robo1968 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 This strike has support. Not as much as the bbc says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Not as much as the bbc says I love the sound of a changing tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHERWICK Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 People can't decry what they themselves are doing. Shortly, everyone will be demanding the state fix their problem, because "if you can pay the bankers £x.yz bn for ******ing up, then you can pay for this." it's coming, 100% guaranteed. It's already here mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaynewcastle Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I wonder how many people posting on here today during working hours are employed in the private sector ?. Never mind, day off tomorrow, chance to put my feet up and relax, dreaming of my gold-plated pension. Sing; if you're jealous & you know it clap your hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I wonder how many people posting on here today during working hours are employed in the private sector ?. Never mind, day off tomorrow, chance to put my feet up and relax, dreaming of my gold-plated pension. Sing; if you're jealous & you know it clap your hands Dreaming is as close as you are going to get. Enjoy your day off, but remember. That which can't happen, won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahoma Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 dreaming of my gold-plated pension Your pension has arrived, Sir. You might need a spade to pick it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I know some Welsh uni workers who, doing a recent strike, basically worked from home. They didn't want to lose a day's wage even though they fully agreed with the strike... but they didn't want to go on strike either... but they also wanted to be thought of as being on strike... So they worked from home, got paid their day's wage and if anyone asked them about the strike they said that they had been on strike. Wonder how many across the public sector will do similar on Wednesday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantic Purple Slug Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I know some Welsh uni workers who, doing a recent strike, basically worked from home. They didn't want to lose a day's wage even though they fully agreed with the strike... but they didn't want to go on strike either... but they also wanted to be thought of as being on strike... So they worked from home, got paid their day's wage and if anyone asked them about the strike they said that they had been on strike. Wonder how many across the public sector will do similar on Wednesday? Can you see the obvious flaw with this approach ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Can you see the obvious flaw with this approach ? Oops, when I said they worked for home... what I meant to say is.... one guy I know went surfing, another guy went jogging and another 2 went on a shopping trip in another city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 the more an more i see/read/hear about the public sector strikes, their reasons behind them etc, the more i think that its "Spoilt Brat Syndrome". I fully understand why the public sector is striking, they want more money, they dont want to loose their pension etc. but i dont agree with it. if you dont like the new terms and conditions go find another job. thats what i'm doing. go an look for a job that is equal or better that YOU could do, then leave. dont be childish. i havent had a pay rise for 4 years, nor a bonus, ovetime was scrapped and i pay for my OWN pension, out of MY own wage. other working conditions have changed/not changed who i am not happy with, i have raised all my concerns with my wage, etc and there is nothing he can really do. if i get the rise i want it will reduce the (minimal) proffit they make, as well as put my charge out rate up, which in this ecconomy is not good. our overheads are high, and we are trying to lower them, but all of our consumables have go up by upto 100% in the last 4 years, this squeezes our margins even more. all the while everything is getting more expensive for me, as a consumer. its costing me mor money to go to work, its costing me more money to heat my home, eat, etc. then all i hear is the public sector bleating on about how hard doneby they are. try working for 50 hours + for the last 4 years, and get no over time. being paid for 37.5 hours only oh its so easy, put the taxes up, and yes you lot pay taxes as well, but you taking out of the system far more than your putting in. I, as a White male, living with my G/F, no kids, etc both working professionals, get NO handouts from the government in anyway what so ever. we both pay for private health care and private dentists. yes there are services we use, Bin Collection, but i recycle more than most. all i see is approx 70+% of my wage being spent on taxes, for what? to have it thrown back in my face by ungreatful children saying its not enough. I am in one of the highest taxed groups, i smoke i drink i drive i dont mind paying taxes, its a neccessary evil, but when they keep going up and i actually get less for the money (road surfaces deteriorating faster/getting fixed less etc) when people who are on the receiving end of them should think about the wider world before they start spouting ****** i am FORCED to pay taxes, if i dont i'll get billed, and possibly put in prison, i have no choice, its not like a supermarket, where if i dissagree with their prices etc i'll go to another supermarket, and IF you lot get your way my taxes go up, with no question of if or how i am to pay for it. they just go up. i cant strike from paying tax. i have very little say as to where/how my taxes are spent. are you willing to pay 100% more for your Coffee at starbucks etc as all starbucks employees want a pay rise, and if they dont they will strike. Oh hang on they cant strike or they'll get sacked. what about their pensions? they dont get one that paid for them. how about your local pub putting up all the prices for alcohol by 200% as the staff want a final salary pension? if they dont get it they'll strike. Oh hang on they cant strike or they'll get sacked. i dont care if you lot strike, stay on strike for all i care, but think about what you are trying to acheive, and how you expect it to be paid for. be lucky you actually have a job, the ONLY thing that George Osbourne has ever said thati agree with was today, when he announced the pay free and capped 1% rise in 2013 and 2014. he said " this is to help the people paying the taxes which pay for these wages". Finally, spot f*uking on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) if i got my pay rise, and my company put up my charge out rate, we WILL loose business, as my customers will want to save money and go else where, as their overheads are going up too. i dont have a choice of who i get ot collect my bins, you just tell me how much i have to pay. i want to see exactly a brake down of every penny in tax i pay broken down to see where its gone, if i put my prices up i have to justify them, so why can the government? Edited November 29, 2011 by Monkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I wonder how many people posting on here today during working hours are employed in the private sector ?. ahh, but they have GCSEs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaynewcastle Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 If thats all they've got, then yes thats probably why they're in the private sector I guess, & having to pay for their own pensions, as well as mine, instead of getting somebody else to pay it for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billfunk Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 If thats all they've got, then yes thats probably why they're in the private sector I guess, & having to pay for their own pensions, as well as mine, instead of getting somebody else to pay it for them It's a non-racial, economic form of Aparteid, Jayne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) What gets me is that the Unions have orderd NHS workers, to strike, not for themselves, but purely to support the F@rkin teachers!!! :angry: So the people who needed NHS care on Wednesday at the local infirmary will not get it. [i know this as my Dad who is in his late seventies goes to a physio class with a bunch of other geriatrics. The physio walked in and told them last wednesday, that all of their appointments are cancelled next week, and gave this as the reason] If someone works and pays tax for over 50 years, you would think, the NHS would be there when he needed them. Edited November 29, 2011 by Milton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo1968 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I wonder how many people posting on here today during working hours are employed in the private sector ?. Never mind, day off tomorrow, chance to put my feet up and relax, dreaming of my gold-plated pension. Sing; if you're jealous & you know it clap your hands I must confess I was working today while I was posting today But I must also confess I started at 6.30 have worked all day without a break (apart from being on here) am now at home and am still working now and will be handling mails from all round the world til about 11. I am not bitter about not being in the Public sector, I am not cut out for it and love what I do, just fed up listening to self interested people who don't understand maths or what is going on in the world I have the day off too tomorrow, simply because I am taking the opportunity to spend a day with my son, not because I have to but because I want to I don't think I am alone in having little sympathy for those striking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 If thats all they've got, then yes thats probably why they're in the private sector I guess, & having to pay for their own pensions, as well as mine, instead of getting somebody else to pay it for them you're a nob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaynewcastle Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Oh no, the toys are coming out of the pram. (again) Suggest you get a life & a job instead of trying to act like a hard man behind your computer screen Sad boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billfunk Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Oh no, the toys are coming out of the pram. (again) Suggest you get a life & a job instead of trying to act like a hard man behind your computer screen Sad boy Just out of interest, and to take the ad homs out of the discussion, how do you justify your position in supporting the strikes and revelling in the glaring difference between public and private sector pension arrangements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Oh no, the toys are coming out of the pram. (again) Suggest you get a life & a job instead of trying to act like a hard man behind your computer screen Sad boy the toys came out of the pram with the strikes, the revelling in others' poverty marks you out as pernicious and nasty I merely summed this up in a word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ayatollah Buggeri Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I know some Welsh uni workers who, doing a recent strike, basically worked from home. They didn't want to lose a day's wage even though they fully agreed with the strike... but they didn't want to go on strike either... but they also wanted to be thought of as being on strike... So they worked from home, got paid their day's wage and if anyone asked them about the strike they said that they had been on strike. Wonder how many across the public sector will do similar on Wednesday? With the exception of the union reps, virtually the entire academic workforce of my institution who don't have timetabled teaching and/or meetings tomorrow (if they do, then they either have to show up or notify the management that they're taking part in the strike, thereby triggering the loss of wages) will be doing precisely that. I'm sure it's absolutely no coincidence that this strike has been called for Wednesday: Wednesday afternoons are traditionally kept clear of regularly scheduled events in universities (to enable students' sports matches to take place and stuff like that), thereby increasing the number of people who will be able to 'strike but not strike'. I say virtually, because even though I don't have any timetabled sessions tomorrow, I am striking and have notified the management accordingly. This is not because I support the strike in any ideological way, shape or form, but because I could use use time to write up a consultancy report commissioned from me independently of the university. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsaucer Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Just out of interest, and to take the ad homs out of the discussion, how do you justify your position in supporting the strikes and revelling in the glaring difference between public and private sector pension arrangements? I don't think many public sector workers are revelling in the poor deal their private sector counterparts get. the unions have been vocal in calling for levelling up rather than reducing all workers to the lowest common denominator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I don't think many public sector workers are revelling in the poor deal their private sector counterparts get. the unions have been vocal in calling for levelling up rather than reducing all workers to the lowest common denominator. In the past week there have been numerous public sector workers interviewed on TV and radio almost gloating about their pensions compared to the private sector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billfunk Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I don't think many public sector workers are revelling in the poor deal their private sector counterparts get. the unions have been vocal in calling for levelling up rather than reducing all workers to the lowest common denominator. How would the government be able to afford to pay 18-22 million private sector employees what they pay public sector employees currently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsaucer Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 In the past week there have been numerous public sector workers interviewed on TV and radio almost gloating about their pensions compared to the private sector. 'almost gloating'? They're idiots then, and have fallen for the govt's divide and rule tactics as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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