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I reckon that the very desire to become a politician should make you immediatly unsuitable to ever be allowed to become one.

And my father always said that that no matter how bad the conservatives are.. Labour would make you think that they were out to destroy you personally until at the end of their government you would discover that they were infact destroying the economy..

He also said that if you felt good under labour... you would be the one at the end to suffer.. The guy who got clobbered all the way through the government was only paying enough attention to survive the turmoil.

but... What I would like to see is a government who looks toward ballence..

Who understands that no inflation chokes the economy..

That low interest rates kill growth and investment.

actually.. I won't go into details...

I just want a government who looks toward a sustainable future..

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I dont know what political party best suites my disposition.

I like a gentle considerate society, where you dont have to lock doors, where there is no threat of violence. I would want this to happen by hideous punishments. Capital punishment would take on a new understanding.

Serial Murder,rape - death

Prison is to be a violent unpleasnt place - regular beatings / breaking of bones.

To hell with tolerance, if the person proves themselves to be scum, dispatch a dose of medevilism on them.

Sounds like Communism - I kid you not.

There are a few 'Eastern blockers' where I work, and when they talk about their

communist youth, they go all misty eyed, like it was the good old days.

Every body had enough to eat, enoguh money, a home.

There was little or no crime, all had a job and they were not stuck

on the treadmill of western consumerism

.

They almost always finish with - 'but of course the government was corrupt' :D

ABB

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I have to say though that I feel cheated by the current government..

It might be selfish as I know that previous governments have destroyed whole areas of the country...

Towns in wales and the north are still devasted after steel and coal.. the legacy of the conservatives..

I was driven away from my home as the strong pound crushed export manufacturing..

I made it to the south east where I worked long hours.. and studied so that I managed to increase my salary by 2.5 times inside two years..

and I watched my dream of a home get ripped away from me to pay for mistakes and wars we didn't ask for or need..

and now I watch as the economy unzips...

and nothing that is happening now is anything but innevitable.

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I think the northern european/ aeroplane analogy suits my

feelings the best. But I guess we'll just muddle along, making

it up as we go along. Also I think the way the monarchy now

operates across there seems preferable to any of the alternatives

proposed here. President Blair?

Can I complete the poll after I've got my result from:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

if there is a suitable box.

What a great place this is.

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I think the northern european/ aeroplane analogy suits my

feelings the best. But I guess we'll just muddle along, making

it up as we go along. Also I think the way the monarchy now

operates across there seems preferable to any of the alternatives

proposed here. President Blair?

Can I complete the poll after I've got my result from:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

if there is a suitable box.

What a great place this is.

You most certainly can KTeetwo. :)

My original question begs another. In that how does a persons political ideals effect them towards the ownership of property?

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If you think we have true democracy in the UK you must be on drugs. Bliar got back in on 22% of the popular vote. Democracy? What democracy?

We are in a democracy. But you are correct in that it is not being used properly because of spin, confusion and apathy. The only way to make democracy work is to use it.

Of course you may say..'but there is no party for me'. Then start one.

Or you may say...'I have a party but I do not like the way it is going'. Then join it, and change it from within.

It's the only way. Sometimes demonstration is not enough.

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Hi Folks,

After reading this topic, I've just posted this thread on the off topic board, for those of you who cannot fit yourselves into any conventional political category.

It links to a webpage that tries to present a new(ish) way of categorising political views - The Political Compass

Quote:

The old one-dimensional categories of 'right' and 'left' , established for the seating arrangement of the French National Assembly of 1789, are overly simplistic for today's complex political landscape. For example, who are the 'conservatives' in today's Russia? Are they the unreconstructed Stalinists, or the reformers who have adopted the right-wing views of conservatives like Margaret Thatcher ?

Check it out some time :P

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Britain for the British.

Stop all immigration we have to much trash here already. Take benefits off all chavs and bring

back hanging.

Change all new universities back to polytechnics as done by the bloody tories and shot all new

labour voters-they are easy to pick out they drive round in red BMWs.

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Britain for the British.

Stop all immigration we have to much trash here already. Take benefits off all chavs and bring

back hanging.

Change all new universities back to polytechnics as done by the bloody tories and shot all new

labour voters-they are easy to pick out they drive round in red BMWs.

Nice measured arguement. Do you feel lonely?

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I dont know what political party best suites my disposition.

I like a gentle considerate society, where you dont have to lock doors, where there is no threat of violence. I would want this to happen by hideous punishments. Capital punishment would take on a new understanding.

Serial Murder,rape - death

Prison is to be a violent unpleasnt place - regular beatings / breaking of bones.

To hell with tolerance, if the person proves themselves to be scum, dispatch a dose of medevilism on them.

:lol::lol::lol:

Not the scandinavian model?

I don't know quite what to make of this.

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conservatives are a nasty party.

always will be.

new labour are not labour at all.

they are the new conservatives.

This is the only time I've agreed with you. I suppose I'm old labour, but without unions being out of control - which I don't think would happen again anyway. But we need some power, for God's sake. I'm also anti-globalisation. I have to say I'm more than a little freaked out that the majority on this site are tories! I'd have thought they were VIs.

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We are in a democracy. But you are correct in that it is not being used properly because of spin, confusion and apathy. The only way to make democracy work is to use it.

Of course you may say..'but there is no party for me'. Then start one.

Or you may say...'I have a party but I do not like the way it is going'. Then join it, and change it from within.

It's the only way. Sometimes demonstration is not enough.

No the person who said we do not live in a democracy because Blair got elected on 22% of the popular vote is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I have lived all my life in constituencies where my vote is effectively worthless. I have NEVER voted for an MP that got elected because the constituency system means my vote is ALWAYS WASTED.

It's the biggest mass delusion in history - the idea we live in a democracy. A democracy would weigh every vote - so proportional representation is the only system that can claim any 'democratic' merit.

If you are going to defend the present system on the basis that it produces 'strong government' (may God help us) at least be honest and admit it is undemocratic.

Nice measured arguement. Do you feel lonely?

Please turn round so we can see the key.

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This is the only time I've agreed with you. I suppose I'm old labour, but without unions being out of control - which I don't think would happen again anyway. But we need some power, for God's sake. I'm also anti-globalisation. I have to say I'm more than a little freaked out that the majority on this site are tories! I'd have thought they were VIs.

I ain't no Tory....but I do find Dave ' Gorgeous' Cameron to be highly entertaining.

...Still won't vote for the Toff though....

BTW, any Chelsea supporters ought to be ashamed that the club owner has ransacked billions from his poor motherland to live his pathetic little meaningless dream, whilst millions of Russians have nothing.

Chelsea fans should be ashamed that their team of mercenaries is killing our whole national sport of football.

No it wouldn't be lovely IMO.

Socialism is for dreamers. How will you get economic growth with socialism?

Without growth the country would slowly go down the toilet. Even New Labour have worked that one out.

I'm conservative in case you wondered...

Strangely enough, I knew instinctively that you were a Tory....Your true compassion for all things monetary gave the game away.....

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I ain't no Tory....but I do find Dave ' Gorgeous' Cameron to be highly entertaining.

...Still won't vote for the Toff though

Glad to hear it, Dude. I have to say though, the more I think of it, the more seriously freaked out I am that the majority of posters on this site are Tories. Seriously freaked out.

You're right about the Russian pimp, too.

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Don't agree Fudge.

You would not get economic growth. Imagine this in a socialist state: You own a business and make a comfortable living. Today you contemplate expansion but then you consider that you will be taking a huge risk (that might put your kids on the street if it goes wrong) and the only real monetary benefits flowing from such an expansion will be removed by the state and given to others that didnt have to endure all the risk and worry. Now, what would you do. You wouldnt expand, so no growth.

With regard to Thatchers 'trickle down' thats exactly what has happened, I dont care what any survey says. I grew - up on a council estate in the 1970s. People didnt go on foreign holls or even have a car. There was much less money around. The working class kept to their enclaves. Since Thatch the chavs are now highly visible as they have the money to be visible and freely move among society. This is as a result of them having greater access to money.

Everything we have results from commercial endeavour. Libraries, schools, streets asn sewers didnt suddely grow out of nothing, they were a consequence of capital being available as a result of millions of commercial / selfish endeavours carried out by past merchants.

Business pays Government. The Government has no money.

I often muse that leftie bohemian radical types are lucky to live in a society that allows them the luxury of spending time on such thought. If they lived somewhere that didnt have a business backbone, they would be too concerned with scratching a living to idle away hours bemoaning business.

Captialism is THE natural order. No businessman would endure health - sapping risk without due reward. Lefties ought to try putting thier house on the line to start a business and then tell thier children that all the gut - wrenching risk will benefit others (because the leftie Dad wants to re - distribute) who are'nt prepared to take such risks.

"Captialism is THE natural order..."......the dog eat dog world you espouse will one day come back to haunt you.....you may get knifed in the back by a chav high on drugs wanting to steal your fabulous car...but hey, that's just capitalism....the natural order....

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