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I suspect most right-minded people are not displeased to see the back of these blood-soaked aristocrats and hang-on hooray-henries.

Perhaps the same tactices could be used to encourage more reverse immigration to France for other groups of undesirables. Ideas anyone?

Should also help to reduce housing demand here.

Fox-hunters are fleeing to France to pursue their passion, says Chris Wilson

After performing more than her fair share of property-related miracles, St Therese of Jesus has been adopted as the patron saint of estate agents.

Fox hunting has been a tradition in Pau for the last 165 years

It is not clear how much her influence was brought to bear on the recent banning of fox-hunting in England but, just in case, estate agents around the town of Pau, in south-west France, are on their knees giving thanks to her for the bonanza it has brought them.

Telegraph Fox-Hunting in France

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I suspect most right-minded people are not displeased to see the back of these blood-soaked aristocrats and hang-on hooray-henries.

Perhaps the same tactices could be used to encourage more reverse immigration to France for other groups of undesirables. Ideas anyone?

Should also help to reduce housing demand here.

Fox-hunters are fleeing to France to pursue their passion, says Chris Wilson

After performing more than her fair share of property-related miracles, St Therese of Jesus has been adopted as the patron saint of estate agents.

Fox hunting has been a tradition in Pau for the last 165 years

It is not clear how much her influence was brought to bear on the recent banning of fox-hunting in England but, just in case, estate agents around the town of Pau, in south-west France, are on their knees giving thanks to her for the bonanza it has brought them.

Telegraph Fox-Hunting in France

Ooh. I thought this was about French birds, not interested now.

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If the government wants to see an end to bloody deaths for fluffy animals, it should instantly impose a 20mph speed limit on all road and rail throughout the country.

I counted no less than 4 animal carcasses (two positively identified as foxes) on my way to the office this morning, and not a huntsman in sight.

In the past month I have hit 2 rabbits, 1 pre-stunned pigeon and narrowly avoided a wild boar (the last two on a motorcycle).

/btp

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If the government wants to see an end to bloody deaths for fluffy animals, it should instantly impose a 20mph speed limit on all road and rail throughout the country.

I counted no less than 4 animal carcasses (two positively identified as foxes) on my way to the office this morning, and not a huntsman in sight.

In the past month I have hit 2 rabbits, 1 pre-stunned pigeon and narrowly avoided a wild boar (the last two on a motorcycle).

/btp

What were a pigeon and a wild boar doing on a motorcycle?

Sorry, I'll get me coat, but someone had to say it :D

Peter.

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What were a pigeon and a wild boar doing on a motorcycle?

Sorry, I'll get me coat, but someone had to say it :D

Peter.

Driving around the countryside running foxes over by the sounds of it.

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If the government wants to see an end to bloody deaths for fluffy animals, it should instantly impose a 20mph speed limit on all road and rail throughout the country.

It doesn't. This is nothing to do with 'bloody deaths for fluffy animals' (if it was, they'd be encouraging the killing of foxes, who mercilessly slaughter fluffy animals, often purely for fun), it's tired old socialist 'class war': just see the comments that opened the thread, if you believe otherwise.

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I suspect most right-minded people are not displeased to see the back of these blood-soaked aristocrats and hang-on hooray-henries.

Perhaps the same tactices could be used to encourage more reverse immigration to France for other groups of undesirables. Ideas anyone?

Should also help to reduce housing demand here.

Fox-hunters are fleeing to France to pursue their passion, says Chris Wilson

After performing more than her fair share of property-related miracles, St Therese of Jesus has been adopted as the patron saint of estate agents.

Fox hunting has been a tradition in Pau for the last 165 years

It is not clear how much her influence was brought to bear on the recent banning of fox-hunting in England but, just in case, estate agents around the town of Pau, in south-west France, are on their knees giving thanks to her for the bonanza it has brought them.

Telegraph Fox-Hunting in France

Fox hunters have a screw loose as do a good proportion of the French. They subscribe to the view that Humans have been given other species to use as play things. Such Humans frame foxes as vermin, when of course Humans themselves are the real vermin in the eyes of all other species.

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It doesn't. This is nothing to do with 'bloody deaths for fluffy animals' (if it was, they'd be encouraging the killing of foxes, who mercilessly slaughter fluffy animals, often purely for fun), it's tired old socialist 'class war': just see the comments that opened the thread, if you believe otherwise.

While I would like to think the ban is about cruelty to animals and sadism, you're probably right Mark.

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It doesn't. This is nothing to do with 'bloody deaths for fluffy animals' (if it was, they'd be encouraging the killing of foxes, who mercilessly slaughter fluffy animals, often purely for fun), it's tired old socialist 'class war':

Foxes dont 'mercilessly' slaughter. They are wild creatures acting upon natural instinct to restrict the supply of meat available for competitor foxes as insurance against lean times.

Humans are the only true pest. We are the only animal that conciously oversees the destruction of natural spaces for the benefit of billions of us.

The class war argument holds some validity but for me (a country person) this has no relevance. Banning hunting is about respect and its ONLY THE START.

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I offer not a moral viewpoint on foxhunting but ask the question.

If this is a matter of importance and bearing in mind the drive towards "Harmonisation" within the EU, why has the current UK Government not pushed for a foxhunting ban throughout the EU?

Would it be cynical of me to suggest they knew of this possibility?

Please the Antis here in the UK but the Hunters have their pastime albeit with a little inconvenience.

Then there's the matter of all the birds shot across the EU.

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While I would like to think the ban is about cruelty to animals and sadism, you're probably right Mark.

Yup, this definitely has more to do with class war than any notion of animal welfare - from a purely numbers perspective, there are much more pressing animal welfare issues that could be tackled...battery farms etc. etc. The hunting debate is unfortunately a sympton of NuLab social control and class warfare, neatly dressed up in a wonderful 'f**k the toffs' overcoat.

To take the example of Stag hunting on Exmoor, the practise is not purely for the thrill of the chase - it has (had) an important pest-control role to play, and I can personally assure you that people from EVERY class in the countryside got involved. The sad alternative now it is banned is an increased rate of shooting and injury to deer as they over-breed and become a serious problem. They (and foxes) are a pest to farmers, who only tolerate them because of the hunt.

This whole sorry episode is just an example of the growing 'natural' illiteracy of the stupid british public who are convinced that 'nature' is all harmony and fluffy-bunnies, Foxes are cute, cuddly little animals, and a pint of milk comes from the supermarket. Ride-roughshod over centuries of tradition, we know best, arrogant and complacent attitude of the average city-dwelling fool who has become utterly detached from nature.

Next time you are shovelling your hormone-soaked chicken down, try to imagine: would you rather be the accelerated-growth chicken you are eating, couped up with no daylight from egg to guaranteed slaughter in 8 weeks?

or the free-running stag?

The overwhelming majority of UK public wouldn't know nature if it came up and bit them on the ar5e. Their opinion of nature comes from SUV adverts. Pathetic and dangerous, because their ignorance in matters 'natural', coupled with their majority status, doesn't prevent them from deciding what people who actually live in the country can and can't do.

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Foxes dont 'mercilessly' slaughter. They are wild creatures acting upon natural instinct to restrict the supply of meat available for competitor foxes as insurance against lean times.

Humans are the only true pest. We are the only animal that conciously oversees the destruction of natural spaces for the benefit of billions of us.

The class war argument holds some validity but for me (a country person) this has no relevance. Banning hunting is about respect and its ONLY THE START.

Ah - would you prefer genocide? Or survival of the fittest? One wonders where the unholy alliance between the far right and the animal rights lobby ends.

Maybe we are closer to ants? We live in colonies, some of us farm (some ants farm aphids), destroy anything in our path (is it soldier ants? I forget), and are ruled by a fat queen (hmmm, could be Prezza I guess).

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I suspect most right-minded people are not displeased to see the back of these blood-soaked aristocrats and hang-on hooray-henries.

Obviously Labour's strategy of invoking class envy has worked well on you.

First they came for the Toffs and I did not speak out because I was not a Toff.

Then they came for the Hippies and I did not speak out and I did not speak out for I was not a Hippy...

You should recognise an exercise in raw power when you see one, making a perfectly legal and long standing practice illegal says more than the actual act itself, this is regardless of toffs or their strange persuit of fluffy animals.

One day they will use this as a precedent to abolish something you do actually care about, or your much loved Gaia theory.

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Fox hunters have a screw loose as do a good proportion of the French. They subscribe to the view that Humans have been given other species to use as play things. Such Humans frame foxes as vermin, when of course Humans themselves are the real vermin in the eyes of all other species.

Bang on. We cause more problems than the entire animal kingdom put together, but we just call it progression and improvement.

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Obviously Labour's strategy of invoking class envy has worked well on you.

. . .

One day they will use this as a precedent to abolish something you do actually care about, or your much loved Gaia theory.

Class envy? Nope, not me. Gold coins? Sorry. Gaia? What's that all about then?

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arrogant and complacent attitude of the average city-dwelling fool who has become utterly detached from nature.

Next time you are shovelling your hormone-soaked chicken down, try to imagine: would you rather be the accelerated-growth chicken you are eating, couped up with no daylight from egg to guaranteed slaughter in 8 weeks?

Im a country dweller, and like most of my neighbours am against blood sports. I know far more about nature compared to my hedge mowing farmer freinds, thats for sure. They see everything from a Human perspective, I see debate about nature from a Human and an animal / enviroment perspective.

The point is Fox hunting is a potent symbol of Human thoughtlessness. As such a high profile easily understood symbol it became the number one target, but this is only the beginning.

I am appauled at the way we rear chickens (much more important than Foxes as you say) but now we have the hunting victory we can turn our fire on such matters.

The ultimate goal is to rid the planet of all unavoidable cruelty and enviromental degradation. Hunt banning is only the beggining.

All Humans will one day understand the fantastic 'against all odds' opportunuity we have been given to inhabit such a place as the Earth, and learn to TRULY appreciate the natural (only) world we have.

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What's next then?

Animal rearing (for food), shooting and Angleing.

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Im a country dweller, and like most of my neighbours am against blood sports. I know far more about nature compared to my hedge mowing farmer freinds, thats for sure. They see everything from a Human perspective, I see debate about nature from a Human and an animal / enviroment perspective.

The point is Fox hunting is a potent symbol of Human thoughtlessness. As such a high profile easily understood symbol it became the number one target, but this is only the beginning.

I am appauled at the way we rear chickens (much more important than Foxes as you say) but now we have the hunting victory we can turn our fire on such matters.

The ultimate goal is to rid the planet of all unavoidable cruelty and enviromental degradation. Hunt banning is only the beggining.

All Humans will one day understand the fantastic 'against all odds' opportunuity we have been given to inhabit such a place as the Earth, and learn to TRULY appreciate the natural (only) world we have.

Could you please detail your experience in land, livestock and environmental management, over the ignorant farmer, just so we know the background on your perspective? I'm also disgusted by conditions in which some animals are kept.

I'm a suburban/town/city boy so haven't much knowledge of the issues. I sometimes watch Countyfile with a hangover (habit from a previous partner being a farmer's daughter I guess).

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Animal rearing (for food), shooting and Angleing.

Smooth, will I still be able to grab berries off trees? Or is that cruel in this vegan world of ours, I feel bad when I take the chopping knife to a lettice, same for carrot and spuds, doesn't seem right.

Mosquitoes leave me in a moral quandry, should I really brush them off and damage their way of life.

I wish I was a fluffy bunny instead, there's loads of nice foxes to play about with now :rolleyes:

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Im a country dweller, and like most of my neighbours am against blood sports. I know far more about nature compared to my hedge mowing farmer freinds, thats for sure. They see everything from a Human perspective, I see debate about nature from a Human and an animal / enviroment perspective.

The point is Fox hunting is a potent symbol of Human thoughtlessness. As such a high profile easily understood symbol it became the number one target, but this is only the beginning.

I am appauled at the way we rear chickens (much more important than Foxes as you say) but now we have the hunting victory we can turn our fire on such matters.

The ultimate goal is to rid the planet of all unavoidable cruelty and enviromental degradation. Hunt banning is only the beggining.

All Humans will one day understand the fantastic 'against all odds' opportunuity we have been given to inhabit such a place as the Earth, and learn to TRULY appreciate the natural (only) world we have.

Weak Anthropic principle anyone?

I grew up as a hedge-mowing farmer, and my old man obviously knew where the balance was between man and nature - he was living it for forty years. There are unfortunately many instances of industrialised agriculture that are undoubtably set against nature (the dreaded chicken-rearing) and I wholeheartedly agree these need to be sorted out pronto...but this was not my Dad: he was a hill-farmer, and it is a bit of a joke that you can sit there and blithly state that you know more about nature than someone like him. Maybe the farmers round your way are more 'agri-businessmen'.

I agree with you that nature obviously needs a LOT more respect from us than we currently give it, but I would venture that the hunt as an institution recognised and celebrated one of the central realities of nature...that it is 'red in tooth and claw'. Many of the average joes who followed the hunt were farmers, farm workers, farriers, rangers and the other myriad occupations of people who are directly involved with the countryside on a daily basis.

It is this sort of person who has a PROPER appreciation of the natural world (which is not a magazine cover) -not the alfalfa munching guardianista waffling on about how awful hunting is for the environment whilst digging into their 'Travel to Bali' Holiday supplement.

Go after those f**kers first is what I say (set the hounds on them?).

Banning hunting is as BuyingBear stated predominantly an exercise in power aimed at a caricatured and convenient target (the 'toffs')...it has precious little to do with protecting nature.

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The old ones are the best ones.

Boring day in the office, factory, on the road or at home?

Logon to one of your forums and start a thread on oh, why women can't drive, immigration or perhaps foxhunting.

Sit back and enjoy.

Good bait.

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Weak Anthropic principle anyone?

I grew up as a hedge-mowing farmer, and my old man obviously knew where the balance was between man and nature - he was living it for forty years. There are unfortunately many instances of industrialised agriculture that are undoubtably set against nature (the dreaded chicken-rearing) and I wholeheartedly agree these need to be sorted out pronto...but this was not my Dad: he was a hill-farmer, and it is a bit of a joke that you can sit there and blithly state that you know more about nature than someone like him. Maybe the farmers round your way are more 'agri-businessmen'.

I agree with you that nature obviously needs a LOT more respect from us than we currently give it, but I would venture that the hunt as an institution recognised and celebrated one of the central realities of nature...that it is 'red in tooth and claw'. Many of the average joes who followed the hunt were farmers, farm workers, farriers, rangers and the other myriad occupations of people who are directly involved with the countryside on a daily basis.

It is this sort of person who has a PROPER appreciation of the natural world (which is not a magazine cover) -not the alfalfa munching guardianista waffling on about how awful hunting is for the environment whilst digging into their 'Travel to Bali' Holiday supplement.

Go after those f**kers first is what I say (set the hounds on them?).

Banning hunting is as BuyingBear stated predominantly an exercise in power aimed at a caricatured and convenient target (the 'toffs')...it has precious little to do with protecting nature.

Very eloquent.

But fox hunters are still blood-soaked aristocrats and hang-on hooray-henries. Surely that's not controversial?

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