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Isn't this just the pros exploiting the amateurs again?

hows that then?

If you are a shareholder, frankly volatility and daily, weekly, monthly moves are irrelevant, if trading anyone thinking its one big conspiracy can simply stop trading, theres no force involved which is a general prerequisite for exploitation

The FTSE is 15% lower than it was 6 months ago, it might be 50% down in another 6 months, or 50% up, how its moving on a daily basis is irrelevant noise to anyone but Traders

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hows that then?

If you are a shareholder, frankly volatility and daily, weekly, monthly moves are irrelevant, if trading anyone thinking its one big conspiracy can simply stop trading, theres no force involved which is a general prerequisite for exploitation

The FTSE is 15% lower than it was 6 months ago, it might be 50% down in another 6 months, or 50% up, how its moving on a daily basis is irrelevant noise to anyone but Traders

Still, at least it doubles every ten years ( or so I was told 20 years ago ), so no one cares about when they buy into a share scheme scam.

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Still, at least it doubles every ten years ( or so I was told 20 years ago ), so no one cares about when they buy into a share scheme scam.

Its not exactly a scam, its the same as any asset class, it has periods of boom,bust and stability the same as property, commodities, cash, bonds, art, wine whatever. Generally as long as you buy at good value you will do OK. what represents value is the ever changing personal parameter

Edited by Tamara De Lempicka

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not worth starting a thread like this until its 10% down imo

Reason why its going down across Europe is that Italian bonds are crashing today, seems like no buyers lots of sellers. They passed 6.66% now, and worry is the spread between them and the other key Euro Nations is almost coming to a magically marker which could start triggering events in contracts.

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We are in a bear mkt. Have been for months. Good time to sell some is NOW. Sell more if goes higher.

2012/13 will be doozys. 2008? Croc Dundee: That's not a crash. This is a crash.

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Its not exactly a scam, its the same as any asset class,

It is a scam when the media are telling you to invest your money there, when bank/insurance salesmen are telling you the market doubles every 10 years...when the BBC sends out the message..invest in the stock market you cant loose.....That's a scam....regardless of which asset class they do it with !!!!!!

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hows that then?

Some obvious bad news arrives last week - the Euro "bailout" is not going to go as smoothly as first thought - what would the layman expect?

He would expect the price of many exposed companies to fall.

They don't... "aha, thinks the army of smart little guys, I'll hold (or in some cases) buy more".

The ship looks steady, with prices even rising perhaps, and then a few days later...

Bang! A bunch of market makers sell a large tranche of shares...

Little guy goes into panic mode - nerves are collectively lost and the price starts falling.

Market maker buys back in a day or so later and makes a nice tidy sum.

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theres no force involved which is a general prerequisite for exploitation

Seems like informational asymmetry would be enough.

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Have just been reading on twitter that Berklusconi is close to resigning (aka being given the push)...

ReutersLJucca
Libero deputy ed-in-chief
@FrancoBechis
says
#Berlusconi
to
#resign
tonight or tomorrow morning. Paper is very close to
#Italy's PM
#crisis
retweeted by GavanNolan 29 minutes ago

Hard to decipher!

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Some obvious bad news arrives last week - the Euro "bailout" is not going to go as smoothly as first thought - what would the layman expect?

He would expect the price of many exposed companies to fall.

They don't... "aha, thinks the army of smart little guys, I'll hold (or in some cases) buy more".

The ship looks steady, with prices even rising perhaps, and then a few days later...

Bang! A bunch of market makers sell a large tranche of shares...

Little guy goes into panic mode - nerves are collectively lost and the price starts falling.

Market maker buys back in a day or so later and makes a nice tidy sum.

It is a scam when the media are telling you to invest your money there, when bank/insurance salesmen are telling you the market doubles every 10 years...when the BBC sends out the message..invest in the stock market you cant loose.....That's a scam....regardless of which asset class they do it with !!!!!!

You are both simply describing natural human behaviour, thats not a scam

People become most certain of further upside and bullish at tops and most certain of further downside and bearish at bottoms, that is completely logical market behaviour (and the basic physics of reality and mathematics driven by supply and demand of shares which has to be inverse to expectation) markets have to move the opposite direction to strong belief and perception, nothing scammish about it

If anyone thinks through the mechanism of share price movements carefully (supply/demand) against what drives that supply and demand (bullishness/bearishness) it is pure and inevitable logic for shares to act counter to belief and expectation. Simply put you run out of buyers in a bull market and sellers in a bear market and you run out of them at the most extreme of each obviously

Edited by Tamara De Lempicka

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We are in a bear mkt. Have been for months. Good time to sell some is NOW. Sell more if goes higher.

2012/13 will be doozys. 2008? Croc Dundee: That's not a crash. This is a crash.

Surely it's been a bear market since 99? Apart from dividends performance overall has been poor?

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You are both simply describing natural human behaviour, thats not a scam

People become most certain of further upside and bullish at tops and most certain of further downside and bearish at bottoms, that is completely logical market behaviour (and the basic physics of reality and mathematics driven by supply and demand of shares which has to be inverse to expectation) markets have to move the opposite direction to strong belief and perception, nothing scammish about it

There can only be a few people (maybe those with mental handicaps) who expected the Eurozone bailout to work having read the umm, detail ( ;) ). The fact the reaction to bad news is delayed by a week or more in these cases is therefore a mystery. As is the increasing frequency of these days of sudden selling, causing a 2+% drop, only to recover over the subsequent week.

It's almost as if some organisations actually made money from executing trades on behalf of others? <_<

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There can only be a few people (maybe those with mental handicaps) who expected the Eurozone bailout to work having read the umm, detail ( ;) ). The fact the reaction to bad news is delayed by a week or more in these cases is therefore a mystery. As is the increasing frequency of these days of sudden selling, causing a 2+% drop, only to recover over the subsequent week.

It's almost as if some organisations actually made money from executing trades on behalf of others? <_<

Well thats the beauty of markets, any participant is making a decision based on their own emotions at that moment in time they hit the buy or sell button, millions of people acting on their own information, belief and emotion is clearly not going to deliver expcted results for those millions of people because they are all acting under different assumptions and stresses.

As for the frequency and volatility of the market, thats normal in a falling market, volatility always increases due to added uncertainty and additional stress of the participants involved

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Surely it's been a bear market since 99? Apart from dividends performance overall has been poor?

There are secualr markets and cyclical markets.

Yes, of course we have been in a secular bear since end 99. Been in cyclical bear since the Summer.

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Surely it's been a bear market since 99? Apart from dividends performance overall has been poor?

Yup - focus investment strategy on quality dividend stocks and buy into weakness. Overall Im 6% up on the year plus had about £1950 in dividends so reasonably content given the turmoil.

buying and selling at the slightest move (1%!!!!!!) just makes the brokers rich ;)

Edited by Kurt Barlow

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The Berlusconi Bounce:

peter_tl
When the mere rumour of your imminent resignation causes a pan-European market rally, it really is time to go.
#Berlusconi
retweeted by faisalislam 6 minutes ago

:lol:

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