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Labour is on its way to creating a two-tier system in which those who work for the Government have pay perks and pensions denied to practically everyone else. The problem with parasites is that they often end up killing their host.

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Hmm the unions are there to look after the good of the workers which often isn't good for business but it depends which end of the stick you're holding whether you think its good or not.

It certainly isn't fair though if only civil servants keep their 60 retirement age. This sort of pandering wont' look good to joe blogs who'se now looking at 70 to retiure and for those young'uns who'll more than likely never be able to afford to retire.

The next story the timid mr blair also mentions house prices

The competition for places at good state schools has become grotesquely intense. One primary school in East London has a catchment area of 110 metres. In most areas, the best schools drive up house prices so spectacularly that parents are effectively paying fees via mortgage premiums.

http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/opinion.../ixopinion.html

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But why do private sector employees moan at the better provisions public sector workers have managed to safeguard?

An equal misery policy just makes everyone miserable.

I don't want to work until I'm 70, or even 65 or 60 really. Heck, we might live longer but at my workplace it seems many of the folk over 50 has verious medical issues they need time off for now and again - operations, athrititis, dodgy hips, heart conditions, lump removal.

Who's going to be in a fit state to keep toiling away?

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Hmm the unions are there to look after the good of the workers which often isn't good for business but it depends which end of the stick you're holding whether you think its good or not.

It certainly isn't fair though if only civil servants keep their 60 retirement age. This sort of pandering wont' look good to joe blogs who'se now looking at 70 to retiure and for those young'uns who'll more than likely never be able to afford to retire.

The next story the timid mr blair also mentions house prices

The competition for places at good state schools has become grotesquely intense. One primary school in East London has a catchment area of 110 metres. In most areas, the best schools drive up house prices so spectacularly that parents are effectively paying fees via mortgage premiums.

http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/opinion.../ixopinion.html

Don't confuse the state pension age with the age at which you receive an occupational pension. Civil servants will get the state pension at age 65, same as everyone else.

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But why do private sector employees moan at the better provisions public sector workers have managed to safeguard?

Because in the private sector there are no unions to negotiate on our behalf. And it's not as easy as just "setting one up" because people are fearful of being sacked if they do. Although that is illegal there are ways employers can get round it. The company I work for has not given a pay rise for four years now, and the company I worked for previously has not given one for seven years. I think public sector whingebags need to see what the rest of us have to put up with.

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But why do private sector employees moan at the better provisions public sector workers have managed to safeguard?

Because the private sector is being robbed to pay for it , £5bn a year from private pensions , the extra 5 yrs worth of tax they will have to pay while they are lording it up .

I've heard it said on the radio that some are only on £14k-£15k a year , well why dont they leave the comfort zone and get a different job. After all it is Nu-Labour who are spouting out about the 'opportunities' they are creating , training etc , ya de ya , so why dont some put their pension where their mouth is and work in the private sector.

Because the truth is most stuff out there is probably around the same money , and worth even less by the time they've funded the public sector.

Time to get the axe out me thinks.

Sunday rant over , Soz.

D :blink:

PS:

As usual Dog points us as to where the money is really going.

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/ind...showtopic=17783

Keep up the good work dog.

D :)

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Aren't you all in awe of the public sector - if the jobs are that well paid and plentiful why don't you all go and get one?

I moved from the private sector to the public sector some years ago, basically so I could "work to live" rather than "live to work" as I was doing - I took a slight pay cut to do this. My next move will probably be to set up on my own as I now have such a wide experience base.

Whilst I accept that there has been the generation of some fairly woolley/wacky new positions under new labour the vast majority of public sector workers are providing the services that keep large elements of the country going and enable the private sector to keep going.

The trade off has always been that the salaries are less but the pension and perks are better - an equitable situation.

If you ensure that the public sector pay and conditions are poor then guess what - all of the good peolpe will go, leaving you with very poor services - it isn't rocket science.

Who provides health and social services, keeps the drains clear and rubbish collected, resolves you and your neighbours noise disputes (because you are too selfish and juvanile to be able to live side by side in an acceptable fashion!), etc.

Often we provide the safety net and clear up the mess that arises when you entrepreners bugger it all up.

Some of you lot on hear have become so inward looking, if one says something then there is agreement by all, did you want to become sheeple?

Think and look outside of the box

Some prat will now go awwooga!

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Because the private sector is being robbed to pay for it , £5bn a year from private pensions , the extra 5 yrs worth of tax they will have to pay while they are lording it up .

I've heard it said on the radio that some are only on £14k-£15k a year , well why dont they leave the comfort zone and get a different job. After all it is Nu-Labour who are spouting out about the 'opportunities' they are creating , training etc , ya de ya , so why dont some put their pension where their mouth is and work in the private sector.

Because the truth is most stuff out there is probably around the same money , and worth even less by the time they've funded the public sector.

Time to get the axe out me thinks.

Sunday rant over , Soz.

D :blink:

PS:

As usual Dog points us as to where the money is really going.

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/ind...showtopic=17783

Keep up the good work dog.

D :)

But there are tow issues here. 1. Whether there are too many people in the Public Sector 2. The benefits package any employee, public or private, should expect.

On point 1. many seem to assume that if that money was saved the private sector would magically create more jobs. Why? On what basis? They would likely continue to downsize and offshore and cut-back for increased profit. People may not like the 'uselessness' of NuLab make-jobs (why not more training for doctors, nurses, teachers, blah d blah) but these people spend in the economy, and the tools they use in their jobs will be private-sector provided.

On point 2, why do people bend over and take massive reductions on their quality of life up the rectum? Is the best people can do moan about jobs where people still get a half decent package? 'It's okay, so long as we're all in the same hole' seems to be the feeling.

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Aren't you all in awe of the public sector - if the jobs are that well paid and plentiful why don't you all go and get one?

I moved from the private sector to the public sector some years ago, basically so I could "work to live" rather than "live to work" as I was doing - I took a slight pay cut to do this. My next move will probably be to set up on my own as I now have such a wide experience base.

Whilst I accept that there has been the generation of some fairly woolley/wacky new positions under new labour the vast majority of public sector workers are providing the services that keep large elements of the country going and enable the private sector to keep going.

The trade off has always been that the salaries are less but the pension and perks are better - an equitable situation.

If you ensure that the public sector pay and conditions are poor then guess what - all of the good peolpe will go, leaving you with very poor services - it isn't rocket science.

Who provides health and social services, keeps the drains clear and rubbish collected, resolves you and your neighbours noise disputes (because you are too selfish and juvanile to be able to live side by side in an acceptable fashion!), etc.

Often we provide the safety net and clear up the mess that arises when you entrepreners bugger it all up.

Some of you lot on hear have become so inward looking, if one says something then there is agreement by all, did you want to become sheeple?

Think and look outside of the box

Some prat will now go awwooga!

i agree. Many people on this site seem to see through the rubbish written about house prices, but when a story regarding a different subject from the same one sided news paper is written, people take it as the truth with no question. When the economy booms the civil service tends to get left alone as everyone else gets better bonuses, bigger car allowances, better promotions. When times are tougher everyone wants to have a go at the very people that try there best to serve them (and for not much pay in return). please at least try to read all articles the same way in which you read housing reports / news.

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Aren't you all in awe of the public sector - if the jobs are that well paid and plentiful why don't you all go and get one?

LOL , because there wouldnt be a private sector to pay for it all.

D

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i agree. Many people on this site seem to see through the rubbish written about house prices, but when a story regarding a different subject from the same one sided news paper is written, people take it as the truth with no question. When the economy booms the civil service tends to get left alone as everyone else gets better bonuses, bigger car allowances, better promotions. When times are tougher everyone wants to have a go at the very people that try there best to serve them (and for not much pay in return). please at least try to read all articles the same way in which you read housing reports / news.

Errr, being self - employed I've had none of the above . Courtesy of 'Fiscal drag' - as I think it is known - I've been paying more and more tax for very little in return.

Try and earn more - get taxed , try and save more - get taxed , try and be economical - get taxed , try and get a dentist - get taxed TWICE as there are no NHS ones to be had where I live.

The truth is that the socialist tail is now starting to wag the Nu-Labour dog.

D

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I moved from the private sector to the public sector some years ago, basically so I could "work to live" rather than "live to work" as I was doing

Glad to see you are getting an easy ride!

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I have no doubt that many public servants do a good job and are not probably paid as well as some. The crunch is, the country can't afford to continue expanding in this sort of way. The UK must become a better place for the private sector to do business, that IMO is the only way we can get good, long lasting public services. The current state of affairs will not last because it will become too much burden on individuals and industry.

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Who provides health and social services, keeps the drains clear and rubbish collected, resolves you and your neighbours noise disputes (because you are too selfish and juvanile to be able to live side by side in an acceptable fashion!), etc.

Right. Because none of those things would happen if the government didn't do them... kind of like no-one would provide phone service if British Telecom was privatised, and no-one would fly airliners if British Airways was privatised.

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Who provides health and social services, keeps the drains clear and rubbish collected, resolves you and your neighbours noise disputes (because you are too selfish and juvanile to be able to live side by side in an acceptable fashion!), etc.

Yes, and who pays for all of these services? The private sector of course. Remember a Government has no money, it just collects it and spends it.

But you present this as an argument that you either have some public servants or none, which is ridiculous. Very few would argue that there's no need for any public servants (although my Guatemalan colleague tells me that the parts of Guatemala where there is no government are less f&cked up than the places where the govt has control), but its about finding the right balance and value for the taxpayer.

I moved to Singapore earlier this year and the without a shadow of doubt, public services are far, far superior to anything in the UK – yet income tax is typically less than half of what you'd pay in the UK. Why do you think that is? Incompetence, inefficiencies, ring any bells…

I'm sure there are many decent, hard-working public-sector employees, but I bet there's an equal/higher number of lazy incompetents. I briefly worked in the public sector and the number of lazy incompetents far outweighed the competent.

While I'm sure those traveling on the gravy train are very happy, most of them are too ignorant to work out that this will have devastating consequences in the future. Think of the impact on society when all those schools and hospitals have to close, just so the state can pay the pensions. As the demographics shift to more older people and tax rates soar to pay for these pensions, tomorrow's generation of talented high-earners will simply leave the country and set up else where. And so will companies, if all that's left to hire are the dummies.

The US is facing a huge pensions crisis and NuLab is just repeating these mistakes to keep its core voters happy. Very, very shortsighted.

http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetai...20783&cat=World

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You take my comments too literaly.

The truth is that there needs to be a balance between private and public provisions and this has slipped in recent years - there is a fundamintal problem that UK plc is slowing - there is nothing inherently bad about the public sector and they fullfill many essential roles that most of you take for granted.

There is little new under the sun, if anything, and there are cycles to most things

Housing is cyclical - house prices will drop - its only a matter of timing and if you can live your life OK whilst you wait in our property ownership obsessive country

However ecconomic prosperity and civilisation is also cyclical - go back prior to the industrail revolution and the east has been the powerhouse of the world ecconomy and the home of civilisation, our industrialisation brought this to the west for some 2 hundred years but this is now slowly changing - the east now has the industry and the victorian working conditions and pollution to go with it.

Our problem is that we no longer produce enough to support the lifestyles we have become used to - that said you cannot decry people for trying to protect their livelihoods and finances etc, whethter thats some private sector interset or public sector pension.

Pensions for parasites - tell that to the nurse next time you need to go to A&E or to me next time I am called out to assist you in the middle of the night

Cheeky shites!

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next time I am called out to assist you in the middle of the night

Cheeky shites!

Night duty ?

You can't possibly be a uk resident doctor then !

:lol::lol::lol:

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Our problem is that we no longer produce enough to support the lifestyles we have become used to - that

Pensions for parasites - tell that to the nurse next time you need to go to A&E or to me next time I am called out to assist you in the middle of the night

Cheeky shites!

But you still miss the point, massively.

No one has said that the all public servants should be scrapped, just a huge amount of them. The public sector has become so bloated and inefficient it will take the whole nation down over the next 20-30yrs.

And this bull that we're supposed to be somehow grateful to civil servants for doing their jobs does my head in. You get paid for goodness sake, that's why you do it, not to "help" people. And if you could get a better paying job, you would too (so long it didn't mean showing up for work more than 35hrs a week). I'd only use the NHS anyway where its compulsory, medical insurance covers everything else. Yes, served those very same loyal hard-working NHS doctors and nurses who cross over to the private sector to cash in.

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My understanding is that the average local government annual pension at present is around £4,300 - those pensioners must be really living the life of reilly in their retirement!!

In this debate no one focuses on the real parasites - the hundreds of thousands of long term benefit claimants in areas like London where there are plenty of jobs. At least the people working in the public sector are at least working and paying taxes on their earnings!

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Far from being servants of the public, public employees are becoming vicious little bullies who hate fun, freedom and free speech. We are burdened by massive council taxes, draconian parking fines, vexatious speeding fines, car tax fines, late tax return fines, retrospective taxes etc.

The media is overrun with morbid government propoganda about fire, smoking, eating, driving, walking, not walking and breathing. One commercial radio station, has almost been taken over by government propoganda announcements. I take my children to see a film only to be assailed by an advertisement starring ghosts of children from a traffic accident. It is disgusting and to make matters worse it my tax that is being wasted on this morbid propoganda.

Public servants hate doing mundane jobs but adore things like terrorist threats. They love the idea of tanks and machine guns on the streets. They love cameras on every corner. When it comes to mundane but more serious threats like hospital infections, they have little or no interest.

Public 'servants' are doing great damage to the economy with their waste and interference. Companies now see the UK as over regulated and over taxed. They are voting with their feet. They are going to the Far East, US and even other EU countries.

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Yes, served those very same loyal hard-working NHS doctors and nurses who cross over to the private sector to cash in.

do NOT lump doctors and nurses in the same boat.

nurses get paid very modestly and perform all the main duties that run the wards and provide ALL the front line treatment and care - doctors turm up to tick a few boxes and let the staff get on with it.

doctors are, by nature, grabbing, selfish, ecotistical b@stards who are in it "because they can". they typically come from very, very wealthy backgrounds, characterised by unbounded greed and self obsession and are very often the worst offenders in BTL and at grabbing up everything on the planet they can get their mits on. despite earning well over 100k at consultant level for their basic work, they are sooooo ******* disgustingingly covetous they are actually happy to extend their practise outside this into private medicine for more £ - at the cost of having any kind of life. they tend to marry similar 'personalities'. they reap their own rewards in my opinion.

i have seen cases whereby two doctors are married with children and, they are soooo ******* hungry for more and more £ that they never see each other and their kids are nannied out to all and sundry.

there are exceptions to the rules but not many. some nurses are lazy (difficult to imagine given the amount of work and time it takes to become qualified), some doctors (if they exist probably in gp) actually may give a passing care for their patients.

please do not mix up front line servants and these *****s.

lf.

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Dog - I would have to admit that there has been some stupid legislation come through in recent times, however the sweeping generalisations are not correct, there are many good people out there working hard.

There is quite a big difference between Local Government and Government Agencies.

At the Local level the people are directly accountable to the elected members (councillors) and there has been great changes and much sreamlining in these departments in recent years - in my authority there are now 300 people - 4 years ago there were 600! Outsourced or gone!

However the goverment agencies are not accountable to the local poulation, only to Whitehall.

To say that we are all parasites is untrue and not fair and just shows the ignorance of some who post here.

Some of the posts are nothing but poorly researched soundbites to their unthinking friends in this cosy club.

Some jaw on endlessly about the private sector, how about Railtrack ! - tell the families of the Hatfield rail crash victims how good the private sector is.

Some on this site have forecast all sorts of doom in the near future - complete with power cuts - who runs the generating system and hasn't bothered to ensure that there is sufficient generating capacity?

Well it aint the CEGB as they were privatised years ago.

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I agree that the headline doesnt read well , so to get back to the crux of the matter.

Why should the PS be able to retire at 60 and everyone else at 65 ?

D :blink:

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The figure of £26,000 inflation proof, taken from each UK worker really puts into context the cost of the public sector pension liabilities workers face for these very generoius pension schemes.

Yes, workers have these unfair liabilities and more to pay.

But the real problem the private sector labour faces is dropping real (not nominal) wages as very low skilled mass immigration continues. Taxes must rise further to pay for the increased social and health costs of these many millions of low skilled unadaptive immigrants which are expodentially expanding as relatives are imported and automatically granted UK citizenship (chaining effect).

Between 1997 and 2003 the UK population expanded by at least 8% according to the 2003 census, largely through immigration.

Demand costs for all sorts of resources like housing, hospitals, schools, infrastructure, pensions, benefits etc... will have to be met from the ordinary workers decreasing wages.

Dropping real wages have been a short term plus to corporate profits as a % of total output. But now costs are rising as land prices and taxes rise as part of total output.

Overall corporate profits will gradually drop as a % of total output (i.e. GDP) as these costs hit. Without profits the accumulation of capital (i.e. productive factories, industries) - ceases leading to a slump and increased unemployment in the private sector.

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Publis Sector employment must be cut,

or the taxes required to feed the parasites will drag us all down

well said doc,

what the majority of sheeple(and public sector workers) fail to comprehend is that the public sector is bankrolled by private sector tax revenue.....without the latter being healthy the former cannot survive for long.

.....same with state benefits of any sort.

GB is doing precisely the wrong thing for the country,let's hope people wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late.(which it probably is already!)

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