awaytogo Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Council workers face third year of pay freezes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17141621 How can it be right for a government to Freeze workers wages and stil increase benefits. This is bound to have an effect on house prices or will it just be the unemployed buying. Edited February 23, 2012 by awaytogo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Si1 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 How can it be right for a government to Freeze workers wages and stil increase benefits. because workers' wages were too high compared to benefits? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt Barlow Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Council workers face third year of pay freezes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17141621 How can it be right for a government to Freeze workers wages and stil increase benefits. This is bound to have an effect on house prices or will it just be the unemployed buying. Whilst this is true for rank and file staff the gravy train continues for senior management. This is where job evaluation comes into its own - reevaluate job and put said Senior Manager into higher pay band. :angry: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Miyagi Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Whilst this is true for rank and file staff the gravy train continues for senior management. This is where job evaluation comes into its own - reevaluate job and put said Senior Manager into higher pay band. :angry: Currently going through job evaluation. I had to complete the LA job evaluation survey ended up as 84 pages and took a full five days to complete. On a positive note my management wouldn't sign off a part where I stated that I make certain decisions regarding a specialism I have without higher reference as It could make them look redundant. The fact that they aren't qualified to make such decisions nor was the statement wrong was neither here nor there. Sometimes you have to pick your battles. Edited February 23, 2012 by Mr. Miyagi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt Barlow Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Currently going through job evaluation. I had to complete the LA job evaluation survey ended up as 84 pages and took a full five days to complete. On a positive note my management wouldn't sign off a part where I stated that I make certain decisions regarding a specialism I have without higher reference as It could make them look redundant. The fact that they aren't qualified to make such decisions nor was the statement wrong was neither here nor there. Sometimes you have to pick your battles. So glad I got out in 2008. Met an old colleague today who is also a Union Rep - sounds pretty crap for the rank & file staff whilst senior management reward themselves with grade promotions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Georgia O'Keeffe Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Currently going through job evaluation. I had to complete the LA job evaluation survey ended up as 84 pages and took a full five days to complete. On a positive note my management wouldn't sign off a part where I stated that I make certain decisions regarding a specialism I have without higher reference as It could make them look redundant. The fact that they aren't qualified to make such decisions nor was the statement wrong was neither here nor there. Sometimes you have to pick your battles. wtf is going on in the UK, how is it even still floating under that amount of bollarcks? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Unsafe As Houses Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Council workers face third year of pay freezes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17141621 How can it be right for a government to Freeze workers wages and stil increase benefits. This is bound to have an effect on house prices or will it just be the unemployed buying. I don't think this includes progression point increases of circa 1k a year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Miyagi Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 So glad I got out in 2008. Met an old colleague today who is also a Union Rep - sounds pretty crap for the rank & file staff whilst senior management reward themselves with grade promotions I'll know next March, it has only taken them 4 years thus far. I think a back pay claim will be the order of the day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Miyagi Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 wtf is going on in the UK, how is it even still floating under that amount of bollarcks? Think of the poor soul that had to complete it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Miyagi Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I don't think this includes progression point increases of circa 1k a year. 1k is a tad optimistic. It's more in the region of £400. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Miyagi Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) With RBS reporting a near 30% rise in salaries coinciding with a 3rd year of council pay freezes, you couldn't really design a better set of accumulating circumstances for an insurrection if you tried. My pitchfork ninja stars are sharpened Edited February 23, 2012 by Mr. Miyagi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Unsafe As Houses Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 1k is a tad optimistic. It's more in the region of £400. Ok - the increases gets greater the more you earn. £400 is still perhaps not bad when compared with the private sector. It's therefore not entirely true that all local CC employees are getting no pay rise this coming year. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt Barlow Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 wtf is going on in the UK, how is it even still floating under that amount of bollarcks? All part of the job creation scheme run for the sole benefit of HR. The lefty Council I worked for before I was unfairly dismissed (sham redundancy) had an HR team of 23 for a workforce of1100. The irony was that recruitment administration was contracted out to some Capita type leeches which added 10% to all recruitment costs :angry: In contrast the well run (tory) Council I had previously worked for had 8 HR staff for a workforce of 850. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Little Professor Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 3 year pay freeze for public sector workers followed by 2 years of rises being capped to 1%. Meanwhile benefits are going up by 4-5% p.a.. Something wrong here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt Barlow Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 3 year pay freeze for public sector workers followed by 2 years of rises being capped to 1%. Meanwhile benefits are going up by 4-5% p.a.. Something wrong here. Surprising really as many public sector workers (particularly middle rank technical staff) are Tory voters albeit somewhat hessitant and distrustful of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SEW247 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) My heart bleeds, no really it does..... After wasting an hour in Islington Council offices trying to sort out my parking permit because some cretin had set me up as a carer, I came back to my car 6 late to find one of their vultures had let me a parking ticket. :angry: I think it was the fact that out of 8 desks, 6 were 'on lunch' whilst we were all on our lunch breaks trying to sort out our business that wound me up so much, because it was directly correlated with me overstaying my pay and display ticket by 6 mins! As usual I will launch a frivolous appeal to create some work for them to do and then pay it off once my appeal fails. Edit. Typo Edited February 23, 2012 by SEW247 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
@contradevian Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) I'll know next March, it has only taken them 4 years thus far. I think a back pay claim will be the order of the day. At what level do you have to complete the Job Evalutation that in an LA? Senior level or everyone? Loads of job losses in Kirklees, I guess none at higher level. Savings of £15M to be made. Edited February 23, 2012 by "Steed" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leicestersq Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Lower level workers taking all the pain. Those retired people and those at the top are snaffling all the tax. Pensions and top salaries need pruning. I have a lot of sympathy with those who receive low wages from councils, many work hard and deserve a fairer wage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Timak Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I don't think this includes progression point increases of circa 1k a year. In all 6 councils I do HR systems admin for it has been a 0% raise and you stay in the pay band point you are in. 3 of them have offered a £250 one off payment to staff on less than £20k and nothing for those above* * apart from the senior management team who have taken home about 20% pay rises on average after job re-evaluation! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt Barlow Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 In all 6 councils I do HR systems admin for it has been a 0% raise and you stay in the pay band point you are in. 3 of them have offered a £250 one off payment to staff on less than £20k and nothing for those above* * apart from the senior management team who have taken home about 20% pay rises on average after job re-evaluation! Yup - nowt changes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Democorruptcy Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Where did these workers think the money for all those 20% council funded FTB deposits was going to come from? Pay frozen, jobs cut, services cut so that councils can give the money to estate agents, bankers and house builders. It must make the workers proud to be British. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinker Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Where did these workers think the money for all those 20% council funded FTB deposits was going to come from? Pay frozen, jobs cut, services cut so that councils can give the money to estate agents, bankers and house builders. It must make the workers proud to be British. Tragic, isn't it? Of course, the fact that overspending had gone on so long, with expectations raised doesn't help. Of course, no-one saw it coming. About those cuts. Adam Smith Institute. Where is the money going? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt Barlow Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Tragic, isn't it? Of course, the fact that overspending had gone on so long, with expectations raised doesn't help. Of course, no-one saw it coming. About those cuts. Adam Smith Institute. Where is the money going? £13bn in foreign aid (Somalia, Pakistan, India etc) to our friends Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ash4781 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Council workers face third year of pay freezes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17141621 How can it be right for a government to Freeze workers wages and stil increase benefits. This is bound to have an effect on house prices or will it just be the unemployed buying. I thought this was the marginal propensity to save. I did expect a wage freeze over the whole CSR period. Though I think it may extend further than CSR into the next CSR period. It does mean alot of competition for promotion, and also it will be a struggle to hold on to 'talent'. Edited February 23, 2012 by Ash4781 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
guitarman001 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 The real scandal is that those who REALLY need benefits, like the 'proper' disabled, are getting their benefit cut or withdrawn. Benefits are being aimed at those families with kids who want to get into debt to put a roof over their heads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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