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What job-fields are:

(a) in decline for the forseeable (coming 5 yrs)

and what are

(b ) increasing in employment for the forseeable?

my guesses immediately are (a) in decline - public sector, universities, etc (b ) increasing - banking (unfortunately) , ????

other peoples' views?

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Not banking.

It's seen a rise since the crash with the extra work created by mergers etc, but this is now reversing.

Some areas (risk and reg) will continue to expand, but banking generally should shrink as they move away from the casino stuff and more towards servicing retail banks and companies.

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The solar panel fitters and domestic insulation experts are enjoying a boom time, I believe.

Sales of patchwork quilt fabric and other haberdashery are booming (I have a friend in the trade) while women head back to the home and attempt quixotically to save money by making do and mending and setting up little bunting-cupcake style craft businesses on Etsy. (Same applies to cake decorations and edible glittery sugar hearts, I expect.)

Seed companies are doing quite well too.

Universities will depend; if you are teaching sociology to students from England you will be worse off than if you are teaching Mathematical Finance to students from India and China.

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In all seriousness, I expect bailiffs and companies that board up unused premises to be having a good spell.

In times of prolonged recession, those that can provide basic services at basic prices tend to do well - budget hairdressers, Aldi etc. I used both of those any way and have never seen either of them as busy as recently.

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The solar panel fitters and domestic insulation experts are enjoying a boom time, I believe.

Sales of patchwork quilt fabric and other haberdashery are booming (I have a friend in the trade) while women head back to the home and attempt quixotically to save money by making do and mending and setting up little bunting-cupcake style craft businesses on Etsy. (Same applies to cake decorations and edible glittery sugar hearts, I expect.)

Seed companies are doing quite well too.

Universities will depend; if you are teaching sociology to students from England you will be worse off than if you are teaching Mathematical Finance to students from India and China.

Talk of the subsidy about to be pulled. It's not one to get into now.

Sugar in short supply, prices increasing in the EU too I believe. Can't charge £2 for a cupcake when money is tight.

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Two people I know have just got jobs.

1. Mate, age 22 just landed a graduate training job with BMW which includes 3 months in Munich, nice

2. GF, contract ends at 3 end of this month, had interview yesterday for new contract and got it with slight increase in daily rate to £400

3. My current project runs to the end of next year so I seem to be ok here and even then here in Switzerland I get 70% of my monthly rate from my unemployment insurance if they give me the boot :)

The jobs market will always be either

A: Bad

B: Worse than bad

If you're unskilled. What do you expect anyway if you're unskilled, anyone can do what you so you're not needed, are never needed and that IS your fault for not getting off your fat lazy **** and training your mind. With the internet there IS no excuse because for the first time in history you have the worlds knowledge literally at your fingertips.

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What job-fields are:

(a) in decline for the forseeable (coming 5 yrs)

and what are

(b ) increasing in employment for the forseeable?

my guesses immediately are (a) in decline - public sector, universities, etc (b ) increasing - banking (unfortunately) , ????

other peoples' views?

Why are you expecting a banking boom? Retail banking has been laying off staff since before the dawn of time as more and more of what they do gets automised. Casino banking will see it's profit margins squeezed by demands on banks to lend more through their retail arms, at the same time as they have to raise their capital ratios to restrict the risk from defaults. Increased regulation and/or taxation may also see some of them finally make good on their promise to bugger off elsewhere. :)

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Step daughter just graduated in June with a language degree. Started a linguist job start of this month. Ok starting pay, training her on something new & interesting, regular overseas travel

Niece 1 graduated recently with equine degree. Immediately got a job at a stables. Not the most glamourous job but she's really happy - wants to work with horses.

Niece 2 dropped out of Uni more than a year ago. Messed around for 18 months or so; just started a perm (but crappy hours) job in retail

Niece 3 dropped out of uni 9-10 months ago. Got more hours from the p/t job she had done whilst studying to keep her going until she started a perm job in a call centre about 2 months ago.

No surprises that the graduates got the jobs they wanted very quickly, the drop outs have taken longer to find work and couldnt pick and choose their role. All 4 found work within a few weeks of each other! The drop outs had bummed around for a while with a convenient excuse of no jobs. When cousins got jobs very quickly it took away their nice little excuse - they got their arses into gear and found regular work

Demonstrates to me that jobs are there, even for the young uns, its a matter of having skills, failing that......the right attitude!

Edit to add - one of nieces has a boyfriend who graduated this summer with architechture degree. Immediately started with with a small firm of architects.

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I agree with the last bit, but you are being hard on a lot of unskilled or semi skilled Brits there, let's hope you never lose your skill base or knowledge eh. <_<

Yes ok a tad hard. I will never lose my skill base because there is not anything I can't do :)

Been

A submariner

A chef

A salesman for various from windows to cars

A mechanic with my own garage

An IT contractor

A computer fixer

Etc etc

Jack of all trades me. This is my point though. All of us can be anything we want to be. I could be a Neurosurgeon. I might not the best at it but if I studied I could learn all about it. I could also become a tree surgeon if I wanted to, again get the books and learn then get some tools and just do it. What is stopping me here? What is stopping anyone apart from a lack of self belief and laziness?

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I've seen two clothing alterations/seamstress type small shops open near me in the past year. Outlay? A sewing machine or two + r/r on cheap retail premises. Both doing well. Both run by Far Eastern women. Jeans taken up £6 a pair - that type of work.

I also expect small independent garages with high standards/reasonable charges to prosper.

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Not banking.

It's seen a rise since the crash with the extra work created by mergers etc, but this is now reversing.

Some areas (risk and reg) will continue to expand, but banking generally should shrink as they move away from the casino stuff and more towards servicing retail banks and companies.

Indeed. Although for contract change related work I think there is a good bit more to come. So much mess to sort out after all the big mergers recently. And with new bods liking to always do their own thing - doesn't look like stopping soon.

As for heading up - I reckon engineering. Simply because everyone is saying there is no point - pay is pants etc..

This either means it is in the dup - or it is going to disappear completely. I cannot see how the latter could happen - so I reckon it must be at a low point and about to improve.

Then again - who ******ing knows.

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Yes ok a tad hard. I will never lose my skill base because there is not anything I can't do :)

Been

A submariner

A chef

A salesman for various from windows to cars

A mechanic with my own garage

An IT contractor

A computer fixer

Etc etc

Jack of all trades me. This is my point though. All of us can be anything we want to be. I could be a Neurosurgeon. I might not the best at it but if I studied I could learn all about it. I could also become a tree surgeon if I wanted to, again get the books and learn then get some tools and just do it. What is stopping me here? What is stopping anyone apart from a lack of self belief and laziness?

Kill 2 birds with one stone. You could practice nuerosurgery on the useless unskilled.......making them useful and furthering your already formidible talents.

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Kill 2 birds with one stone. You could practice nuerosurgery on the useless unskilled.......making them useful and furthering your already formidible talents.

True, i wonder if his shite smells.

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Yes ok a tad hard. I will never lose my skill base because there is not anything I can't do :)

Been

A submariner

A chef

A salesman for various from windows to cars

A mechanic with my own garage

An IT contractor

A computer fixer

Etc etc

Jack of all trades me. This is my point though. All of us can be anything we want to be. I could be a Neurosurgeon. I might not the best at it but if I studied I could learn all about it. I could also become a tree surgeon if I wanted to, again get the books and learn then get some tools and just do it. What is stopping me here? What is stopping anyone apart from a lack of self belief and laziness?

go for Leader of the Labour Party - see if you can get it in 3 years and be next PM, will buy you an ice cream if you succeed ;)

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If you're unskilled. What do you expect anyway if you're unskilled, anyone can do what you so you're not needed, are never needed and that IS your fault for not getting off your fat lazy **** and training your mind. With the internet there IS no excuse because for the first time in history you have the worlds knowledge literally at your fingertips.

Indeed, and if enough of them take your advice, they can then price your skills out of the market.

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Yes ok a tad hard. I will never lose my skill base because there is not anything I can't do :)

Been

A submariner

A chef

A salesman for various from windows to cars

A mechanic with my own garage

An IT contractor

A computer fixer

Etc etc

Jack of all trades me. This is my point though. All of us can be anything we want to be. I could be a Neurosurgeon. I might not the best at it but if I studied I could learn all about it........

Have you ever actually been a genuine success doing any of these?

Or are you just scared of commitment?!?

Yeah that's right, walk away......

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Yes ok a tad hard. I will never lose my skill base because there is not anything I can't do :)

Been

A submariner

A chef

A salesman for various from windows to cars

A mechanic with my own garage

An IT contractor

A computer fixer

Etc etc

Jack of all trades me. This is my point though. All of us can be anything we want to be. I could be a Neurosurgeon. I might not the best at it but if I studied I could learn all about it. I could also become a tree surgeon if I wanted to, again get the books and learn then get some tools and just do it. What is stopping me here? What is stopping anyone apart from a lack of self belief and laziness?

Bit of a cartel, neurosurgery.... they only want people who are part of their exclusive club and been trained at the right schools to practise it. Unfair on the self-taught, but there you go.... ;)

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This thread should come with a health warning - Bullsh1t artists and willy wavers on the loose.

Depends though. The context of each thing somebody says could make it very different.

For example I have done all manner of jobs when travelling. If I put a list here it would look mental. However some of them I only did for a matter of days or weeks.

I can quite rightfully say 'I was a beekeeper'. Because I was. Although it was for only 3 days. Still happened though.

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Fair enough, I hope our child grows up to be practical, he loves maths and building stuff so there is hope. :)

Your child will be practical if:

A: When you're painting and he comes over to see what you're doing and wants to get involved and help. You criticise and him and then shoo him away. He will associate all learning with pain and be crap at it and never offer to help daddy again :)

B: When you're painting and he comes over to see what you're doing and wants to get involved, let him make a right mess of it, show him how to do it correctly, praise him and love him. He will associate all learning with fun and reward and embrace it with gusto.

Your responsability as a parent is to create your child :)

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go for Leader of the Labour Party - see if you can get it in 3 years and be next PM, will buy you an ice cream if you succeed ;)

Missed my point by a country mile. I did'nt say you could do anything and everything. I said there is nothing stopping you trying different things until you find your place.

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Have you ever actually been a genuine success doing any of these?

Or are you just scared of commitment?!?

Yeah that's right, walk away......

How do you measure success? After leaving the Navy I did'nt know what i wanted to be or do so tried different things. When I saw my mates monthly contracting invoice I trained myself to do it and have been doing that now for 14 years :) Scared of commitment? Hardly.

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Yes ok a tad hard. I will never lose my skill base because there is not anything I can't do :)

Been

A submariner

A chef

A salesman for various from windows to cars

A mechanic with my own garage

An IT contractor

A computer fixer

Etc etc

Jack of all trades me. This is my point though. All of us can be anything we want to be. I could be a Neurosurgeon. I might not the best at it but if I studied I could learn all about it. I could also become a tree surgeon if I wanted to, again get the books and learn then get some tools and just do it. What is stopping me here? What is stopping anyone apart from a lack of self belief and laziness?

How does it go. 'Jack of all trades master of............. :lol:

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How does it go. 'Jack of all trades master of............. :lol:

I thnk it is quite a good position to aim for though. Being reasonable at lots of things is much more useful than being amazing at one thing at woeful at lots of others. IMO anyway.

To get a job/work in most areas you don't have to be amazing. Just decent.

I find I am like this with sports. Not amazing at any of them - but pretty decent at lots. It means I can enjoy loads of differnet things and be competent enough to enjoy them all. Would choose that over being amazing at one thing. To be that good at a single thing takes a lot of time and effort. Splitting that up between different things - be it work or pleasure - makes sense to me.

Then again we are all different and I am sure many others would prefer the opposite.

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I think a growth area for jobs is solar energy, my brother owns a company that creates and produces solar lights and the likes. He mainly sells it in developing countries (with unrealiable electricity and lots of sunshine) and is doing pretty well.

Another growth area I think is anything that can save money, like home-growing, bicycles (cars getting too expensive) and camping (cheaper than foreign holidays).

Areas in decline I think will be the ones that are already struggling, anything to do with property (estate agents, property developers), holiday operators and banking.

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