The Last 20 And The Next 20 Years.

[dragonfly]

This video, which can be viewed on Goldmoney.com, featured Chris Martenson's presentation at the Gold & Silver meeting in Madrid 29/11/2011. Just enter the search on GM and watch one of the most important presentations you will ever see (it is not about Precious Metals).

['Bart']

Video can be found here.

http://www.goldmoney.com/video/martenson-presentation.html

Keywords: Population growth, exponential growth, peak oil.

[dragonfly]

Video can be found here.

http://www.goldmoney.com/video/martenson-presentation.html

Keywords: Population growth, exponential growth, peak oil.

Many thanks Bart for the link.

[Gone baby gone]

Keywords: Population growth, exponential growth, peak oil.

So land is a good investment?...

[dragonfly]

So land is a good investment?...

Land that you could put to good productive use with a wood burning tractor.

[Game_Over]

Land that you could put to good productive use with a wood burning tractor.

I thought we already burnt all the wood

[The Atomic Bull]

Video can be found here.

http://www.goldmoney.com/video/martenson-presentation.html

Keywords: Population growth, exponential growth, peak oil.

Great video. Thanks for the link.

[Executive Sadman]

Yep, every unit of economic output requires a unit of energy input...nothing new there.

Mish has had a few posts on this recently - US gasoline and petroleum usage down to 1992 and 1996 levels. (despite another dozen or so million americans) along with % in the workforce suggest us GDP recovery is largely Bogus/lies.

I too have noted the american publics reaction to Jimmy Carter with regards to consumption. What the electorate want to hear and what they need to hear are two very different things, and my fear is any politician who seriously confronts these issues would never be elected even now. People need to see the futility of it for themselves they will continue to vote for snake oilers who promise constant growth until its too late.

['Bart']

Many thanks Bart for the link.

Interesting video (preaching to the converted in my case).

[davidg]

Yep, every unit of economic output requires a unit of energy input...nothing new there.

lots of things can be done more efficiently. A solar panel today uses 80% less raw materials than one made 20 years ago. A plastic bottle uses less plastic then one made 20 years ago etc etc.

[OnlyMe]

lots of things can be done more efficiently. A solar panel today uses 80% less raw materials than one made 20 years ago. A plastic bottle uses less plastic then one made 20 years ago etc etc.

Check out a lot of items - not only haave some of the limits already been reached, they've gone past them - that is one of the reasons many products have such a short lifespan - manufactured down to a price point using the bare minimum of materials boyond their usefulness, which actually then increases the waste. Very little low hanging fruit ledt in materials reduction - we've had that 20 years of benefits and the sting in the tail is quality / durability.

Great video, which seems to make a lot of sense.

[winkie]

Check out a lot of items - not only haave some of the limits already been reached, they've gone past them - that is one of the reasons many products have such a short lifespan - manufactured down to a price point using the bare minimum of materials boyond their usefulness, which actually then increases the waste. Very little low hanging fruit ledt in materials reduction - we've had that 20 years of benefits and the sting in the tail is quality / durability.

Great video, which seems to make a lot of sense.

[cashinmattress]

Surely the gateway to the future will be fully realised when Britain starts to ration energy? I'd say within a decade.

Keep your eye's out for these TEQ's and similar schemes not too far off implementation.

Of course, this will strictly be a class based quota system, with the established gentry omitted, and politicians whilst serving.

But you, me, and your granny are going to have to choose between a warm house and walk to work, or the big cold far away house and driving to work.

Not sure how taking holidays will fare on this, but I think it will have a part to play.

As with any rationing system, there will be a black market and of course crime.

EDIT: Only those with traditional vocational educations will have a chance. Engineers are a dying breed in Britain, but we bloody well need more good ones or we are completely finished as an industrialised nation.

Edited April 9, 2012 by cashinmattress

[Executive Sadman]

lots of things can be done more efficiently. A solar panel today uses 80% less raw materials than one made 20 years ago. A plastic bottle uses less plastic then one made 20 years ago etc etc.

But is it a genuine saving or a false economy?

A lot of these so called innovations are merely superficial, to fit a cynical govt agenda 'something' is being done, ie

Even a Range Rover Sport is greener than a Prius

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/features/jeep-wrangler-is-this-the-greenest-car-on-sale-423233.html

[dragonfly]

lots of things can be done more efficiently. A solar panel today uses 80% less raw materials than one made 20 years ago. A plastic bottle uses less plastic then one made 20 years ago etc etc.

Agreed, efficiency is paramount but Martenson's main thrust was that our economies are so dependant on oil, that it's production is past peak and falling,the peak for descoveries was in 1964 and falling along with much lower oil quality. He also claims that we are approaching using the energy from 1 barrel of oil to produce 1 barrel of oil. He also claims that the Bp well that blew out in the Gulf of Mexico only contained enough oil for 12 to 24 hrs of World requirement. Many other natural resources are in a similar boat. Unless we can find a new source of energy and manage what is left of the existing, Martenson believes 2013 could lead us over a cliff in our Exponential World.

[winkie]

Agreed, efficiency is paramount but Martenson's main thrust was that our economies are so dependant on oil, that it's production is past peak and falling,the peak for descoveries was in 1964 and falling along with much lower oil quality. He also claims that we are approaching using the energy from 1 barrel of oil to produce 1 barrel of oil. He also claims that the Bp well that blew out in the Gulf of Mexico only contained enough oil for 12 to 24 hrs of World requirement. Many other natural resources are in a similar boat. Unless we can find a new source of energy and manage what is left of the existing, Martenson believes 2013 could lead us over a cliff in our Exponential World.

Look forward to exponential changes.

[markyh]

Look forward to exponential changes.

hmm. Could be trouble brewing. A) Thankfully we are an Island with a long swim from Europe (if we block the chunnel!) and I think the post ww2 british population and their decendents still greatly outnumber the newer arrivals from the 50's onwards? If i'm going to be a footsoldier for a UK resource war just to remain working class poor and back to my parents 1970's lifestyle roots then I think being british and avoiding the cull needs to be proven back to 1900 on a least one side of the family.

Better tell the wife, she's South African!!!

M

[PopGun]

But is it a genuine saving or a false economy?

A lot of these so called innovations are merely superficial, to fit a cynical govt agenda 'something' is being done, ie

Even a Range Rover Sport is greener than a Prius

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/features/jeep-wrangler-is-this-the-greenest-car-on-sale-423233.html

yuck....

A petrol glugging environmental rape machine, with components sourced from some of the most poisonous and hazardous substances on the earth with a ridiculously low mpg......

and a Range Rover!

[geezer466]

Tradeable Energy Quota's

Looks like a Parliamentary group has been at work to work out what is calls the response to 'peak oil' and 'climate change'.

And with these TEQ's they have already decided who the 'have's' and 'have nots' will be!!

They key part of of Martensons video was when one Country breaks away and acknowledges that Peak Oil does exist. He cited Norway as an example who he said could nationalise their industry and halt exports keeping it all for internal consumption. This is in effect will be the tipping point in the understanding of the real problem for the Worlds populations.

Maybe our politico's know this event or one like it is imminent and are shaping economic policy to be bumping along at the bottom in anticipation?

[OnlyMe]

Tradeable Energy Quota's

Looks like a Parliamentary group has been at work to work out what is calls the response to 'peak oil' and 'climate change'.

And with these TEQ's they have already decided who the 'have's' and 'have nots' will be!!

They key part of of Martensons video was when one Country breaks away and acknowledges that Peak Oil does exist. He cited Norway as an example who he said could nationalise their industry and halt exports keeping it all for internal consumption. This is in effect will be the tipping point in the understanding of the real problem for the Worlds populations.

Maybe our politico's know this event or one like it is imminent and are shaping economic policy to be bumping along at the bottom in anticipation?

If pinning hopes on a carbon trading / energy derivatives scam and green taxes is a measure of what our energy policy is then we are truly shagged.