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I'm amazed sometimes and thankful that this forum has such diverse political opinion. I believe our core values effect much of our decision making on a day to day basis, and that in turn effects our actions towards property.

Now I'm not talking about what any given political party stands for, at any given moment. Or what their policies are. I'm talking about your core values, what feels natural. Maybe its been nurtured through some experience, such as the miners strike, or being given the right to buy, or watching the rain forest disapear, or racial hatred, or bigatry, or what ever. Everyone has a personal experience, that way back has shaped their opinions, and if they've been around long enough, has maybe made them a natural supporter of some political ideal.

So I'm interested as a political animal, on where you all stand. Your basic values.

As most of you know. I'm a Tory. Some of you don't like that, that's fair enough. Its democracy. But there have been times when I've watched my party on the telly and shouted at them. Times when I thought their policies, even when they were in government were wrong. But I'm a natural conservative, and it has varying shades. I just hope that one day it will be closer to my shade.

I suspect that many of you natural socialists, have also sworn at the telly in frustration at what is the Labour government. What happened to socalism eh?

Then there are the rest of you.

So forget the party spin.

Are you a natural...and if so what?

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I'm a natural left of centre blairite and was seriously annoyed by the climbdown on public sector pensions and could see myself supporting the tories. But when Davis said his priorities for tax cuts would be inheritance, capital gains and stamp duty, it reminded me why I am a lefty.

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Good question,

I don't think that Nu Lab are a socialist party anymore,

though they could head back that way when Blair goes.

Actually, I'm not sure the labels of any of the main

parties reflect their current stances.

Communism looks quite good on paper, but is rarely pracitsed by

communist regimes - with the possible exceptions of Cuba and

previoulsy China.

I guess it is a similar question to what is your religion, and what church

do you go to? There are two different sets of answers

i.e. many church goers are not really Christians etc.

ABB

Edited by AgeingBabyBoomer

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I was going to post...

Then I saw the imperial alien theocracy option.

Well, I've never tried it, so how do I know for sure I wouldn't be one of them?

So I'm just off out to see if I can find a party along these lines, see what I think of their manifesto, then I'll be back to vote ;)

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I'm "New Conservative"... a Conservative (as in people should be responsible for themselves, not the state).. a bit Environmentalist (I recycle, don't have a car).. but definately not a "Monarchist" nor "Nationalist".

There's no party that totally represents my views... conservative is probably the closest… but with a bit of a green tinge :ph34r:

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I think for most people their own political beliefs have begun to diverge from their natural political home. For traditional Labour supporters I suppose it came about with the death of John Smith in May 94. The shift to the centre ground by Bliar left alot of voters marooned in a similar way to how the Conservative is probably see by many as not being right-wing enough in many areas. I vote Conservative but if I could write a manifesto it would be:

1) Reduce benefits to a bare minimum to encourage the career claimants to go back into the workforce. Use part of the savings to increase the benefits of those in obviously genuine distress.

2) Curb immigration. Ignore the hysterical shrieking of the left. Hundreds of thousands of immigrants doing minimum wage work will not provide for their own pensions never mind anyone elses. In addition, it is doubtful that the social infrastructure is there to cope with this influx.

3) Slash the public sector workforce. Private sector are paying for this largesse, it isn't free. With the money saved cut income tax so that those who earn a wage get to keep more of it.

That'll do for now I think. And I standby for hysterical rantings from all you looney lefties.

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I'm "New Conservative"... a Conservative (as in people should be responsible for themselves, not the state).. a bit Environmentalist (I recycle, don't have a car).. but definately not a "Monarchist" nor "Nationalist".

There's no party that totally represents my views... conservative is probably the closest… but with a bit of a green tinge :ph34r:

7 votes for us Tories :o I'm shocked. I thought at this time of night this poll...my first would die a death. either that or was expecting to be trolled.

But yes sometimes people don't fall into simple categories. I once went on a sponsored walk to save some trees for the WWF and adopted a tree in the rain forest.

But I'm a conservative, at heart. Not into being vegetarian and I do go out and kill rabits and eat them. But I'm well aware of environmental issues.

Thing is, ideals get highjacked. <_<

I was going to post...

Then I saw the imperial alien theocracy option.

Well, I've never tried it, so how do I know for sure I wouldn't be one of them?

So I'm just off out to see if I can find a party along these lines, see what I think of their manifesto, then I'll be back to vote ;)

World domination. I know I am visited in the middle of the night by them...oh crap just seen one at the window. I actually think they are a mixture of communists and capitalists with the imperialism bit...conquering thrown in. :o

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No apathetic social libertarian option?

Oh you mean the 'can't be ars * d to go out and vote brigade'

Well it would defeat wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

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I'm "New Conservative"... a Conservative (as in people should be responsible for themselves, not the state).. a bit Environmentalist (I recycle, don't have a car).. but definately not a "Monarchist" nor "Nationalist".

There's no party that totally represents my views... conservative is probably the closest… but with a bit of a green tinge :ph34r:

I'm with you, an Enviroconservative.

The enviroment is the most important issue, everything else is dependant upon us having a habitable enviroment. People take the enviroment for granted. Our enviroment is a tiny spec in the vast emptiness of space, literally less than a drop in the ocean. If you lived on Mars you would come to appreciate even a simple blade of grass.

I'm conservative because in the end the best way a person can carve out a worthwhile stake in society is via thier own efforts.

State dependancy poisons peoples minds and restricts thier self - worth and the children of those reliant on welfare learn incorrect patterns of behavior thus limiting thier prospects.

Welfare is best limited to short periods for a minority of afflicted people. The best welfare programme in the world is getting a job.

The state should have a limited role. Why do socialists think a newly appointed Minister (ie someone with no particular expertise or experience) suddenly has the necessary blend of skills to run education or health?

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I'm a liberal lefty environmentalist and somewhat vegetarian.

Where I live the corner shop only sells the Guardian. :)

Edited by Nijo

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My basic values are truth, freedom, fairness and social justice therefore socialism is the obvious

choice for me. If I have my doubts that I am stupid or naive I only have to look at the world around me today which is mostly a capitalist one and look at the war, poverty, terrorism, greed and inequality.

How can anybody justify people like Bill Gates and the money they have when there are people in the world dying for want of a slice of bread.

I am 40 years old and looking at the third recession in my lifetime. I just hope I can keep in a job this time.

You only have to look in the history books over the last 150 years and see how badly treated working class

people were/are under capitalism and how every slight improvement in working conditions had to be fought

for, and how they have been gradually eroded away over the last 20 years.

So I dont think I will be voting Conservative any time soon.

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Are you a natural...and if so what?

I feel that in this day and age one's political idealogy has little influence, indeed, does it have any influence at all? In its place we appear to live by the will of consumer politics.

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How can anybody justify people like Bill Gates and the money they have when there are people in the world dying for want of a slice of bread.

I totally agree with you, but unlike you Im not a socialist because the ideals of socialism are'nt deliverable in the real world and in fact socialism acts as a dampening blanket on human achievement so the poor end up even poorer.

There are many wealthy socialists that claim to be for re - distribution of wealth, yet they dont re - distribute thier own wealth. Ben Elton and his ilk have millions. Donal Dewar (life long socialist) died with millions in the Bank. If they were true socialists, as they claim top be, why don't they redisribute 80%? Once again Human reality gets in the way of the proclamations.

BTW, any Chelsea supporters ought to be ashamed that the club owner has ransacked billions from his poor motherland to live his pathetic little meaningless dream, whilst millions of Russians have nothing.

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The enviroment is the most important issue, everything else is dependant upon us having a habitable enviroment. People take the enviroment for granted.

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I'm conservative because in the end the best way a person can carve out a worthwhile stake in society is via their own efforts.

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The state should have a limited role.

Good points, but I feel that it's necessary to retain certain controls on society - lest the environment and other positive aspects of the world get sacrificed in the name of capitalist growth.

Humanity is inherently short-sighted and self-interested, this manifesting itself as greed within society and government. The trick is to maintain a balance of power.

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I totally agree with you, but unlike you Im not a socialist because the ideals of socialism are'nt deliverable in the real world and in fact socialism acts as a dampening blanket on human achievement so the poor end up even poorer.

There are many wealthy socialists that claim to be for re - distribution of wealth, yet they dont re - distribute thier own wealth. Ben Elton and his ilk have millions. Donal Dewar (life long socialist) died with millions in the Bank. If they were true socialists, as they claim top be, why don't they redisribute 80%? Once again Human reality gets in the way of the proclamations.

BTW, any Chelsea supporters ought to be ashamed that the club owner has ransacked billions from his poor motherland to live his pathetic little meaningless dream, whilst millions of Russians have nothing.

and the Putin regime are in on it too........They've said they'll leave the oligarchs alone if they stay out of politics hence ONLY Khodorkovsky getting banged up.........Abramovich and the gang ransacked the Russsian People's most valuable assets getting these oil and gas operations for a minute fraction of their true value in secretive Dutch auctions in the late 90s which were closed to foreigners

Edited by Michael

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conservatives are a nasty party.

always will be.

new labour are not labour at all.

they are the new conservatives.

liberals are a total waste of time.

all the other little bitty partys are run by cranks.

there is no vote choice for me anymore so i dont vote.

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conservatives are a nasty party.

always will be.

new labour are not labour at all.

they are the new conservatives.

liberals are a total waste of time.

all the other little bitty partys are run by cranks.

there is no vote choice for me anymore so i dont vote.

Wouldn't it be lovely if human nature allowed true socialism to work?.............

The housing market is the one area of the economy where heavy direct government intervention is essential especially at the lower end of the market.....precisely because it is not able to function like other markets eg that for DVD players....The artificial restrictions on the supply of land in the form of planning regs are the primary distortion in the market..........I could afford the labour and materials required to build a nice detached house (say £130k) but the price of that house is more than double that owing to the price of land.......

Edited by Michael

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I was a Young Socialist back in 1980.I crossed over to the dark side in 1981.

You should have been one in the 1960s, you would have already been on the dark side. :D

Always considered myself a social democrat until the gang of four from Narrow St hijacked the title.

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Wouldn't it be lovely if human nature allowed true socialism to work?.............

No it wouldn't be lovely IMO.

Socialism is for dreamers. How will you get economic growth with socialism?

Without growth the country would slowly go down the toilet. Even New Labour have worked that one out.

I'm conservative in case you wondered...

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I don't know if I can put myself in any of these catagories. I take a bit from column A, a bit from column B, etc.

It nearly killed me to vote at the general election in May, I still hadn't decided when I got in the polling booth. I stood there so long, someone asked me if I was alright!

I suppose I'm a middle ground sort of person, but I definately can't identify with the Lib Dems of today, as I think they are more like socialists.

I'm definately not a conservative, but I like flat tax in theory (that is about all I like about the conservatives).

The party that most meets my needs at present is probably the Labour party, and they bearly meet any of my needs and I'm very worried about Gordon Brown being PM.

I'm lost!

:blink:

I suppose different times call for different types of politics, depending on what state the country is in and how world markets are performing. In the late 70's we needed a conservative goverment, but in the late 90's we needed a liberal goverment, hence Nulab. But also these parties need to evolve.

At the moment I don't think any of our 3 main political parties are equipt to run this country effectively.

The Americans had an easier choice, they still got it wrong though, anyone would have been better than Bush.

EDIT: I realise I when horrendously off subject, sorry. To answer the question I'm probably middle of the road as a rule.

Edited by laughing_goat

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