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This is a new Web site I think - had a quick look at the suggested solutions to the housing crisis - (1) Only build houses for locals and (2) Land Trusts. I really wasn't impressed - and the general content was of concern - what do you make of it?

http://www.notenglish.com

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This is a new Web site I think - had a quick look at the suggested solutions to the housing crisis - (1) Only build houses for locals and (2) Land Trusts. I really wasn't impressed - and the general content was of concern - what do you make of it?

http://www.notenglish.com

I think the rich English tourists should boycott Wales for a few years and see how many of the locals survive.

Same with Cornwall - boycott.

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This is a new Web site I think - had a quick look at the suggested solutions to the housing crisis - (1) Only build houses for locals and (2) Land Trusts. I really wasn't impressed - and the general content was of concern - what do you make of it?

http://www.notenglish.com

Having houses that are for locals only is a really bad idea. It stops people moving around the country, or at least gives you an enormous financial penalty for moving, because you can't buy the affordable housing for locals in your new location. It also makes it hard to sell your house, because the pool of local people who you are allowed to buy it to may be quite small. I also don't like the whole notion of "Let's give someone a big pile of money (or something of equal value, like the chance to buy a cheap house in a great location) just because they were born in the right place."

Banning holiday homes is also difficult unless you're going to unleash the bedroom police, checking where everyone sleeps each night. Otherwise, there's nothing to stop a couple declaring two different principal residences.

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This is a new Web site I think - had a quick look at the suggested solutions to the housing crisis - (1) Only build houses for locals and (2) Land Trusts. I really wasn't impressed - and the general content was of concern - what do you make of it?

http://www.notenglish.com

With apolgies to Gruff, any nation which defines itself substantially by its antipathy to another is doomed to be third-rate. And the Jocks can take a running jump as well.

BA (proud to be 2nd rate English)

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These sort of people that claim to be ethnically pure really crack me up. :lol:

Oh well, perhaps I am just jealous as my heritage is English, Irish, French, Scottish. Perhaps I should start a site called notwelsh.com !!! :lol:

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With apolgies to Gruff, any nation which defines itself substantially by its antipathy to another is doomed to be third-rate. And the Jocks can take a running jump as well.

BA (proud to be 2nd rate English)

succinctly put. The same applies to the (thankfully limited) number of English who seem to have a problem with the French/Germans/Uzbeks/whatever

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once you step over the 'border' things are very different ?

not.

come off it. its no different that bradford or blanford forum.

acting as if its a different country ect. its utter tosh.

Have to disagree with you there. In N Wales there are many areas where Welsh is the first language; and it's not just the old stagers either. You can sit in a pub and there are young people there rattling away in Welsh. You can't blame people for wanting to hold on to that culture.

My objection is not to the Welsh per se (as the great grandson of a Beaumaris boatbuilder it would be irrational), but to the visceral hatred felt by many Welsh people (and not just in the Welsh-speaking areas either) to the English. It's not funny and it's not clever. Particularly when the main source of income is English tourism and English public spending.

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There's definitely an identity crisis here. I think you'll find that most Welsh people are of very mixed heritage. I remember researching the background of one of my ancestors a few years back - ended up that they had Viking, Flemish, Irish, English and Welsh roots. Perhaps I should get a few more people round here interested in genealogy? It might broaden their horizons.

The founder of Cymuned, the organisation that made the notenglish.com Web site was Simon Brooks, from England (or 'Seimon' Brooks as he's now known). Think he became 'super-Welsh' when he was at University.

I remember some thug abusing me - calling me a ****** Englishman, etc., a few years ago - he was a visitor to the town I was working in (where I've had family for at least 1000 years incidentally). I'm Welsh but didn't have the right accent in his opinion. Depressing.

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Have to disagree with you there. In N Wales there are many areas where Welsh is the first language; and it's not just the old stagers either. You can sit in a pub and there are young people there rattling away in Welsh. You can't blame people for wanting to hold on to that culture.

well reconsider.

why do they rattle in welsh ? coz their racist anti english parents taught them it and it was utterly promoted through local sepratist government. its no seperate that newcastle is to sunderland. breeds corruption and hate and welsh youth crowing the dead language out of the box where they can for the pleasure of their parents wastes not only their time, but it wastes that part of the uk to otherwise competitive industries.

My objection is not to the Welsh per se (as the great grandson of a Beaumaris boatbuilder it would be irrational), but to the visceral hatred felt by many Welsh people (and not just in the Welsh-speaking areas either) to the English. It's not funny and it's not clever. Particularly when the main source of income is English tourism and English public spending.

granted. im nordic. perhaps i should take to wearing a hat with horns on it and speaking hurdy gurdy.

my own view. ethnicness bullcrap is simply tourism taken too seriously.

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With apolgies to Gruff, any nation which defines itself substantially by its antipathy to another is doomed to be third-rate. And the Jocks can take a running jump as well.

BA (proud to be 2nd rate English)

Each ethnic group has good and bad apples.

Making the incorrect assumption that the Welsh nation “defines itself substantially by its antipathy to another” is a gross prejudged generalisation. Within a few clicks I could access some English based site, which displays vitriol towards Germany/USA/France. I do not have a mind small enough to assume that all English are of the same opinion. I implore you to broaden your horizons and reason in the same manner. My apologies if this was not your intended point but merely the result of your quick emotional wording.

Regards.

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I think the League of Gentlemen ably demonstrates the problems of "This is a local shop/pub/etc for local people".

I like Wales - also it's people but there's a sense of sadness about the place (particularly North Wales where I lived for 6 years). Kinda like most people's get-up-and-go has got up and gone. And a significant minority are rather insular in their outlook.

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well reconsider.

why do they rattle in welsh ? coz their racist anti english parents taught them it and it was utterly promoted through local sepratist government. its no seperate that newcastle is to sunderland. breeds corruption and hate and welsh youth crowing the dead language out of the box where they can for the pleasure of their parents wastes not only their time, but it wastes that part of the uk to otherwise competitive industries.

granted. im nordic. perhaps i should take to wearing a hat with horns on it and speaking hurdy gurdy.

my own view. ethnicness bullcrap is simply tourism taken too seriously.

You are an embarrassment to your fine fellow nationals.

I think the League of Gentlemen ably demonstrates the problems of "This is a local shop/pub/etc for local people".

I like Wales - also it's people but there's a sense of sadness about the place (particularly North Wales where I lived for 6 years). Kinda like most people's get-up-and-go has got up and gone. And a significant minority are rather insular in their outlook.

It's an unfortunate trait of the human race. I have witnessed the ‘local-shop-for-local-people’ trend in many countries. It happens everywhere equally, with no exceptions. Any one who would pretend their own culture differs lives in a dream state.

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I remember some thug abusing me - calling me a ****** Englishman, etc., a few years ago - he was a visitor to the town I was working in (where I've had family for at least 1000 years incidentally). I'm Welsh but didn't have the right accent in his opinion. Depressing.

You are spot on gruffydd. We are judged by our accents because that is the only way these bigots can tell us apart. Your heritage or bloodline does not matter a damn these stupid racist thugs.

Speaking as someone who also has the wrong accent, I find that most people just accept me for who I am, which is great. That is, until the next Rugby or Football championship comes along, which is followed by all the pathetic tribalism - disguised as patriotism.

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My grandfather had his language banned at school. Even in the playground kids were forbidden from speaking th language. They could even be beaten, although you could be beaten for anything in those days.

Do you think Castillians spend their time whining-on that it's unfair how in Catalonia it's a good idea to speak Catalan and, hey, might even look good on the CV? It was only the well-known fascist Franco that was obsesed with subjugating the other languages and cultures. Totalitarians hate rich and varied local cultures as it's far harder to impose your one state-sanctioned monolculture, whether that be fascism, stalinism, or neoliberal globalisation.

Everything this groups says about mcdonldisation, how celebrate 'inward investment' often is nothing more than a hollowing out excercise, the fact that brainless poverty jobs are no better than unemployment, that local communities should fight about against external exploitation by big business rings true.

However, if you want people to be geographically mobile and have affordable homes in their area second home ownership and property speculation should be punitively targeted and credit tightened.

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(do we deserve...)

- To have the lowest GDP in the British Isles?

- To have some of the highest levels of sickness and unemployment?

- To be working in low-paid, low-skilled jobs that we can lose at a moment's notice?

- To see our house prices spiralling out of control until our young people can't afford to buy homes in their own communities?

Does anyone see the dichotomy here?

My grandfather had his language banned at school. Even in the playground kids were forbidden from speaking th language. They could even be beaten, although you could be beaten for anything in those days.

Hrm, remind me of a Harrovian asking for directions in the wrong part of London.

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Do you think Castillians spend their time whining-on that it's unfair how in Catalonia it's a good idea to speak Catalan and, hey, might even look good on the CV? .

Actually Castillians do complain about the pro-Catalan bias an Catalonia. Slightly different to Wales as Catalonia is a wealthy area where outsiders have moved for work.

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Actually Castillians do complain about the pro-Catalan bias an Catalonia. Slightly different to Wales as Catalonia is a wealthy area where outsiders have moved for work.

I used to live in Madrid, but went on a trip to Barcelona once. Hearing my foreign-accented dodgy Spanish, the Catalan locals would all speak to me in Spanish, and were very friendly. However, my Spanish friends from Madrid had a very different experience indeed. Whenever they went into a shop and someone heard my friends' Madrid-accent Spanish, the locals would refuse to speak anything but Catalan, which the Madrid folks couldn't easily understand.

On a related note. Being a 4th generation descendent of immigrants to London, I am from a vaguely ethnic minority sort-of, with a non-British looking complexion. At primary school other kids would sometimes refer to me as non-English, which I did not really mind. At age 18 I went to uni in Scotland. Hey presto, I got off the train and people are going on at me that I'm English again....

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Actually Castillians do complain about the pro-Catalan bias an Catalonia. Slightly different to Wales as Catalonia is a wealthy area where outsiders have moved for work.

Pro-catalan bias? Isn't being able to speak the local language a good skill to have? All sorts of jobs require local knowledge. Barging in expecting to ride roughshod over local ways isn't going to win many friends. Many Spanish people are very proud of the regional differences, although of course the inter-region rivalries and jokes are the same as anywhere.

It's different to those English in Wales who would gleefully see Welsh de-officialised, kicked out of schools, etc.

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The Welsh "Anti-english" vitriol proves one thing, they are the most balanced people in the British Isles, they have a chip on both shoulders.........................

Give them Freedom, and the Jocks too. They'll be back within 5 years. Fact is they get disproportinately more money per head than England anyway, if that stopped, they'd be right up the creek!!!!!!

And for those Scot's who say "We have all the oil" WRONG!! If you follow the border convention used for originally dividing up the North Sea between UK, Norway, Holland, Denmark and Germany for Oil and Gas exploration, then most of the remaining good oil fields in the Central North Sea and ALL of the Gas fields would be in "English" Waters!!!!

So let's get facts right!!!!

Kevino

BRITISH and proud...................

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I love North Wales and go there a lot. I also feel sad when I see small villages and towns looking tired and rundown. There are problems in Wales, some of it is caused by people buying holdiay homes - pricing locals out of the market and leaving these homes empty for most of the year.

But I have just read that website and TBH they are complaining about the same problem that is effecting every part of the UK.

I'm priced out of the housing market - I don't like Tescos and Walmart dominating every town or the McJobs that too many people are pushed into and told to be grateful they have a job at all.

This site is just looking for someone to blame and they have turned on the English.

Sorry "it's the economy stupid"

The difficulty in parts of Wales is that they want all the trappings of modern living while continuing to live in small villages in the middle of nowhere.

Well you can't have both.

Wales is an excellent trousit place and it should look to capitlise on this more and attract money into it's economy.

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How can you hate them, just think of the Welsh film industry:

* 9 1/2 Leeks

* Trefforest Gump

* Cwmando

* The Lost Boyos

* An American in Powys

* Huw Dares Gwyneth

* Dai Hard

* The Wizard of Oswestry

* Cool Hand Look-you

* Sheepless in Seattle

* The Eagle has Llandudno

* The Magnificent Severn

* Haverfordwest Was Won

* Austin Powys

* The Magic Rhonddabout

* Independence Dai

* The Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch That Time Forgot

Truly a great nation 'isn't it'

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Give them Freedom, and the Jocks too. They'll be back within 5 years. Fact is they get disproportinately more money per head than England anyway, if that stopped, they'd be right up the creek!!!!!!

Do people still buy this? It's the late '80s, Thatch is in trouble. With one fell swoop, she could offer an independence referendum to Scotland, thereby getting shot of 60 opposition MPs at the cost of 12 of her own, and save her government enough from this apparently "massive subsidy" to cut taxes by about 5% in England. But because of her well publicised love for the poor Scots, she was "not minded" to grant any form of devolution?? Yeah, right....

And for those Scot's who say "We have all the oil" WRONG!! If you follow the border convention used for originally dividing up the North Sea between UK, Norway, Holland, Denmark and Germany for Oil and Gas exploration, then most of the remaining good oil fields in the Central North Sea and ALL of the Gas fields would be in "English" Waters!!!!

So let's get facts right!!!!

Ahem..care to back up this "fact" with a few links?

An interesting article on the subject from Scotland on Sunday...

In fact, all the calculations about who gets what slice of the public cake are based on what the Treasury warlocks call "identifiable expenditure". But identifiable expenditure is far from being the whole story. According to the white paper on the government's expenditure plans, the identifiable expenditure for 1988-89 was £129.83bn, of which Scotland's share was £14.291bn (or 11%). But the UK's total public spending was £161.617bn, leaving a whopping £31.780bn "not identified". So where did all these billions go? All the evidence suggests that much of it (and probably most of it) went into London and the south-east.

This is easily explained. Almost £19bn of the £31.7bn went to make up the budget of the Ministry of Defence which is overwhelmingly based in the south-east (and to a lesser extent the south west) of England. Another £2.5bn went to make up the budget of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office which, apart from the notorious GCHQ in Cheltenham, is exclusively rooted in London and the south-east.

Another three of the "not identified" billions went into what the Treasury labels "miscellaneous expenditure", and goes on to explain as "activities required for the general maintenance of government such as tax collection, registration of the population and contributions to the European communities". Which in effect means that the cash was swallowed up by the Customs and Excise, the Board of the Inland Revenue, and the Office of Population Censuses and Surveys most of whose operations are located in the south-east.

But precisely how much public money is sunk into Britain's most affluent corner must remain a mystery, because the government says it does not know. While every penny of public money spent in the "economic region" known as Scotland can be accounted for, spending figures for the eight regions of England are not collected (or at least not published).

It is not that public spending is invisible in London. One of the most powerful characteristics of London's economy is the presence of central government, in all its ramifications. There are more than 20 government departments, ranging in size from the giant Ministry of Defence (140,000 civil servants) to the tiny Office of Arts and Libraries (58 civil servants), which is public spending pure and simple. At the last count (in April 1989) there were 216,000 civil servants working in and around London - 38% of the UK total. What the Treasury's figures do not reveal, however, is the proportion of the 50,000 or so top (SEO and "open structure") jobs which are located in and around London. "Almost all of them" is the view of one Whitehall insider.

the whole article is online at alba.org under "scotching the myth"

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