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Uk Jobs Market Faces 'slow, Painful Contraction'

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/14/unemployment-and-employment-statistics-unemployment

The jobs market is facing a "slow, painful contraction", with firms scaling back decisions on whether to recruit more staff against a background of global economic "turmoil", a report has warned.

The Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD) predicted that the employment situation would get worse for the rest of the year – while it says medium-term prospects are no better.

It said the private sector would grow at a slower pace in the next three months. The number of firms planning to relocate jobs abroad and recruit overseas workers had also fallen, it added.

The quarterly survey of 1,000 employers also found confidence in the public sector remained low for the next three months and would get worse next year.

Gerwyn Davies, public policy adviser at the CIPD, said: "The figures point to a slow, painful contraction in the jobs market. Many firms appear to be locked in wait-and-see mode, with some companies scaling back on all employment decisions against a backdrop of increasing uncertainty as a result of the eurozone crisis and wider global economic turmoil.

Looks like the jobless recovery is going to gain more traction in securing our wealthy future...

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/14/unemployment-and-employment-statistics-unemployment

Looks like the jobless recovery is going to gain more traction in securing our wealthy future...

And yet, in that same article, the Guardian goes on to say:

"There are jobs out there, with Jobcentre Plus taking on 10,000 vacancies every working day. Our new Work Programme will make a big difference in ensuring that people on out-of-work benefits get the right support to get into employment."

Spin, glorious spin! Is that new vacancies? Even only considering working days per year, that works out at around 2.5 million new jobs a year, all going through job centre plus. Mmm, something fishy about their counting system for vacancies? If there are 100 job centres and they all have the same vacancy, did that get counted as 100 jobs or 1 job?

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And yet, in that same article, the Guardian goes on to say:

"There are jobs out there, with Jobcentre Plus taking on 10,000 vacancies every working day. Our new Work Programme will make a big difference in ensuring that people on out-of-work benefits get the right support to get into employment."

Spin, glorious spin! Is that new vacancies? Even only considering working days per year, that works out at around 2.5 million new jobs a year, all going through job centre plus. Mmm, something fishy about their counting system for vacancies? If there are 100 job centres and they all have the same vacancy, did that get counted as 100 jobs or 1 job?

Bucket loads of short term contract, no pension, no bens, min wage jobs being recycled through the system. that is all this economy can create.

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And yet, in that same article, the Guardian goes on to say:

"There are jobs out there, with Jobcentre Plus taking on 10,000 vacancies every working day. Our new Work Programme will make a big difference in ensuring that people on out-of-work benefits get the right support to get into employment."

Spin, glorious spin! Is that new vacancies? Even only considering working days per year, that works out at around 2.5 million new jobs a year, all going through job centre plus. Mmm, something fishy about their counting system for vacancies? If there are 100 job centres and they all have the same vacancy, did that get counted as 100 jobs or 1 job?

On top of probably dodgy counting there is also the problem of there being four separate adverts for one job - quite often an employer advertises a job and then a number of agencies also advertise for the same job. And there's also a plague of dodgy commission only, self-employed and scammy looking jobs ads asking for a cv to be sent to a free email address.

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Bucket loads of short term contract, no pension, no bens, min wage jobs being recycled through the system. that is all this economy can create.

Usually in windswept, trading estates with poor or non-existant bus services so on transport alone, it can cost around an hour's wage just for transport to and from the place before you even start.

If it's a zero-hour contract, you're doubly screwed.

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Bucket loads of short term contract, no pension, no bens, min wage jobs being recycled through the system. that is all this economy can create.

there are more people working for jobcentre plus than jobs available. its allways been a crock of shit. add in the private firms paid to give so called training courses to the people that cant afford to work and its a right old scam going on. just like schools and council and hospitals, the first priority is to look after the people that work there, the customers come far down the list.

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On top of probably dodgy counting there is also the problem of there being four separate adverts for one job - quite often an employer advertises a job and then a number of agencies also advertise for the same job. And there's also a plague of dodgy commission only, self-employed and scammy looking jobs ads asking for a cv to be sent to a free email address.

+1

I have experience of this having worked for the DWP - my benefits office was sneakily merged into a contact centre and I endured 5months of mindless data entry (job adverts going onto the Labour Market System (LMS)) and can confirm this as truth.

In addition we/they took on loads of 'self-employed' vacancies that could not guarantee the minimum wage and usually quite sh*t such as sold out window sales specialists. An example would be the wine wholesaler offering up self-employed vacancies promising the earth and advertised nationally, they had a good legal department so were able to get around the rules and renew the vacancies every couple of weeks, closing down the previous non job, this recycling alone would have 'added' 250 jobs to the economy everytime.

Then there were the Indian takeaways that existed only in legal entity and nothing else (no bricks and mortar) fset-up to take advantage of a loop hole for overseas workers (immigration). Each of the 6-700 call handlers would put up a few of them each shift so ~1000 a day.

Next we had the agencies duplicating employer vacancies, if it was factory work then that could represent 30 NMW positions x 2 agency postings = 100 'jobs'. Agencies would also speculate non existent jobs to garner CVs

the list was endless, I could go on.

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Radio5 live 9am phone in was positive. Majority of business folks saying they are expanding and doing well etc. Blaming British negativity and saying it's not true.

It got me thinking. Which business not doing well would phone in at 9am on a Monday. They would be out working their asses off trying to get in new business.

And if they weren't doing well who would phone in and trash talk their own company (that they own)?

Seemed like a pointless phone in after giving it just a little thought. Tomorrows phone in is "if you are a Turkey, what do you think about Christmas?"

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there are more people working for jobcentre plus than jobs available. its allways been a crock of shit. add in the private firms paid to give so called training courses to the people that cant afford to work and its a right old scam going on. just like schools and council and hospitals, the first priority is to look after the people that work there, the customers come far down the list.

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Your pain, their gain.

Say no? Ha then we'll replace your democratically elected ruler.

Keep the mantras coming, the truth will sink in for the 99% eventually.

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And yet, in that same article, the Guardian goes on to say:

"There are jobs out there, with Jobcentre Plus taking on 10,000 vacancies every working day. Our new Work Programme will make a big difference in ensuring that people on out-of-work benefits get the right support to get into employment."

Spin, glorious spin! Is that new vacancies? Even only considering working days per year, that works out at around 2.5 million new jobs a year, all going through job centre plus. Mmm, something fishy about their counting system for vacancies? If there are 100 job centres and they all have the same vacancy, did that get counted as 100 jobs or 1 job?

I think there are 10,000 job centre pluses all attracting 1 job each.

heres one:

This is a self employed vacancy.

Job No:

COU/47056

SOC Code:

8215

Posted 1st August 2011....one of 250 current jobs.

or this one.....no wages at all

This is a self employed vacancy. This is an exciting opportunity to join a progressive company and earn a fantastic wage selling our wills and probate packages. We are currently looking for a Sales manager to drive sales and revenue through our professional Will Consultants nationwide. You will be helped to recruit 10/15 sales associates.

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