids did the same. Even if I let my kids out, there would be no other kids out there to play with, and the roads are so much busier.

In the winter though, the 70's were awful, cold, dark boring. I don't remember the bins piling up but I do remember the constant power cuts and the unbelievably boring TV, and the lack of central heating. Winter is much, much better for my kids, the computer games, toys, TV are infinitely better.

Not to mention days out at Chessington, or farm parks; even the swimming pools locally are a million times better than in the 70s.

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In the winter though, the 70's were awful, cold, dark boring. I don't remember the bins piling up but I do remember the constant power cuts and the unbelievably boring TV, and the lack of central heating. Winter is much, much better for my kids, the computer games, toys, TV are infinitely better.

Don't abandon hope - your kids are likely to experience power cuts... not because of strikes though just high demand and lack of UK supply:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/9590135/Millions-of-British-households-face-blackout-warns-Ofgem.html

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Don't abandon hope - your kids are likely to experience power cuts... not because of strikes though just high demand and lack of UK supply:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/9590135/Millions-of-British-households-face-blackout-warns-Ofgem.html

Ofgem said there may have to be “controlled disconnections” of homes

Which is why i don't have a "Smartmeter".

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I guess I must have imagined all the working class families on our street who owned their own houses. I don't think there were any rented houses on the street until the last Labour government pushed prices so high that only landlords and bankers could afford them.

I was talking about council/social house renters. I lived in a mining area with similar terraces and they were bought and paid for by people who had been allowed a bigger chunk of the pie which unions forced on the elites/their spivs in Govt till Thatcher, Tebbit etc destroyed the unions.

You aint lernt nuffink if you just think just labour were involved with HP rises.

How did proles get hold of huge multiples of earnings they were 'lured' into borrowing to make casino bids on buying a home?

There was/is a hidden Fabian-marxist-zionist subset shoehorned into all political parties to enable the dismantling/destruction of White UK christian based culture

(which is so powerful it can knock out everyone else eventually deemed "not-fair" by the indigenous Brits/Yank cousins) - which is why semi-veiled watering the country down with Multi-Culti and dumbing down/persecuting especially the white population)

If we are getting feral eastern european (many are convicts)

Think exact parallel the ones in charge of USA are up to watering down/persecuting yank white culture with feral mexicans (drugs violence guns etc)

Cos their cults have come to forefront of public attention they have started the crackdowns on information dissemination under EU porn + british govt leveson excuses (shutting down freedom of speech on all internet and newspapers)

Obama and his zionist elite class are breaking the US fundamental laws to confiscate and introduce new gun laws.

If you cant figure anything out from the truth above - well :rolleyes:

If you still dont believe me ask yourself this - why do the Zionists get our (90%+ Christian)troops to fight their dirty wars killing and stirring up the middle east

?

Do you not think that Jews cameron and Osborne etc are attempting to arm Syrian Islams (with our weapons and equipment since when have they been 'al_lies') to create a massive pre-armed war force in near future?

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If you cant figure anything out from the truth above - well :rolleyes:

If you still dont believe me ask yourself this - why do the Zionists get our (90%+ Christian)troops to fight their dirty wars killing and stirring up the middle east

?

Do you not think that Jews cameron and Osborne etc are attempting to arm Syrian Islams (with our weapons and equipment since when have they been 'al_lies') to create a massive pre-armed war force in near future?

"Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA. Robin Cook, Foreign Secretary in the UK from 1997–2001, and Leader of the House ... CIA had provided arms to the Arab Mujahideen, including Osama bin Laden, writing ... Scholars and reporters have called the idea of CIA-backed Afghan Arabs "

Who run the CIA as their personal dirty ops weapon?

Jun 12, 2012 – The CIA has continued its ferociously pro-Jewish/pro-Zionist policies to the present day. ...

Jewish terrorists dynamited the British-owned Shell-Mex oil tanks in Haifa

Many Syrian Terrorists Come from Libya

(and ?Cameron is going to throw billions in UK arms at them???????)

5th columnista????

The U.S. supported opposition which overthrew Libya's Gadaffi was largely comprised of Al Qaeda terrorists.

According to a 2007 report

by West Point's Combating Terrorism Center's center, the Libyan city of Benghazi was one of Al Qaeda's main headquarters – and bases for sending Al Qaeda fighters into Iraq – prior to the overthrow of Gaddafi:

Uk leaders armed + trained Afghans (during ruskie invasion) who use their training/knowledge to blow up todays troops!

Were those 'leaders' of past other masked zionists?

If so they kill English

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"Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA. Robin Cook, Foreign Secretary in the UK from 1997–2001, and Leader of the House ... CIA had provided arms to the Arab Mujahideen, including Osama bin Laden, writing ... Scholars and reporters have called the idea of CIA-backed Afghan Arabs "

Who run the CIA as their personal dirty ops weapon?

Jun 12, 2012 – The CIA has continued its ferociously pro-Jewish/pro-Zionist policies to the present day. ...

Jewish terrorists dynamited the British-owned Shell-Mex oil tanks in Haifa

Many Syrian Terrorists Come from Libya

(and ?Cameron is going to throw billions in UK arms at them???????)

5th columnista????

The U.S. supported opposition which overthrew Libya's Gadaffi was largely comprised of Al Qaeda terrorists.

According to a 2007 report

by West Point's Combating Terrorism Center's center, the Libyan city of Benghazi was one of Al Qaeda's main headquarters – and bases for sending Al Qaeda fighters into Iraq – prior to the overthrow of Gaddafi:

Uk leaders armed + trained Afghans (during ruskie invasion) who use their training/knowledge to blow up todays troops!

Were those 'leaders' of past other masked zionists?

If so they kill English

Anywaaaaaay, where were we..?

Oh yes, the 70s! Wonderful decade! Great music, lots of fun..

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Anywaaaaaay, where were we..?

Oh yes, the 70s! Wonderful decade! Great music, lots of fun..

Conservatives had already started the alphabetical conscript lists - loads to be forced to fight in Falklands!

Incidentally, Gaddafi was on the verge of invading Benghazi in 2011, 4 years after the West Point report cited Benghazi as a hotbed of Al Qaeda terrorists.

Gaddafi claimed – rightly it turns out – that Benghazi was an Al Qaeda stronghold and a main source of the Libyan rebellion.

But NATO planes stopped him, and protected Benghazi.

Al Qaeda = CIA Zionist trained war/terrorist mongers to stir up armaments/war machine sales for already hyper-rich elites to frighten the sheep with

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