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How much will your tax have go up to line the pockets of criminals?

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4385690.stm

Meanwhile people are suffering due to problems with the system

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4294444.stm

Gordon and Tony do us all a favour, scrap them and raise the tax bands inline with rpi (backdated to 1998).

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Are we being suckered into another way of looking at positive benefits of id cards?

After all they'll do sod all for terrorism but will cut down (hopefully) on benefit fraud

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After all they'll do sod all for terrorism but will cut down (hopefully) on benefit fraud.

Almost all benefit fraud is due to people misrepresenting their circumstances and not because they claim to be someone they are not. Current estimates of benefit fraud due to impersonation are only £35 to £50 million a year. Recent independent estimates for the cost of the proposed National Identity Database and ID cards are £10.6 to £19.2 billion* -- well over 200 times more. For a tiny fraction of that cost the government could issue us with PIN numbers and/or passwords to enable us to authenticate our National Insurance numbers when claiming benefits (or starting work).

'Identity Crisis: The case against ID cards by Peter Lilley MP':

http://www.bowgroup.org/pub/IDCards.pdf

Benefit Fraud

There is a common assumption that much benefit fraud relies on claiming under false identities. I probably shared that view when I started a drive against fraud as Secretary of State for Social Security. In fact we found the overwhelming majority of fraud involves misrepresenting circumstances -- for example, claiming out-of-work benefits when working. The Government now estimates that total benefit fraud involving false identities is between £20-50 million a year which is about 2% of total benefit fraud.

The main focus should be on stopping the other 98%. But even to deal with the 2% of cases which are based on identity fraud does not require an identity card. Tightening up on the use and issue of National Insurance Numbers will help.

Unfortunately a significant element of identity fraud involves accomplices inside the DWP who would also be able to circumvent an ID card.

Also see 'UK ID scheme rides again, as biggest ID fraud of them all':

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/25/id..._mk2_fraud_con/

Department of Work & Pensions Regular readers will know the DWP has a new wild guess for this one, an impressive £50 million. In the 2002 study the ID fraud component of welfare fraud of "£2-5 billion" (a pretty tight estimate, that) was around one per cent, i.e. £35 million. Shall we let them have that one? So the score is £610 million to £35 million.

* This does not include external costs such as the expense of attending to be fingerprinted (for a professional, such as a rural doctor, it could cost several hundred pounds to take the time off work).

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Another story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4381182.stm

But the new system has come under severe criticism for being so complex that 1.8 million claimants were overpaid in 2003/04.

Many of them subsequently faced hardship after being asked to repay money they had already spent.

So 1.8 million people deliberately fiddled their tax credit? Still I guess Tony will just employ even people to sort it out.

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The question is always will the cost of an ID card system out weigh the saving it can bring in fraud et al?

A simpler tax system would save the most money and leave less options open to fraud. VAT & excise duties are some of biggest areas of fraud targeted by major criminals.

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Removing cash wouild in effect be a massive step towards big brother ... but you'd get a choice of banks rather than no choice in who provides you id cards.

Although - and I shouldn't even suggest this if nulab peeps are watching - you couldhave a id card sponsered by a company ... you know something healthy like Embbassy cigs or Mcd's or WhiteLighteningCiderCorps ..

That way you'd get an id card for free in return for that particular company being able to spam you, force you to wear logos on your clothes, put advertising on your house etc etc

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The biggest way ID cards could be made to work is to have them linked to your bank accounts, and for cash to go electronic. Then the majority of fraud will dissappear but a barter system may kick in!

However the ID will reduce the NHS holiday makers, our friends from abroad who recieve treatment from the NHS becuase they have no health insurance or the like in their own country.

The question is always will the cost of an ID card system out weigh the saving it can bring in fraud et al?

well thought out mr. rose.

personally I don't think we need ID cards at all,it's just another layer of pointless beaurocracy and creating work for work's sake....a bit like car tax.

has anybody actually figured out the cost of employing personnel/admin/judiciary to catch and prosecute non payers?.....I suspect it is quite a substantial chunk and could be better recouped by scrapping the tax and putting an extra couple of pence on petrol prices..no avoiding it then!...if you don't drive you don't pay.simple as that!

but that would just be too simple wouldn't it?!

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a bit like car tax.

has anybody actually figured out the cost of employing personnel/admin/judiciary to catch and prosecute non payers?.....I suspect it is quite a substantial chunk and could be better recouped by scrapping the tax and putting an extra couple of pence on petrol prices..no avoiding it then!...if you don't drive you don't pay.simple as that!

The new system of collecting the tax and cutting out a lot of administration is now coming on line.

Those who are uninsured with no MOT or road tax, or even a driving licence will be caught very quickly.

You no longer will have to take the required certificates to the PO to renew, you can even do it online, pay by debit card and receive the new disc in the post within 5 days.

Quite a few cars will be heading for the crusher.

Clever, Eh

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The new system of collecting the tax and cutting out a lot of administration is now coming on line.

Those who are uninsured with no MOT or road tax, or even a driving licence will be caught very quickly.

You no longer will have to take the required certificates to the PO to renew, you can even do it online, pay by debit card and receive the new disc in the post within 5 days.

Quite a few cars will be heading for the crusher.

Clever, Eh

and I must confess that the convenience of doing so is simply intoxicating - no more fannying around taking the wrong stuff to the post office and wasting half an hour

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