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Or electronics you plug in to recharge in the evening selectively recharges starting at 3am not 8pm when you plug it in, or loaded dishwashers, tumble driers and washing machines that activate in a similar fashion.

Irrespective of whether we go green or not, smart metering and demand management is a very good thing.

I can't think it's a good thing to use white goods as you have said. A lot of people suffer from enough neighbour noise pollution as it is. I am fortunate in having considerate neighbours but if they were to run their washing machine/tumble drier overnight it would waken me and prevent me from sleeping as I live in a block of terraces and sound really does travel at night. A nightmare scenario in my book.

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I can't think it's a good thing to use white goods as you have said. A lot of people suffer from enough neighbour noise pollution as it is. I am fortunate in having considerate neighbours but if they were to run their washing machine/tumble drier overnight it would waken me and prevent me from sleeping as I live in a block of terraces and sound really does travel at night. A nightmare scenario in my book.

Also you have to consider the fire risk of an appliance running while you are asleep, especially as in rural areas fire cover has been cut to the bone.

If this was to be implemented then serious questions need to be asked about the price rises and falls we have had over the past 3 years, all along the energy companies have tried to state that rises in particular are not linked to wholesale oil/gas prices as they buy 3-6 months in advance.

If that is the case what is the justification for charging different amounts on a daily/hourly basis. Okay you have to have more power plants up at short notice but this isn't as much problem for gas/nuclear as it is for coal and is a non issue for hydro-electric.

Also surely the maximum demand would not be from home consumers but business' during the day.

Basically in my opinion it is smoke and mirrors again being used to justify more profiteering. Either that or there has been very little investment in the current network and now we are going to suffer for short sightedness.

Having just had a power cut for all off Saturday, it is not an experience many are going to be able to put up with even when prepared.

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I can't think it's a good thing to use white goods as you have said. A lot of people suffer from enough neighbour noise pollution as it is. I am fortunate in having considerate neighbours but if they were to run their washing machine/tumble drier overnight it would waken me and prevent me from sleeping as I live in a block of terraces and sound really does travel at night. A nightmare scenario in my book.

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So lets see what the renewables industry VI sock puppets have to say about this:

Economy 7 caused the Cuban missile crisis. True.

Yeah, but he's a ****.

It's worth noting that Dellingpole is a total c**t. So anything he says should be taken with an ocean's worth of salt.

Next you need to make a post on how it's really the lizard people controlling the socialists brains, in order to use earth as an experimental laboratory.

OH MY GOD! WINDMILLS EVERYWHERE! SOCIALIST GREENIE LEFTY WINDMILLS COMING TO EAT OUR FREE MARKET BABIES! SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!!!

James Delingpole is an absolute muppet IMHO.

:rolleyes:

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Nice bit of cherry picking there Goat. Ever thought of an alternative career in tree horticulture? ;)

:rolleyes:

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Once the energy suppliers are given control over scheduling your own electrical equipment it will become open season for their profiteering.

You can generally tell a policy is evil when both left and right support it.

The right support it because it allows their mates in energy companies to make a killing. The left support it because they want to use it to turn off power to those who won't go along with their plans.

No-one else benefits.

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Smoking? I've given up. House prices are never going down, the news is entertainment and propaganda, medicine doesn't cure, illegal wars will continue on, our food supply is being patented, our air is being polluted, our politicians are scumbags, our bankers are on benefits, our public sector is unfunded, the nhs doesn't work because the drugs don't work, our energy bills only ever go up, our taxes only ever go up, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, the productive get lazy and the lazy get lazier, our population is ageing, yadda yadda yadda. We are well and truly f-ed and no one gives a damn and if they do they are labelled idiots.

This is not a new take on life. I direct you to the positive thread.

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As usual the nutty liberal left are totally oblivious to the economic implications of their Grand Plans.

If you herd everyone into using 'off-peak' electricity then off-peak suddenly becomes on-peak and prices remain the same.

But its not about off-peak pricing or 'smart' use really though, is it? Its about subjecting the rest of us to their ecological religion, and even if this means energy rationing so be it, you can't make a self-righteous utopian omelette without breaking a few eggs and all that.

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The horror! The horror! God forbid that the price of a service might vary, thus sending price signals to the end user! God no. In the new United Soviet Socialist Kingdom, every serf is equal, everyone must use as much electricity as they can and then be punished for not using more! T-shirts indoors in the winter? Why are you wearing a T-shirt comrade? G-strings have been mandated by the Bureau of Advertising this season!

I think you've missed the point.

Theres nowt wrong with price signals, but ecologicals want to artificially inflate the price of energy with 'renewable' generation instead of conventional and impose rationing when there's absolutely no need for it.

They care more about how many carbon dioxides are in the sky than people, they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the energy grid!

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As usual the nutty liberal left are totally oblivious to the economic implications of their Grand Plans.

If you herd everyone into using 'off-peak' electricity then off-peak suddenly becomes on-peak and prices remain the same.

But its not about off-peak pricing or 'smart' use really though, is it? Its about subjecting the rest of us to their ecological religion, and even if this means energy rationing so be it, you can't make a self-righteous utopian omelette without breaking a few eggs and all that.

The goal of government should be to provide as much energy to the poeple for as cheep as possible. This should equally apply to any basic need be that housing, transport, water etc. What we have currently is government that does not act in the interests of the poeple, but in the interests of corporations, the green energy scam is merely an extension of this.

To all the global warming climate change zealots that frequent this site I challenge you to show me any empirical evidence that the burning of fossil fuels has produced any significant change in the earths climate without resorting to evidence that is produced by computer models.

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The goal of government should be to provide as much energy to the poeple for as cheep as possible. This should equally apply to any basic need be that housing, transport, water etc. What we have currently is government that does not act in the interests of the poeple, but in the interests of corporations, the green energy scam is merely an extension of this.

To all the global warming climate change zealots that frequent this site I challenge you to show me any empirical evidence that the burning of fossil fuels has produced any significant change in the earths climate without resorting to evidence that is produced by computer models.

What it comes down to is the good old-fashioned cost benefit analysis.

Conventional energy production is reasonably cheap so environmentalists like to exaggerate the costs by claiming its responsible for 'extreme weather' (even though 'hostile' weather is a feature of 99.9% of the universe), conversely wind power etc is exorbitantly expensive and unreliable but apparently the use of windmills is going to prevent some unspecified environmental breakdown at some point in the future, so actually it offers quite a huge saving.

Its all a load of rubbish really. I wish they'd just bog off back to their communes and make peace with Gaia by knitting and complaining about the evils of capitalism. They certainly shouldn't be determining energy policy.

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