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The Treasonable, treacherous, pocket filling scum who love to 'LORD' it over us - outed

Semi-covertly waiting like vultures with their private health/insurance companies/directorships set in place

- to cash-in on the pickings when they dismantle the NHS and force everyone onto private insurance.

Short them another way and ruin them I say

Fantastic info - which you can easily find out if YOU DIG a little deeper

Conservative Lords

1. Lord Ashcroft: Conservative - Chairman of Chime Communications Group, whose companies include Bell Pottinger, and whose lobbying clients include Southern Cross, BT Health and AstraZeneca.

These are the following health-related companies within the Chime Communications Group: Open Health: PR for the healthcare sector. Open LEC: Healthcare Advertising and Marketing Services, the creative, advertising & brand communication practice within OPEN Health. Campaigns for Lipitor, Losec, Vioxx, Aricept, Symbicort, Atripla and Prozac. Healthcare brand development, advertising, promotional materials, brand revitalisation and digital. Open Minds: Advertising and Marketing Services in the healthcare sector. Open Plan: Global Healthcare market research and brand planning. Reynolds Mackenzie: Advertising and Marketing Services Division who's clients include the pharmaceutical industry. VCCP Health: Advertising and Marketing Services

Quote: "As a diversified communications group we see healthcare as an attractive sector in which we wish to compete strongly. The acquisition of SCL strengthens our recently established healthcare practice OPEN Health still further." - on the acquistion of the Succint Communications Ltd company Quote: "My message to the Labour Government is: stop accusing the Conservatives of wanting to privatise the NHS--we do not" - House of Lords debate on the NHS Feb 2000

2. Lord Ashton - Conservative - Shares in Marsh Inc insurance brokers and in Zurich Financial Services AG - In a review for the Department of Health of the NHS litigation Authority - written by Marsh Inc, it recommended involving opening up clinical negligence cover over to private insurers. Zurich Financial Insurers said they didn't have the expertise but the Marsh review envisaged opening up a dialogue which might eventually give them the information they needed. The DoH unsurprisingly accepted the large majority of Marsh's recommendations.

Lord Ashton also has shares in a private dental company called Smilepod Hygiene Ltd.

3. Lord Ballyedmond: Conservative - Chairman of pharmaceutical company Norbrook Laboratories.

4. Lord Bell: Conservative - Chairman of Chime Communications group, whose companies include Bell Pottinger, and whose lobbying clients include Southern Cross, BT Health and AstraZeneca. Tim Bell has a conviction for 'wilfuly, openly and obscenely' exposing himself 'with intent to insult a female' under Section 4 of the 1824 Vagrancy Act. For more on this delightful personality, which bears little relevance to the NHS but says so much about the character click here. If that isn't enough then please click here to see their attempts to work with the Ubekistan dictatorship.

5. Lord Blackwell: Conservatives - Chairman of Interserve, consultancy to NHS and private healthcare firms. Involved in PFI hospitals. Head of the Prime Minister's policy unit under John Major from 1995 to 1997 and was previously a member of Margaret Thatcher's policy unit. Was a partner with McKinsey and Company (involved in NHS bill - conflict of interest), between 1978 and 1994. Quotes on bill: We are now 10 years further on from that and it is important that the changes are not lost in the voices that will always oppose changes that are necessary to reform the way that the NHS works. I hope that, while listening to those voices, the Minister can assure us that these essential reforms will be carried through and that the period of uncertainty for the NHS will not be any longer than it needs to be before we can get to the kind of reformed NHS that we all want to see.

6. Lord Blyth of Rowington: Conservative - Senior adviser to ­investment bankers Greenhill. Former Boots Chemists deputy chairman.
Tory Donor. Stands to gain from the break up and privatisation of the NHS wants and would surely like to buy the Walk in Centres at an agreed cut-price with Cameron.

7. Lord Boswell - Conservative - Has shares in Reckitt Benckiser which produces drugs for the NHS amongst other health institutions. NHS is currently suing Reckitt Benckiser for £90 million following an investigation that ruled the company had abused its dominant position in the heartburn market. The company has just paid a fine for £10.2 million in 2010 following a ruling by the Office of Fair Trading which found them guilty of illegal anti-compative behaviour relating to their heartburn product Gaviscon. Lord Boswell's shares have in brackets household part of the company, but in the end it is the same company. He also has shares in GlaxoSmithKline PLC pharmaceuticals.

8. Baroness Bottomley of Nettlestone: Conservative - The former Conservative Health Secretary Virginia Bottomley is a Director of BUPA, the health insurance, private hospital and care group.

Quotes on bill: 'I give this Bill an unequivocal and extraordinarily warm welcome.'

'It is romantic poppycock to think that the Secretary of State should be personally involved ...'

9. Lord Brittan - Conservative - Advisor to Teijin who are a conglomerate of global companies. One part of the business is the medical and pharmaceutical business group. Teijin Home Healthcare Limited supply products to the NHS and Teijin Pharma Ltd provides pharmaceuticals to the NHS.

10. Baroness Byford - Conservative - has shares in Reckitt Benckiser (personal care). which produces drugs for the NHS amongst other health institutions. NHS is currently suing Reckitt Benckiser for £90 million following an investigation that ruled the company had abused its dominant position in the heartburn market. The company has just paid a fine for £10.2 million in 2010 following a ruling by the Office of Fair Trading which found them guilty of illegal anti-compative behaviour relating to their heartburn product Gaviscon.

Shares in GlaxoSmithKline pharmaceuticals which supply the NHS. Shares in Uniliver plc (domestic products) Unilever whose European venture capital arm Unilever Ventures joined with a company called Vectura to form a pharma arm to their company. Shares in Croda International plc which has a health division which products and has extensive links with the NHS.

11. Lord Carrington - Conservative - has shares in GlaxoSmithKline pharmaceuticals, suppliers to the NHS. shares in Unilever plc. Unilever has a European venture capital arm Unilever Ventures joined with a company called Vectura to form a pharma arm to their company. Although Lord Carrington's shares are stated as being in household products, in the end it is the same pot.

12. Lord Chadlington: Conservative - Chief executive of Huntsworth communications group with several lobbying firms. Huntsworth Health chaired a meeting on commissioning on behalf of Healthcare Communications Association, a group whose members consist of PR agencies and pharmaceutical companies. Members set to make increasing profits from the Health and Social care bill.

13. Lord Coe: Conservative - In February 2011 became Director of AMT-Sybex Group, IT supplier to the NHS. Same company that paid for a trip of former MP Robert Keys.

14. Baroness Cumberlege of Newick: Conservative - Former Tory health minister, runs Cumberlege Connections, a political networking firm that works "extensively" with the pharmaceutical industry. Used to be non-excutive director of PR firm for healthcare huntsworth PLC, of which Lord Chadlington is Chief Executive. Former executive director of healthcare consulting firm MJM healthcare solutions. Quotes on bill: 'I applaud the flexibility of the Bill.'

15. Lord Dixon-Smith - Conservative - has shares in Vodaphone group plc - Vodaphone produced a report by themselves, which showed how they can help drive efficiency in healthcare costs promoting the use of SMS texts which go via them and other mobile phone companies. South-Central ambulance service NHS trust have appointed Vodaphone UK as its communications partner.

16. Baroness Eccles - Conservative - Has shares in GlaxoSmithKline (Healthcare) - GlaxoSmith Kline. GSK is the UK's leading supplier of COPD medicines.

Quote on the bill. 'My Lords, I am delighted to support this bill.' 'I hope that this bill will initiate a sea change in the way that we approach the nation's health...'

17. Lord Edmiston - Conservative - Shareholdings in Bupa Finance plc - a Bupa director is Baroness Bottomley - Bupa provides health insurance, private hospital and care group in direct competition with the NHS. Shares in Fidelity International Ltd, which acquired Telehealth Solutions Ltd in 2011 - Telehealth have partners in the NHS and private healthcare - and has several contracts with the NHS. Has won award for work in the NHS and telehealthcare is promoted by Andrew Lansley.

18. Lord Feldman of Elstree - Conservative - Shares in BTG pharmaceuticals - BGT are a UK company that manages commercialisation activity in pharmaceuticals. BTG acquired Biocompatiibles in 2010. Biocompatibles supplies medical devices.

19. Lord Feldman - Conservative - Shares in Inverness Medical, now Alere, a global healthcare company who work with many PCTs including the 'healthcheck programme.'

20. Lord Fink - Conservative - Director of multiple companies including: The Global PR network Ltd, which covers the health and medical sector, in which he has shares. Chairman and Director of Zenith hygiene Group plc, an approved NHS supplier. Shares run independently by Lombard Odier the company in charge of his share portfolio include: Abbott Laboratories ltd (pharmaceuticals), Allianz SE, which offers medical insurance, Prudential plc, which offers private health insurance, Siemens AG, which supplies medical equipment to the NHS, Vodaphone group.

21. Lord Forsyth of Drumlean: Conservative - Sits on the board of the Centre for policy studies. Included in his biography interests are 'privatisation' and 'healthcare'. Senior adviser to ­Evercore, bank involved in huge healthcare deals. Newly appointed Senior Managing Director of Evercore Mr Maisonrouge said: 'Evercore has advised on some of the most noteworthy healthcare transactions.'

22. Lord Freeman: Conservative - The ex-health minister is chairman of the Advisory Board of ­PricewaterhouseCoopers, which claims to have "been at the heart of shaping ­[healthcare] reforms and working with clients to respond to the opportunities they present". Director of Parity Group plc - Parity group plc won a contract with NHS direct to develop and support a new Health Information Search Portal for £1.4 million. Lord Freeman became non-executive chairman in 2007.

23. Lord Garel-Jones: Conservative - MD of UBS bank, whose healthcare division earned the firm over $1billion since 2005.

24. Lord Glendonbrook - Conservative - Has shares in Ansell Ltd NPV (healthcare), Abbott Laboratories, supplies NHS with Lab equipment, reagents. Shares in Astrazeneca biopharaceuticals - The NHS is the primary customer for Astrazeneca medicines in the UK. Shares in GlaxoSmithKline Ord 25p (healthcare), GlaxoSmithKline (healthcare), Johnson & Johnson, which supplies the NHS. Shares in Novartis who threatened to pull out of the UK becaue the NHS safety trial rules. Shares in Novo Nordisk (pharmaceuticals) supplies NHS, shares in Pfizer Inc (pharmaceuticals) supplies NHS. Shares in Serco group, which has multiple contracts with NHS including PFI hospitals. Shares in Siemens AG, which supplies medical equipment to the NHS. Shares in Smith & Nephew, hip-replacement and bandaging group. Unilver plc, whose European venture capital arm Unilever Ventures joined with a company called Vectura to form a pharma arm to their company.

25. Viscount Goschen - Conservative - is paid by though it doesn't say in which capacity by Korn/Ferry International - is an international executive search firm - they run healthcare services - Among the diverse range of healthcare organisations they have secured and developed top healthcare executives for are in hospital systems, multi-specialty physician practices, pharmacy benefit management companies, long-term care/assisted-living companies, home health companies, healthcare associations, and other service delivery companies.

Vanni Treves who is a director elect of Homerton Hospital NHS Trust, is also chair of Korn/Ferry International and Intertek Group Plc.

In 1993 when Virginia Bottomley was health secretary, Korn Ferry made the news when it was revealed Oxford Regional Health Authority forked out £30,000 to Korn Ferry to find its new £80,000-a-year chief executive; Oxford District Health Authority spent pounds £60,000 to get its new chief executive and director of finance; and Oxford Family Health Services Authority paid £30,000 for a replacement chief executive.

The worst thing about this particular case is that, for one of the posts, the company did little more than place an advert in newspapers and draw up a short list.' No doubt Koln Ferry will be recruiting for the new NHS.

26. Lord Griffiths of Fforestfach: Conservative - Director of Goldman Sachs bank, provider of services to healthcare firms. Chief executive of Circle Ali Parsa was an Executive Director of Goldman Sachs.

27. Lord Hamilton of Epsom - Conservative: Has a directorship with MSB Ltd (managing consultancy), who have NHS, Bupa and CareUK listed as their clients. Care UK chairman John Nash funded Andrew Lansley's office.

Quotes: 'My Lords, surely one of the problems of the National Health Service is the wall of money that was thrown at a totally unreformed NHS by the last Government? Do we not need management consultants now to show us the way forward on the savings that need to be wrung out of the NHS so that it can survive into the future?' Hansard source (Citation: HL Deb, 13 February 2012, c556)

Earl Howe responded - Yes, we do, my Lords. Part of the benefit of the modernisation programme will be to streamline the architecture of the NHS.

28. Lord Hayhoe - Conservative - shares in Abbott Laboratories ltd (pharmaceuticals, and medical products) supplies NHS.

29. Baron Higgins of Worthing: Conservative - Holds in excess of £50,000 of shares in Lansdowne UK Equity Fund, backers of private hospital group Circle Holdings. Voted loyally.

30. Lord Hill - Conservative - Shares in Huntsworth plc - company funded the Conservative party - the founder and chairman is Lord Chadlington. Huntsworth gave £15,500 to the Conservative party in August last year and has given money every year since 2008. Following the exposure, Huntsworth were forced to admit they had given money stating the money was given by buying tickets for 'Conservative events', a classic way for lobbying to take place. Furthermore, Lord Chadlington, and his wife have personally given more than £20,000 to the local party since 2007, including a sum of £10,000 for his leadership campaign.

31. Baroness Hooper: Conservative - Until July 11, chairman of Advisory Committee of Barclays Infrastructure Funds, one of the most experienced investors in hospital PFI deals.

32. Lord Howard of Lympne: Conservative - Senior adviser to ­Hawkpoint Partners, a corporate finance firm. Provide staff to NHS and Private Healthcare providers. Lord Howard replaced Douglas Hurd in early 2011, thus keeping the connection of influence in parliament. Andrew Lansley met Hawkpoint partners for dinner on 30th June 2011. What was said?

33. Lord Hunt of Wirral: Conservative - Partner in Beachcroft, a law firm that offers incisive analysis on the full range of government, parliamentary and regulatory matters in the health sector.

34. Baroness James - Conservative - has shares in AstraZeneca (pharmaceuticals). The NHS is the primary customer for Astrazeneca medicines in the UK. GlaxoSmithKline plc (healthcare) supplies the NHS. Shares in Reckitt Benckiser Group plc, which produces drugs for the NHS amongst other health institutions. NHS is currently suing Reckitt Benckiser for £90 million following an investigation that ruled the company had abused its dominant position in the heartburn market. Serco Group (business services), which has multiple contracts with NHS including PFI hospitals. Smith and Nephew (healthcare) supplies hip replacement and bandaging to the NHS. Shares in Vodafone Group (communications) - Vodaphone produced a report by themselves, which showed how they can help drive efficiency in healthcare costs promoting the use of SMS texts which go via them and other mobile phone companies. South-Central ambulance service NHS trust have appointed Vodaphone UK as its communications partner.

35. Lord Lang of Monkton: Conservative - Director of Marsh & McLennan Companies that "help hospitals, insurers, pharmaceutical companies and industry associations understand the implications of changing policy environments". 36. Lord Lawson - Conservative - Chairman of Oxford Investment Partners whose investment management team 'has more than 50 years of investment experience with a dedicated focus on communications, healthcare and sustainability. Lawson once said 'the NHS was the closest thing the English had to a religion'. Perhaps the closet thing the Lords have to a religion is money? Oxford Capital Partners invested £550,000 in Oxitec Ltd led investments in a number of science and technology companies including several spin outs from UK universities. Our current investment portfolio includes 8 university spin outs of which four are from the University of Oxford: Avidex (drug discovery); g-Nostics (pharmacogenetics); Oxonica (nanotechnology)

37. Lord Lloyd-Webber - Conservative - Shares in Catlin Group Limited, began writing Healthcare Professional Liability insurance in London in 1994. They offer extensive knowledge of medical, healthcare and pharmaceutical markets. Shares in Smiths Group plc, which produces medical equipment. Shares in AstraZeneca (pharmaceuticals). The NHS is the primary customer for Astrazeneca medicines in the UK. Shares in Gilead Sciences, a research-based pharmaceutical company, which supplies the NHS. hares in GlaxoSmithKline (pharmaceuticals), and Johnson & Johnson (pharmaceuticals), which both supply to the NHS. Standad life, which supply Private Medical Insurance plans to both corporate and individual customers and have an extensive range of healthcare products. Raffles medical group - operates a network of 74 multi-disciplinary clinics across Singapore. Shares in Stryker Corporation orthopedic market and is one of the world's largest medical device companies. Has voted in 1.49% of votes in this House with this affiliation — well below average amongst Lords. (From Public Whip). Voted in the Health and Social care bill on commissioning.

38. Lord Macfarlane: Conservative - Has shares in Prudential plc, which offers private health insurance. Shares in Aviva plc, which offers private health care. Shares in Smith & Nephew (Pharmaceuticals) hip-replacement and bandaging group.Has voted in 6.25% of votes in this House with this affiliation — well below average amongst Lords. (From Public Whip). Voted on the Health and Social Care bill.

39. Lord Magan of Castletown: Conservative - Director of the SISK Group of healthcare companies. Member of the advisory board on Axa Private equity, which invests heavily in healthcare.

40. Lord Maples - Shares in Berkshire Hathaway Inc the company run by Warren Buffet - the conglomerate invests heavily in private healthcare companies - 6 out of their 41 stocks are in healthcare. Voted loyally on the Health and Social Care bill. Deceased 9th June 2012.

41. Lord Marland - Shares in Tristel Ltd plc - a leading provider of infection control products into the NHS. Shares in Jardine Lloyd Thompson plc - their website states 'the placing and serving of healthcare insurance...is a specialist field in which we excel.' Their insurance covers hospitals, Physician cover, Clinics, Long-term care, allied health professionals and more. Voted loyally on the Health and Social Care bill.

42. Lord McColl - Conservative - was a paid a fee as a consultant to a new private healthcare company that provides a fee-paying rival to the National Health Service's family doctor service.

Endeavour Health, which was set up by two hedge fund advisers, claims to be Britain's first comprehensive GP network, offering access to the best doctors and the opportunity to beat NHS queues and have appointments at any time they want. Endeavour Health was founded last year by two financial advisers, Briton Yadin Shemmer and American Jonathan Weiss, to compete with the NHS. http://news.bbc.co.u...ics/8209292.stm has since claimed no ties with the company.

43. Lord Moore: Conservative - Shares in Johnson & Johnson, which supplies the NHS. Merck & Co inc (pharmaceuticals, Novartis AG (pharmaceuticals), which supplies the NHS. Shares in BT group, which is one of the largest suppliers of communications to the NHS. BT was involved in the failed NHS computer system overhaul. Shares in Vodaphone group: Vodaphone produced a report by themselves, which showed how they can help drive efficiency in healthcare costs promoting the use of SMS texts which go via them and other mobile phone companies. South-Central ambulance service NHS trust have appointed Vodaphone UK as its communications partner. Has voted in only 14.53% of votes below average, but managed to vote on all the Health and Social Care ones.

44. Lord Naseby: Conservative - Was until October 2011 Chairman of and a share-holder in Invesco Perpetual Recovery Trust. Trust voluntarily wound down on October 27th 2011 - One fifth of their investments were in pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies.

Quotes on bill: 'I want to make it clear that I support the Bill. More importantly, I support the need for the Bill.'

'Finally, competition is good for any industry...Competition gives people pride and responsibility.' 45. Baron Newton of Braintree: Conservative - Advisor to Oasis Healthcare on dentistry and general healthcare matters.

46. Baroness Noakes - Conservative - Shares in BT Group (communications), which is one of the largest suppliers of communications to the NHS. BT was involved in the failed NHS computer system overhaul. Shares in Astrazeneca (Pharmaceuticals) - The NHS is the primary customer for Astrazeneca medicines in the UK. GlaxoSmithKline (pharmaceuticals) supplies the NHS. Vodaphone Group plc, Vodaphone produced a report by themselves, which showed how they can help drive efficiency in healthcare costs promoting the use of SMS texts which go via them and other mobile phone companies. South-Central ambulance service NHS trust have appointed Vodaphone UK as its communications partner.

Quotes on the bill: I hope that other noble Lords will not encourage the Government to keep any limits which constrain the NHS from maximising its assets for the purposes of the NHS.'

47. Lord Patten - Conservative - Senior Advisor for Charterhouse Development Capital Ltd - who purchased Tunstall for £510 Million in 2008. Tunstall are a Telecare provider. Tunstall provides services that allow the elderly to be able to be monitored remotely. Chief executive of Tunstall supported Andrew Lansley's bill. Following the takeover in 2008, Tunstall were awarded a three-year contract for services to NHS North Yorkshire and North. Tunstall have also been given a framework agreement to provide telecare, telehealth and telecoaching to NHS services, which forms part of Andrew Lansley's vision for developing telecare across the UK. The framework agreement began on 16th of August 2010. Has voted on 27.52% of votes in the Lords, below average amongst Lords. Voted on the Health and Social Care bill.

49. Lord Popat - Conservative - Founder of TLC group Ltd who run private care homes. Lord Popat gave David Cameron a donation as a gift for £25,000 a week after the Conservatives' unveiled their health 'reforms'. David Cameron made businessman a peer shortly after getting into ten Downing street. Voted on the Health and Social Care bill loyally.

50. Lord Ribeiro: Conservative - Adviser on hospital reorganisation to PricewaterhouseCoopers (PWC). PWC is heavily involved in consultancy services to the NHS and gets paid for setting up contracts amongst many other services.

51. Lord Saatchi - A partner and shares in M&C Saatchi plc - a marketing company. Involved in multiple campaign projects for the governement including the Change4Life project aimed at promoting healthier living to tackle obesity. M&C Saatchi also worked for PPP healthcare, AXA insurance. Saatchi have multiple pharmaceutical clients, including; Astrazeneca, Pfizer and Merck. There website says: 'We transform raw data about life-changing brands into real meaning for healthcare professionals.' Has voted in 15.33% of votes in the house - well below average. Voted on key parts of the Health and Social Care bill.

52. Earl of Selborne: Shares in Prudential, which offers private health insurance.

53. Lord Sheikh: Chairman and director of Macmillan Sheikh plc - insurance and financial services which offers private health insurance - voted loyally on Health and Social care bill.

54. Lord Sheppard - Has shares in Diageo, a drinks company who have been awarded money to teach midwives in England and Wales on the dangers of alcohol. No, you can't make it up. Lansley used to hold a directorship at Profero who had Diageo as one of their clients.

55. Lord Swinfen - Unpaid director of Swinfen Charitable Trust who have American Telemedicine Association as their partners for global crisis work using telehealth technology. Lord Swinfen is also an unpaid director of The American Telemedicine Association, which has multiple members who supply the NHS and private health care. The members according to the website: 'Play a special role in shaping the future of the telemedicine industry. The American Telemedicine Association has written a new legislative proposal to the American congress to expand the use of telemedicine. Voted loyally on Health and Social Care bill. Telecare is expanding throughout the NHS as a way of treating people from home. These companies that are part of the American Telemedicine Association are set to benefit.

56. Lord Tugendhat - Conservative: Shares in MetLife, which is America's largest life insurance company also operates in the UK. It offers accident protection for clinical health care workers, to cover specified infectious illnesses contracted at work for those who work in the UK health care industry.It also offers health insurance. Set to benefit from the Health and Social Care bill. Has voted in 25.43% of votes in this House with this affiliation — below average amongst Lords. (From Public Whip) - Voted loyally for the Health and Social Care bill. Supported large chunks of the bill, but spoke out against the top-down re-organisation.

Quotes on the bill: 'The Government's mistake was to introduce a Bill that sought to impose a massive programme of management and structural change on top of an ambitious cost-cutting programme.' Declared his interest as chairman of the Imperial College healthcare trust, but not of his shareholdings in MetLife.

Adviser to Trilantic Capital Partners, a private equity firm "active" in healthcare.

57. Lord Wade - Director, unpaid of RisingStars Growth Fund Ltd an early stage venture capital company - The fund prefers to invest in amongst other sectors, healthcare. Rising Stars Growth Fund invests in multiple healthcare companies that supply the NHS. Has voted in 28.33% of votes in this House with this affiliation — below average amongst Lords. (From Public Whip)

58. Lord Wakeham: Conservative - Advisor to L.E.K. Consulting, which specialises in helping private healthcare companies identify "growth and new business development" and "opportunities with the government".

59. Lord Waldegrave - Tory Adviser, UBS Investment Bank UBS bank, whose healthcare division earned the firm over $1billion since 2005. Fellow Tory peer Lord Garel-Jones is MD of UBS bank. Has voted in 7.88% of votes in this House with this affiliation — well below average amongst Lords. (From Public Whip) - Voted in key votes on the Health and Social care bill. Director of Biotech Growth Trust plc - which is managed by Orbimed. OrbiMed is the world's largest healthcare-dedicated investment firm, with approximately $5 billion in assets under management.

60. Lord Wasserman - Conservative - Shares in Diageo plc an alcohol drinks company who have been awarded money to teach midwives in England and Wales on the dangers of alcohol. No, you can't make it up. Lansley used to hold a directorship at Profero who had Diageo as one of their clients. Shares in Johnson & Johnson Inc, which supplies the NHS. Shares in Procter & Gamble Co, which supplies the NHS. Walgreen Company - American pharmaceutical company. For more on Walgreens. The bill will give pharmaceuticals even more diverse healthcare providers to build relationships with. Voted loyally on the Health and Social Care bill.

61. Baroness Wheatcroft: Conservative: Business Consultant, DLA Piper (legal services) a global law firm providing lobbying services to "clients in the health and social care sectors". DLA Piper, which advised ministers on the failed £12 billion IT project for the NHS. Member of the Advisory Board, Pelham Bell Pottinger (financial and corporate communications) - Bell Pottinger whose lobbying clients include Southern Cross, BT Health and AstraZeneca. For more on Pottinger see Lord Pottinger. Voted loyally on the Health and Social Care bill.

62. Lord Wolfson - Conservative - Shares in Cable & Wireless plc - Cable & Wireless solutions for the Health Sector are 'intended to meet all the communications requirements of the health service, from the largest Trusts to the smallest GP surgeries. Some offer special features, and the service levels are available exclusively to NHS customers.' The services have already been selected through the NHS procurement procedure Liberal Democrats

63. Lord Alliance: Shares in Huntsworth plc - a company whose CEO is Lord Chadlington - which £15,500 to the party in August last year and has given money every year since 2008. Denied it at first but Electoral Commission found them out. The same company that had Baroness Cumberledge as one of their non-executive directors. Heavily involved in lobbying and PR.

64. Lord Clement-Jones: Partner in DLA Piper, a global law firm providing lobbying services to "clients in the health and social care sectors". DLA Piper counts Southern Cross amongst its clients. Lord Clement-Jones nominated Lord Hameed for his peerage, a nomination supported by Lord Dholakia. Lord Hameed sits on the board of Alpha hospitals, part of the Alpha Healthcare (C&C Alpha/C&C business solutions) group. The Alpha group has made significant donations to the Liberal Democrat party. In 2008, Lord Clement-Jones was the party treasurer. The Times exposed Lord Clement-Jones as being the man who nominated Lord Hameed, after the peer had originally said he had 'no idea.' Ownership of Alpha is usually assigned to Bhanu Dhruv Choudhrie who were accused of brokering an israeli arms deal.

65. Lord Lee: Shares in United Drug plc (Pharmaceuticals) - Provide home-based pharmacy care for patients covered by the NHS as a joint venture from 2009 with Medco Health Solutions.

66. Lord Lester: Has shares in Investor AB an investment company that invests in healthcare companies amongst other sectors. One company is Gambro, a global medical technology company, which sells its products to the NHS. Voted loyally with the bill amendments.

67. Lord Rennard: Director, British Healthcare Trades Association (BHTA) - Voted loyally on the Health and Social Care bill - The BHTA's purpose, as a trade association, is to ensure that the market for healthcare and assistive technologies is competitive, profitable and well-regulated. They work in partnership with industry, government, and other stakeholders. Set up a communications company with his wife called Rennard & McTegart Ltd. through this company provides public affairs advice to the British Healthcare Trade Association. Rennard & McTegart Ltd provide management, campaign, communications and fund raising consultancy.

68. Lord Sharman: Is the chairman of Aviva, has directorship and Shareholdings in Aviva plc - his being chairman is not registered in the register of interests - Aviva sells health insurance and will likely benefit from any increase in privatisation - they promote how you don't have to have waiting times if you take out insurance with them. Dr Doug Wright, principal clinical consultant at Aviva Health UK, said "I think we could start to see waiting lists increase again, especially for some of the elective procedures that are within the traditional medical insurance territory," Dr Wright said. Earlier this month, a spokesman for the Association of British Insurers noted that health insurance could be a "very useful product" for many people in the UK to take advantage of.

69. Lord steel: Non-executive Director, General Mediterranean Holding SA is a Business group with activities in amongst other sectors Trading & Pharmaceuticals. The http://www.gmhsa.com...r.gifIndustrial, Trading & Pharmaceuticals part is split into two companies of interest. Meditech UK Ltd has software currently installed at ten medical facilities in the UK including the NHS. MEDITECH is the leading supplier of healthcare information systems in North America. The other company is Crescent Pharma Ltd which directly and indirectly supplies a wide range of major distributors and customers within the UK, including the NHS.

70. Lord Taverne: Chairman of private health insurer Axa Sun Life's monitoring board. Shares in Unilever whose European venture capital arm Unilever Ventures joined with a company called Vectura to form a pharma arm to their company. Shares in GlaxoSmithKline, who provide products to the NHS. Has shares in a company called Informa which provides authoritative research and analysis and up-to-the-minute business news, comment and events for all sectors of the healthcare, medical and life sciences communities. They present their findings to clients who then invest based on their reports. Has shares in Legal and General, which provides healthcare insurance.

71. Lord Vallance: Member, International Advisory Board, Allianz SE (insurance) - company offers medical insurance. Also Member, Supervisory Board, Siemens AG - which supplies medical equipment to the NHS. Voted loyally - and against Lord Rea's proposal of declining to give the bill a second reading.

72. Lord Watson: Chairman, Havas Media UK - MPG Media Contacts is an integrated agency, 100% owned by Havas Media. In April 2011 - MPG Media Contacts won the integrated media planning and buying account for Circle Health, the healthcare partnership that runs and builds hospitals.The account is worth just under £1m, according to MPG Media Contacts, and the scope of the work covers offline and online channels in the UK.

Circle, which became the first private UK firm to run an NHS hospital last year when it won the tender to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital, plans to build a network of 30 hospitals across the UK in the coming years.

Paul Frampton, managing director, MPG Media Contacts, said: "We're proud to be working with Circle, which does an excellent job in the Healthcare sector.

"Our primary aim will be to deliver them an integrated media strategy that will bring them real value this year." Labour Lords

73. Baroness Billingham: Regular contributions to Cumberlege Connections a training company for training NHS personnel and is a political networking firm that works "extensively" with the pharmaceutical industry.

74. Lord Carter: The head of the increasingly influential Competition and Cooperation Panel, is an adviser to Warburg Pincus International Ltd, a private equity firm with significant investments in the healthcare industry. Chairman Patrick Carter, or Lord Carter of Coles to give him his full title, was the founder of Westminster Health Care, a leading private nursing home company. He is also the Chair of McKesson Information Solutions Ltd, which delivers IT to "virtually every NHS organisation", the chair of Primary Group Ltd, a Bermudan based private equity company, and a substantial shareholder in, among other companies, B-Plan Information Systems Ltd, which has also benefited from the increased need for large scale IT systems that the introduction of an internal market to the NHS has brought with it (see the interview with Frank Wood, of King's foundation trust, where B-Plan has worked, in the last news update). Carter's register of interests in the House of Lords also lists him as an adviser to Warburg Pincus International Ltd, a private equity firm, which has significant investments in the healthcare industry. It even rescued United Healthcare from financial ruin in 1987 and helped it to become one of the largest healthcare companies in the world. He can now help it to become one of the biggest beneficiaries of the government's reforms. - http://www.corporate...h.org/?lid=3934

75. Viscount Chandos: Director of investment management company Sand Eire limited - who invest amongst other sectors, in Healthcare.

76. Lord Darzi: Labour - Former surgeon drafted into government as a health minister by Gordon Brown when he was PM. Now an adviser to medical technology firm GE Healthcare.

Quotes on bill: he would find it 'difficult at this stage' to vote for blocking the Bill...'I am speaking as a surgeon, not a politician.'

77. Lord Davies of Abersoch: A non-executive Director of Diageo. Lansley used to hold a directorship at Profero who had Diageo as one of their clients. Diageo plc are an alcohol drinks company who have been awarded money to teach midwives in England and Wales on the dangers of alcohol. Vice Chairman and partner in Corsair Capital llc, who have amongst others Axis Capital holdings in their portfolio, providers of healthcare insurance products. Shares in HSBC who are heavily involved in PFI hospitals.

78. Lord Eatwell: Economic Adviser at Warburg Pincus & Co International Ltd, a private equity firm with significant investments in the healthcare industry. Economic advisor to Palamon Capital Partners LLP, who also heavily invest in private healthcare.

79. Lord Elder: Advisor to pharmaceutical company Daval International Ltd

80. Lord Evans of Watford: Labour - Director of ­healthcare property firm Care Capital.

81. Lord Filkin: Labour - Adviser to outsourcing giant Serco, heavily involved in NHS services.

82. Baroness Ford: Chairman of private healthcare company, Barchester Healthcare Ltd. Part of the NHS Partners Network. Chairman of Grove Ltd, a holding company for for Barchester Health.

83. Lord Gavron: Has shares in Serco, Smith & Nephew plc, Diageo, Unilever, Astrazeneca, GlaxoSmithKline, Rhoen-Klinikum AG (private healthcare), Roche Holdings AG, Fresenius Medical Care AG, Sanofi-Aventis, Vodaphone Group plc, Prudential Life.

84. Lord Goldsmith: Partner in International law firm Debevoise & Plimpton LLP, whose clients include: Bayer; Bristol Myers Squibb; Forest Laboratories; Galderma; GlaxoSmithKline; Hisamitsu; Johnson & Johnson; Merck; Nestlé; Novartis; L'Oréal; Pfizer; Schering-Plough; and Tenet Healthcare, among others.'85. Lord Grocott: Trainer at Cumberlege Connections Ltd: (See Baroness Cumberlege).

86. Lord Harris of Haringey: Senior adviser to business services giant KPMG, who are heavily involved in implementing changes in the NHS and its commissioning groups Wyeth Pharmaceuticals 2001. Remunerated by Cumberlege Connections Ltd for occasional participation in training events. See Baroness Cumberlege.

87. Lord Hollick: Has shares in multiple companies involved in healthcare, which include: Diageo, Ambea, HCA, Capsugel.

88. Lord Hunt of Kings Heath: Consultant and Trainer at Cumberlege Connections Ltd: See Baroness Cumberlege.

89. Lord Hutton of Furness: Ex-health minister is an adviser to law firm Eversheds. Clients include care homes and private hospitals.

90. Baroness Jay: Occasional participation in seminars for Cumberlege Connections. Company that is a training company NHS personnel and a political networking firm that works "extensively" with the pharmaceutical industry.

91. Lord Kestenbaum: Member of the board of directors of marketing agency Profero. Andrew Lansley was a director of Profero until the end of 2009. Diageo an alcohol company was one of their clients which went onto to be awarded a contract to talk about alcohol to midwives so that they can advise Mothers. Profero have contributed to the NHS Change4Life campaign to get more people to exercise.

92. Baroness Kingsmill: Non exec director of Korn/Ferry International, an executive recruitment firm. Among the diverse range of healthcare organisations they have secured and developed top healthcare executives for are in hospital systems, multi-specialty physician practices, pharmacy benefit management companies, long-term care/assisted-living companies, home health companies, healthcare associations, and other service delivery companies. Two other peers work for them. Deputy Chairman of PricewaterhouseCoopers, which claims to have "been at the heart of shaping ­[healthcare] reforms and working with clients to respond to the opportunities they present".

93. Lord Leitch: Bupa chairman. Non Exec director of Bupa.

94. Baroness Liddell: Associate member of Bupa.

95. Lord McConnellof Glenscorrodale: Member of the advisory board to accountants and auditors PricewaterhouseCoopers. See Baroness Kingsmill.

96. Baroness McDonagh: Non Executive Director of Standard Life plc, which offers private health insurance.

97. Baroness Mallalieu: Has shares in Diageo (See Andrew Lansley), and pharmaceutical giant Reckitt Benckiser. Shares in Oryx International a closed-end investment company incorporated in Guernsey, which invests in healthcare.

98. Lord Malloch-Brown: Chairman of FTI Global Affairs an advisory firm, which helps companies in the healthcare sector amongst others. On his appointment in 2010 he said: "Lord Malloch-Brown said, "The global economy has reached a tipping point, with Western companies under great pressure to shift their footprint towards emerging markets."

99. Lord Mandelson: Senior Advisor at Lazard Ltd, an international advisory investment bank, which includes the area of healthcare.

100. Lord Moonie: Advisor for Edinburgh-based healthcare and biosecurity company Americum. Former senior advisor to pharmaceutical company Pharmathene Ltd. Lord Moonie, previously accused in cash for influence scandal.

101. Baroness Morgan of Huyton: Ex-director of failed care home firm Southern Cross. Member of the advisory Committee board for Virgin Group Holdings Ltd.

102. Lord Myners: Non-Executive Director of RIT Capital partners plc, who according to their annual report invest extensively in healthcare. Also has shares in company.

103. Lord Noon: Director of Nutrahealth plc is a holding company which is 100% owned subsidiary of Elder Pharmaceuticals Ltd, an Indian based healthcare company since November 2010. The businesses operated in the UK are Biocare, Brunel Health and Totally Nourish. Shares in Casualty Plus Ltd - private walk-in clinic.

104. Lord Puttnam: Director of Huntsworth communications group. global public relations and integrated healthcare communications group. Did not stand for the board this year (2012). Deputy chair of Profero (See Andrew Lansley). Senior Non-executive director of Promethean World plc a technological hardware company, which according to its annual reports a new division was created, which amongst other sectors included healthcare.

105. Lord Sainsbury of Turville: Has shares in multiple companies involved in private healthcare including: Becton Dickinson, Hospira Inc, Vodafone plc (See Baroness James), JP Morgan (See Lord Renwick), Quest Diagnostics Inc, Johnson & Johnson.

106. Lord Sawyer: Chair of Norlife, part of a government led initiative called LIFT, set up as partnership project in the county of Norfolk creating PFI projects, which include

107. Lord Simpson: Shares in multiple healthcare companies including Reckitt Benckiser, Standard Chartered Bank plc, GlaxoSmithKline, Vodafone plc.

108. Baroness Symans of Vernham Dean: International consultant for legal firm DLA Piper a global law firm providing lobbying services to "clients in the health and social care sectors". DLA Piper counts Southern Cross amongst its clients and advised on the failed £12 billion NHS I.T. project.

109. Lord Warner: Labour - Former adviser to Apax Partners, one of the leading global investors in the healthcare sector. Current director of Sage Advice Ltd. Works as an adviser to Xansa, a technology firm, and Byotrol, an antimicrobial company, which both sell services or products to the NHS" and was "paid by DLA Piper, which advised ministers on the £12 billion IT project for the NHS" projects that he was responsible for when he was a government minister. Lord Warner explains his role here. Crossbench Peers

110. Lord Adebowale: Non-executive director and shares in St Vincent's healthcare consulting company that offers consultancy to the healthcare market. Their partners include: BT Health, IOCOM and AXSys.

111. Lord Boyce: Non-executive director of global engineering and design company WS Atkins - who are involved in multiple PFI projects and NHS building projects including, Tayside Murray Royal Hospital, Ayrshire & Arran Community Health Trust, Cummock Community hospital, and Doncaster & South Humber healthcare.

Chairman of D Group advisory board. D Group is a business development and networking group, which according to its website is 'dedicated to generating revenues and promoting the objectives of its members.' They have over 70 members consisting of UK and International leading business, though they are not listed. However in their testimonial page one company is mentioned BT group plc, which is one of the largest suppliers of communications to the NHS. BT was involved in the failed NHS computer system overhaul. The testimonial of BT group PLC says 'The D Group provides effective and discreet access to influential thinkers and policy makers on important topics.'

112. Lord Chorley: Shares in Pharmaceutical giant Astrazeneca, private health insurance providers Prudential and Legal and General and banking group Standard Chartered, which invests in healthcare companies and offers health insurance. Shares in Reckitt Benckiser, in Unilever, and IBM, the latter supply software to the NHS.

113. Lord Currie of Marylebone: Chairman of Semperian, an investment vehicle, which owns a portfolio of mature Public Private Partnership investments, including hospitals.

114. Lord Elystan: Has bonds held in HSBC-controlled companies - According to a Times report in 2008, HSBC made almost £100 million from managing NHS hospitals where where contractors charge taxpayers inflated bills for simple tasks, such as £210 to fit an electrical socket. HSBC has a controlling stake of several hospitals, including outright ownership of three NHS hospitals, located in Barnet, Central Middlesex, and West Middlesex. HSBC used a legal loophole to handle the profits from PFI schemes to a tax haven in Guernsey. HSBC offer health insurance. Lord Elystan also hold shares in Santander which offers health insurance and funds heavily in healthcare projects and companies.

115. Earl of Errol: Chair on the Advisory board of software intelligence company Flexeye Ltd. The company develop security applications and platforms, which supplies the NHS. The Company's healthcare website says: 'Flexeye's Health Information Tool (HIP) is a communication tool designed especially for the healthcare system.' Paid by Nihilent Technologies PVT Ltd in unspecified capacity, an IT, consulting and outsourcing company. Worked on multiple healthcare projects in multiple countries.

116. Baroness Grey-Thompson: 'Advisory' work for official Olympic sponsors and pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline. The role is contractual to give internal talks to staff and PR regarding their activation programme. The programme involves, a partnership with NHS London to inspire people with a variety of long-term conditions to to understand the benefits of an active lifestyle. Has given two speaking engagements paid for by Proctor and Gamble, paid on an ad hoc basis and not contractual.

117. Lord Guthrie of Craigiebank: Member of the advisory board of Cannacord Genuity a global capital markets division of Cannacord financial Inc. Their website states: 'Cannacord Genuity focusses on public and private healthcare companies, at all stages of development.'

118. Lord Hameed: Chair of private secure mental health hospital group Alpha Hospitals, which is investing in a new acute private hospital in central London. Alpha hospitals. part of the Alpha Healthcare (C&C Alpha/C&C business solutions) group. The Alpha group has made significant donations to the Liberal Democrat party. In 2008, Lord Clement-Jones was the party treasurer. Lord Clement-Jones nominated Lord Hameed to become a peer.

119. Lord Hannay: Advisor to Frontier Strategy Group, who provide economic consulting based on emerging markets. They list multiple pharmaceutical and healthcare companies as their clients. Has shares in Lionheart Investment Fund who offer individual or group healthcare coverage.

120. Lord Hastings: Global head of Citizenship and Diversity for global tax, Audit, and advisory firm KPMG. The firm is heavily involved in the new NHS structural changes, including GP commissioning groups. KPMG's head of Global Health and advisor to Cameron famously said the NHS would be shown 'no mercy'.

121. Baroness Hayman: Has shares in Standard Chartered plc, which offers healthcare through Aviva for its customers, and general health insurance.

122. Baroness Hogg of Kettlethorpe: Chair of Frontier Economics, a consultancy that advises private sector clients on the impact of healthcare reforms and how "to shape regulatory environments".

123. Lord Jones of Birmingham: Chairman of software solutions company Neutrinos Concepts Ltd, which has run a couple of trials in NHS trust hospitals. He also has shares in the company. Senior advisor for HSBC plc and Chairman on the International Business Advisory board for the same bank. (See Crossbench Lord Elystan for more on HSBC). A senior advisor executive recruitment agency Harvey Nash Group plc. The Harvey NAsh 'Healthcare Practice' part of the site states: We support leading healthcare organisations in securing the right Executive...' Is an unpaid associate of Bupa.

124. Lord Kerr of Kinlochard: Member of the Investment advisory board of investment fund for Edinburgh Partners. A report by the group reveals healthcare as their main sector of interest representing 22.7% of their allocation.

125. Lord Kilclooney: Shares in Vodaphone - Vodaphone produced a report by themselves, which showed how they can help drive efficiency in healthcare costs promoting the use of SMS texts which go via them and other mobile phone companies. South-Central ambulance service NHS trust have appointed Vodaphone UK as its communications partner.

126. Lord Levene: Holds shares in pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline, Goldman Sachs, which is heavily involved in the healthcare sector.

127. Baroness Manningham-Buller: Has given speaking engagements for KPMG, Artemis, Merck, and Standard Chartered Bank all involved in private healthcare.

128: Lord Marshall of Knightsbridge - Chairman of Nomura International plc. Nomura code, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of Nomura Europe Holdings plc, who Lord Marshall is also a chairman is a leading European investment bank specialising in healthcare.

129: Lord Millett - Has shares in Diageo - (See Lord Wasserman). Shares in GlaxoSmithKline.

130. Duke of Norfolk - Shares in Cardionetics who sell ECG monitors. The heart monitor hardware is supplied to the NHS. Shares in Helperby Therapeutics plc, which is developing a new antibiotic processes.

131. Lord O'Donnell: Strategic Advisor to the Chief Executive of Toronto Dominion Bank, which has a healthcare area which includes health insurance cover. In addition the bank has a healthcare division covering liability. The Peer began in the Lords from 10th January 2012.

132. Lord Owen - Shares in Abbot Laboratories global healthcare company - supplies NHS with Lab equipment, reagents.

133. Lord Palmer - Shares in pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline

134. Lord Patten of Barnes: Adviser to private equity firm Bridgepoint.

135. Lord Powell of Bayswater: Chairman of the advisory board of Bowmark Capital who invest in healthcare amongst other sectors. Member of the International Advisory board for health insurance providers ACE insurance.

136. Lord Quirk: Has shares in pharmaceutical giants GlaxoSmithKline and Astrazeneca and Walgreen. For more on Walgreens. Shares in Standard chartered who offer health insurance.

137. Lord Renwick of Clifton: Vice Chairman of global Investment giants JP Morgan. his chairmanships is of both JP Morgan Cazenove and JP Morgan Europe investment banking. JP Morgan are major players in healthcare. According to their website they serve: 1,100 hospitals, 10 of the top 10 health insurers, thousands of physicians groups, top five pharmacy benefit managers, six of the top eight pharmacy retailers. Also has shares in JP Morgan.

138. Lord St John: Non-executive Director of PharmaSys Ltd, a web-based pharmacy management system. Non-Executive Director of Albion Ventures VCT - which has multiple healthcare companies on its portfolio. Consultant for 2e2 Group plc, an IT solution provider, which has multiple contracts across the healthcare spectrum, including the NHS.

139. Lord Skidelsky: Shares in fund managers Janus Capital Group, who invest in the healthcare sector amongst other areas. Wrote in the Spectator in 2000, on an article titled: 'Let's go private.' In there he promotes the idea of encouraging users to get a tax-incentive to go private.

140. Lord Sutherland: Non-executive chairman of Scottish Care - now represents the largest group of Health and Social Care independent providers across Scotland, delivering residential care, day care, care at home, and housing support.

141. Lord Turnball: Non-Executive Director of Prudential plc, who offer private health insurance. Non-executive Director of Frontier Economics, a consultancy that advises private sector clients on the impact of healthcare reforms and how "to shape regulatory environments". Has shares in Prudential plc

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142. Bishop of Gloucester: Has shares in Standard Chartered Bank plc, which offers private healthcare insurance.

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By the way

Did you know that Barclays bank stick their PFi receipts through Tax avoiding companies based in the Channel Islands?

We get to overpay hideous exponential sums for new buildings (approved by treasonable scum in Westminster) then the receiving parasite banks avoid paying any taxes back into the system

Do all the banks carry out their PFis like this?

GOVT STAMP

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Who are this race or fraternity of vile scum in charge of our country and its finances?

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On the 5th day of August Erranta gave to me

Twelve Dukes a Dodging

Eleven Peers Pilfering

Ten Lords a Leeching

Nine Lady-Boys Dancing

Eight-y million Mugs for Milking

Several Sirs a Stealing

Sixty Years Of Greek Prince Philip

FIVE OLYMPIC RINGS

Four Buy-to-Lets

Three French Whores

Two Toots of Coke

And a Second Home in Chelsea...

XYY

PS - looking foward to you revealing the lesser known Masonic verses starting with THIRTY-THREE somethings doing a something Mr Erranta... ;-)

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you might like to edit your first entry (Lord Ashcroft) as Bell is mentioned under that , and on first reading

I assumed this was whoever the first entry was .

I assume you have good libel defence lawyers ready to act on your behalf B)

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See if you can find the hidden meaning.

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On the 5th day of August Erranta gave to me

Twelve Dukes a Dodging

Eleven Peers Pilfering

Ten Lords a Leeching

Nine Lady-Boys Dancing

Eight-y million Mugs for Milking

Several Sirs a Stealing

Sixty Years Of Greek Prince Philip

FIVE OLYMPIC RINGS

Four Buy-to-Lets

Three French Whores

Two Toots of Coke

And a Second Home in Chelsea...

XYY

PS - looking foward to you revealing the lesser known Masonic verses starting with THIRTY-THREE somethings doing a something Mr Erranta... ;-)

You reminded me

- the original formula of coke (a quack medicinal) was laced with cocaine

> major sponsors of Olympics

> drug tested participants!

Nowadays its the sugar/sweetner - more addictive to humans than heroin

A masonic trade-mark is addicting populations - backed up by EURO PARLIAMENT pumping Billions into Euro-SUGAR production (Yes you Sugar - the hidden symbol) grown at a loss and "undercutting" ahem Sugar cane etc World growers putting loads out of business

(Slave Tradewindies 'Tricorn' Triangle connection)

33 or CC

- Corrupt Counts, non-accountable (for duck-houses etc)

The way they did it was an Orwellian 'switching' (inc double-speech double dutch) an occult 'reversal'

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you might like to edit your first entry (Lord Ashcroft) as Bell is mentioned under that , and on first reading

I assumed this was whoever the first entry was .

I assume you have good libel defence lawyers ready to act on your behalf B)

Thanks

its quite clear who it refers to and that it is merged in the wrong place

Bring on the libel claims

- then the whole country will know - lamp posts! B)

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The Treasonable, treacherous, pocket filling scum who love to 'LORD' it over us - outed

Semi-covertly waiting like vultures with their private health/insurance companies/directorships set in place

- to cash-in on the pickings when they dismantle the NHS and force everyone onto private insurance.

Short them another way and ruin them I say

Fantastic info - which you can easily find out if YOU DIG a little deeper

Following the day the NHS is privatised and we have to pay health insurance, won't tax revenues collapse?

Currently they pretend it's free by making us pay for it via steal taxes. However once people have to hand money over for insurance like in other countries, why will the workers stay in the UK to pay for the benefit class and 1%? Surely the "free" NHS is a part of why people stay in the UK?

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9070134.jpg

See if you can find the hidden meaning.

errrrrmmmm

The WESTMINSTER - Parliamentary

"DIVISION BELL"

- or is that another clanger (on dark side of moon? with "SOUP" (BOILLION-GRUNESUPPE) Dragons) :rolleyes:

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Following the day the NHS is privatised and we have to pay health insurance, won't tax revenues collapse?

Currently they pretend it's free by making us pay for it via steal taxes. However once people have to hand money over for insurance like in other countries, why will the workers stay in the UK to pay for the benefit class and 1%? Surely the "free" NHS is a part of why people stay in the UK?

How many multi-millionaire (5 or more) NHS doctors do you know?

The elite run corrupt Insurance companies, corrupt the medics until they are blinded by c-ash - rolling in it.

The same Insurance vipers also cheat the proles out of treatments (loop-holes/any way they can after taking extortionate payments) and raise the Insurance fees beyond affordable for tens of millions (eg USA)

NHS is best for everyone - the biggest reason is a choice for rich to go private

Our elites are destroying and undermining it - bit by bit

(5th columnist manager "Common Purpose" layers inserted 15+ yrs ago etc

- they corruptly choose the elites outside businesses/trusts to takeover NHS services - degrading everything!

Gordon Brown aCCidently overpaying medics by 10's thousands - before disappearing)

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How many multi-millionaire (5 or more) NHS doctors do you know?

The elite run corrupt Insurance companies, corrupt the medics until they are blinded by c-ash - rolling in it.

The same Insurance vipers also cheat the proles out of treatments (loop-holes/any way they can after taking extortionate payments) and raise the Insurance fees beyond affordable for tens of millions (eg USA)

NHS is best for everyone - the biggest reason is a choice for rich to go private

Our elites are destroying and undermining it - bit by bit

(5th columnist manager "Common Purpose" layers inserted 15+ yrs ago etc

- they corruptly choose the elites outside businesses/trusts to takeover NHS services - degrading everything!

Gordon Brown aCCidently overpaying medics by 10's thousands - before disappearing)

Mmm, American style health insurance. More debt enslavement.

1. Horrendously high house prices. If you refuse to climb on board, high and insecure rents.

2. 9k a year university fees. If you refuse to climb on board, temporary, low-paid and insecure jobs.

Now our overlords are proposing:

3. Health insurance. If you refuse to climb on board, expect to die sooner.

Marvellous. Is the lower longevity in the US down to higher obesity levels or to preventable conditions remaining untreated due to inadequate insurance? I suspect the latter.

A financial crisis caused by too much debt is to be solved by people taking on even more debt.

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Following the day the NHS is privatised and we have to pay health insurance, won't tax revenues collapse?

Currently they pretend it's free by making us pay for it via steal taxes. However once people have to hand money over for insurance like in other countries, why will the workers stay in the UK to pay for the benefit class and 1%? Surely the "free" NHS is a part of why people stay in the UK?

Depends.. it also has the unpleasant effect of tying people to their jobs if health cover is involved.

Hell, if a political parth thinks that NHS privatisation is a good idea they should put it in their election manifesto openly and honestly.

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Depends.. it also has the unpleasant effect of tying people to their jobs if health cover is involved.

Hell, if a political parth thinks that NHS privatisation is a good idea they should put it in their election manifesto openly and honestly.

Do you not yet know the model?

Privatisation, wealth extraction, service failure, “too big to fail” state takeover and increase taxation.

Or leverage buy out/debt loading, wealth extraction, business failure, too many jobs loses state subsidy.

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Do you not yet know the model?

Privatisation, wealth extraction, service failure, “too big to fail” state takeover and increase taxation.

Or leverage buy out/debt loading, wealth extraction, business failure, too many jobs loses state subsidy.

Yes..

Bleat 'Private good, public bad' at every opportunity, repeat any mantras about public sector inefficiency at every opportunity (evidence not required). Take every opportunity to transfer assets to the private sector, don't worry about getting a good price. If essential services go bankrupt after being overloaded with debt, and absolutely have to be nationalised (*cough* railtrack *cough*) do so via some arms length process that allows the looting to continue.

Never, ever allow the voters to have a say, present the whole thing as inevitable (mumble something about 'global competitiveness' if pressed).

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It's part of the propaganda of statism that there are only two models for health provision; the sacred NHS and cruel free enterprise. Whereas most industrialised countries have neither, they have a mixed economy. Indeed the one the WHO thinks is best - France - is just that.

NHS: envied by the world, emulated by no one.

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I have to say that the NHS is not wonderful.

The name is a complete misnomer as there are 4 publicly funded healthcare systems, one each for England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales.

Looking at the way that the increase in spending over the last decade has produced only a minor improvement in health outcomes one can question whether it is really about health.

Despite the attitudes of the BMA today, do not forget that it was greated against the wishes of the medical profession. Bevan later stated of doctors that he had "stuffed their mouths with gold". Hence there is precious little element of service in the NHS, rather the system is run for the convenience of doctors.

Now, shoot me down.

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The Treasonable, treacherous, pocket filling scum who love to 'LORD' it over us - outed

Semi-covertly waiting like vultures with their private health/insurance companies/directorships set in place

- to cash-in on the pickings when they dismantle the NHS and force everyone onto private insurance.

Short them another way and ruin them I say

Fantastic info - which you can easily find out if YOU DIG a little deeper

Interesting list. I haven't counted, but there seems to be a lot of declared interests here in companies that trade with the NHS, and presumably profitably.

I am not sure those companies would want to see a profligate NHS replaced by a lean, mean privately-funded system.

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Interesting list. I haven't counted, but there seems to be a lot of declared interests here in companies that trade with the NHS, and presumably profitably.

I am not sure those companies would want to see a profligate NHS replaced by a lean, mean privately-funded system.

:lol::lol::lol:

Just laughing at the sentiment, I realise you are astroturfing.

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I have to say that the NHS is not wonderful.

The name is a complete misnomer as there are 4 publicly funded healthcare systems, one each for England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales.

Looking at the way that the increase in spending over the last decade has produced only a minor improvement in health outcomes one can question whether it is really about health.

Despite the attitudes of the BMA today, do not forget that it was created against the wishes of the medical profession. Bevan later stated of doctors that he had "stuffed their mouths with gold". Hence there is precious little element of service in the NHS, rather the system is run for the convenience of doctors.

Now, shoot me down.

No, I suspect that the NHS could be improved, there is a huge need for more transparency for one thing. Mind you, one of the best ways of improving it would be 'change nothing for a decade, just get the stats together on what works and what dosen't'.

The problem is that the only changes allowed on the table just happen to be of the 'hand it over to the private sector for the whole private profit/public loss model'.

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Nope. Playing devil's advocate.

Devils advocate is when you take an opposite position to someone elses in order to see more sides to an issue and advance debate.

Not when you trot out obviously anti empirical platitudes straight out of the tory party playbook that's irrelevent to anything previously said.

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Devils advocate is when you take an opposite position to someone elses in order to see more sides to an issue and advance debate.

Not when you trot out obviously anti empirical platitudes straight out of the tory party playbook that's irrelevent to anything previously said.

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Just because you have decided not to agree with me there is no reason to make assumptions about my reasons for posting. I happen to disagree profoundly with the line of argument that this thread was taking.

As to your definitions, from Wikipedia:

In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with, for the sake of argument. In taking such position, the individual taking on the devil's advocate role seeks to engage others in an argumentative discussion process. The purpose of such process is typically to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure, and to use such information to either improve or abandon the original, opposing position. It can also refer to someone who takes a stance that is seen as unpopular or unconventional, but is actually another way of arguing a much more conventional stance.

I prefer to hark back to the original role in the canonization process; one makes a contrary point to look for weaknesses in an argument. If someone cannot address those weaknesses then perhaps their own position is uncertain.

If you cannot engage with my argument, but revert instead to ad hominem attacks, then it rather weakens any respect I may have had for your sincerity in propounding a different viewpoint.

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Just because you have decided not to agree with me there is no reason to make assumptions about my reasons for posting. I happen to disagree profoundly with the line of argument that this thread was taking.

As to your definitions, from Wikipedia:

In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with, for the sake of argument. In taking such position, the individual taking on the devil's advocate role seeks to engage others in an argumentative discussion process. The purpose of such process is typically to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure, and to use such information to either improve or abandon the original, opposing position. It can also refer to someone who takes a stance that is seen as unpopular or unconventional, but is actually another way of arguing a much more conventional stance.

I prefer to hark back to the original role in the canonization process; one makes a contrary point to look for weaknesses in an argument. If someone cannot address those weaknesses then perhaps their own position is uncertain.

If you cannot engage with my argument, but revert instead to ad hominem attacks, then it rather weakens any respect I may have had for your sincerity in propounding a different viewpoint.

Oh excellent - so you agree that the NHS is fine as it is and private enterprise doesn't work?

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The thing is that every study I've ever seen has concluded that, on a value for money basis, the NHS is by far the best system in the world.

Others have better health outcomes but they cost a lot more.

It doesn't seem to suit the dogmatic market types who seem to regard other people solely as economic trading units but it seems to suit humanity.

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The thing is that every study I've ever seen has concluded that, on a value for money basis, the NHS is by far the best system in the world.

Others have better health outcomes but they cost a lot more.

It doesn't seem to suit the dogmatic market types who seem to regard other people solely as economic trading units but it seems to suit humanity.

There are all kind of logical and practical problems with the NHS, but I am pretty certain that if you let people decide for themselves, they'd want to have a similar system anyway.

A lot of my fellow dogmatic market types don't get that politics is is an expression of desire (minus practicality)

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