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On the same day there is a topic on the main board re asking American workers to worker for lower money this pops into our Contact us inbox, which all honesty should be named: trytoscamus@

"It’s a site that lets interns and work experience people find employers.

But unlike ordinary interns, ours pay you for their work experience.

To repeat: we’ll pay you money to have someone follow you around.

You set the fee yourself. And people apply to you directly.

You can reject any or all applicants. So if you’re busy, you just say no to an applicant.

The site is new, so you’ll be one of the first to be seen.

There are many benefits for you:

- You get added daily income

- You get an extra pair of hands

- You get rid of those jobs that you never get around to."

http://www.etsio.com

Seems to be run by an odious little creep called Kit Sadgrove. With one follower on twitter and 42 connections on linked in. Jobs include Nail Technician, Job Groomer, wedding planner but get this some want over £200 per day for the privilege.

We are truly going to hell in a handbasket

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We are truly going to hell in a handbasket

We've been doing that for well over a decade, except the only people who noticed (or cared) were the people directly afffected by oursourcing, globalisation, jobs displacement via migrant labour, offshoring, company shutdown and closure sponsored via brownfield development gains, etc, etc, etc.

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Wedding planner - 000023 Location [Town]: Totton Profession: Wedding planner No. of employees: 1-5 Description: Isabella Weddings is an established Wedding Planning company, we offer support to couples at all stages of their plans and attend on the day to ensure all their wishes are carried out and the day is perfect for them. Kind of person we're looking for: Someone who is able to think on their feet, be confident and able to approach guests and suppliers ask questions or to help.

Creative and thoughtful, happy and presentable.

Someone who has a genuine interest in making dreams come true! Fee to be paid by the intern: £200 a day Enquire about work experience with this business

http://www.isabellaweddings.co.uk/

If anyone on here want to polish my shoes all day I'll let them do it for as little as £100 a day. This is a time limited offer.

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Hi Greg

I admit it, I put the site up.

And I know it sounds bad. But there's a reason for it.

Basically, small vibrant companies don't take on interns because it's just too much bother.

So this is my way of giving people access for a few days to these amazing businesses.

Students are now spending £40,000 on a university education. And what do they get for it? A nice roll of paper and some mates.

But I don't see why they wouldn't spend a few hundred quid more getting experience alongside a small business owner.

Especially when the intern has no skills to offer the business.

I'm totally against companies who take on 'interns' for six months at a time, making them do the job of proper workers. That's real exploitation.

Whereas a few days sitting with the small firm CEO could change your life.

What do you think?

Kit

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Hi Greg

I admit it, I put the site up.

And I know it sounds bad. But there's a reason for it.

Basically, small vibrant companies don't take on interns because it's just too much bother.

So this is my way of giving people access for a few days to these amazing businesses.

Students are now spending £40,000 on a university education. And what do they get for it? A nice roll of paper and some mates.

But I don't see why they wouldn't spend a few hundred quid more getting experience alongside a small business owner.

Especially when the intern has no skills to offer the business.

I'm totally against companies who take on 'interns' for six months at a time, making them do the job of proper workers. That's real exploitation.

Whereas a few days sitting with the small firm CEO could change your life.

What do you think?

Kit

Kit I think that you're a sad money grabbing toser

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My personal favourite. Pay £100 a day to do 'learn' telesales. :lol:

Health, medical - 000027

Location [Town]: Harrow

Profession: Health, medical

No. of employees: 1-5

Description: We sell health, beauty, fitness products online. Www.vitaminsuk.com. We also sell to trade customers. Have 42000 items, own brand, and distributorships.

Kind of person we're looking for: Seeking somebody good with figures, telephone, can think on their feet, smart. Good with spreadsheets, and positive thinking. Willing to learn.

Fee to be paid by the intern: &pound100 a day

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Hi Greg

I admit it, I put the site up.

And I know it sounds bad. But there's a reason for it.

Basically, small vibrant companies don't take on interns because it's just too much bother.

So this is my way of giving people access for a few days to these amazing businesses.

Students are now spending £40,000 on a university education. And what do they get for it? A nice roll of paper and some mates.

But I don't see why they wouldn't spend a few hundred quid more getting experience alongside a small business owner.

Especially when the intern has no skills to offer the business.

I'm totally against companies who take on 'interns' for six months at a time, making them do the job of proper workers. That's real exploitation.

Whereas a few days sitting with the small firm CEO could change your life.

What do you think?

Kit

If these 'vibrant' companies are so desperate that they need to squeeze a few hundred quid out of desperate kids then I doubt they have much of value to teach them- except how to exploit and abuse people.

I wonder how many of the participating companies would like to publicly own up to using (that being the right word) these interns?

I suspect that very few would like to admit it- which tells you all you need to know about this scheme.

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We've been doing that for well over a decade, except the only people who noticed (or cared) were the people directly afffected by oursourcing, globalisation, jobs displacement via migrant labour, offshoring, company shutdown and closure sponsored via brownfield development gains, etc, etc, etc.

Nothing beats being at the coalface to concentrate the mind.

While the rest of the country sleepwalks to apathy, oblivious to the catastrophe unfolding around them, just up the road thousands of onshored Indians and immigrant Slovaks & Lithuanians are hitting The Mother Lode.

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Whereas a few days sitting with the small firm CEO could change your life.

What do you think?

Kit

Who vets the small firm CEO? Or the quality of learning? I'd guess the best a young person with no real experience might get is an attitude adjustment or confirmation that it is the business for them (or the reverse). You are going to learn little which is practically useful. I'd suggest that a youngster might better spend their few hundred quid elsewhere.

In my experience, people who have truly made it are often willing to offer advice or work experience to a young 'un who is genuinely keen for free. Once you get to a certain age, passing on your knowledge and expertise to someone who is receptive is reward itself.

All this said - perhaps it is poor man's equivalent of ponying up $10K to have lunch with Warren Buffet. At least the person with a spare $10K to spend on lunch is likely to have sufficient life experience to be able to judge for themselves if it is a good buy. Charging a possible naive youngster for work experience leans more towards exploitation I feel. Is it refundable if they don't feel they have got their money's worth?

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Hi Greg

I admit it, I put the site up.

And I know it sounds bad. But there's a reason for it.

Basically, small vibrant companies don't take on interns because it's just too much bother.

So this is my way of giving people access for a few days to these amazing businesses.

Students are now spending £40,000 on a university education. And what do they get for it? A nice roll of paper and some mates.

But I don't see why they wouldn't spend a few hundred quid more getting experience alongside a small business owner.

Especially when the intern has no skills to offer the business.

I'm totally against companies who take on 'interns' for six months at a time, making them do the job of proper workers. That's real exploitation.

Whereas a few days sitting with the small firm CEO could change your life.

What do you think?

Kit

you and your website are both pathetic.

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Hi Greg

I admit it, I put the site up.

And I know it sounds bad. But there's a reason for it.

Basically, small vibrant companies don't take on interns because it's just too much bother.

So this is my way of giving people access for a few days to these amazing businesses.

Students are now spending £40,000 on a university education. And what do they get for it? A nice roll of paper and some mates.

But I don't see why they wouldn't spend a few hundred quid more getting experience alongside a small business owner.

Especially when the intern has no skills to offer the business.

I'm totally against companies who take on 'interns' for six months at a time, making them do the job of proper workers. That's real exploitation.

Whereas a few days sitting with the small firm CEO could change your life.

What do you think?

Kit

I'm thinking we need a revolution. . . . .

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I'm going to take the contrarian opinion. I don't like the idea of the website, but the guy is making a valid point.

At the moment, students are paying £40K for a degree course that in many cases does not equip them with the tools to get a job.

Put the same student in an intern position in a decent company for a year, and they'd come out with some serious life skills, a contact network and a decent looking CV. I'm not talking about some crap intern job making coffee, but a proper role. The company gets a free pair of hands (pretty useless and hazardous hands for the first three months), the intern gets huge experience.

Moral queasiness aside (I don't like the idea of people working for nothing or paying to work), the internship is probably worth more than the pointless degree from some second rate institution.

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Is it refundable if they don't feel they have got their money's worth?

I guarantee the intern will:

- Spend most of their time with the business owner or senior managers (unless agreed otherwise in advance)

- Have all their reasonable questions answered

- Get to see all aspects of the business operations.

If that doesn't happen, I'll refund them, and throw the offending business off the site.

Kit

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I'm going to take the contrarian opinion. I don't like the idea of the website, but the guy is making a valid point.

At the moment, students are paying £40K for a degree course that in many cases does not equip them with the tools to get a job.

Put the same student in an intern position in a decent company for a year, and they'd come out with some serious life skills, a contact network and a decent looking CV. I'm not talking about some crap intern job making coffee, but a proper role. The company gets a free pair of hands (pretty useless and hazardous hands for the first three months), the intern gets huge experience.

Moral queasiness aside (I don't like the idea of people working for nothing or paying to work), the internship is probably worth more than the pointless degree from some second rate institution.

you make some valid points. However, this shouldn't become the norm for young people looking to get into a particular career. imo, ideas like this just give more and more fuel to those who just say sod it, i'm going on the dole. why bother to work?

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I'm going to take the contrarian opinion. I don't like the idea of the website, but the guy is making a valid point.

At the moment, students are paying £40K for a degree course that in many cases does not equip them with the tools to get a job.

Put the same student in an intern position in a decent company for a year, and they'd come out with some serious life skills, a contact network and a decent looking CV. I'm not talking about some crap intern job making coffee, but a proper role. The company gets a free pair of hands (pretty useless and hazardous hands for the first three months), the intern gets huge experience.

Moral queasiness aside (I don't like the idea of people working for nothing or paying to work), the internship is probably worth more than the pointless degree from some second rate institution.

I vaguely appreciate what you are saying. I think part of the problem is the way it's couched for employers ie as a chance to get rid of the work you don't want to do. Doesn't exactly sell it to me.

If I was paying for training or a university education - I'd want to be sure of a minimum level of training/attention for my money as well developing skills/knowledge which was highly portable and ideally had some currency with future employers. Somehow I doubt most of these small businesses are geared up to provide that kind of value. That said - I looked at the opportunities on offer and in amongst the dog grooming and telesales was a chance of working with a photographer. If I was an amateur looking to go pro - a few hundred quid for a few days of their time could be good value. Or I could end up just making tea. And that's the problem - it's hard to tell what you'd end up with.

Edit: Thanks for your response, Kit.

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I'm going to take the contrarian opinion. I don't like the idea of the website, but the guy is making a valid point.

I can't get that worked up about it. If parents want to send their kids to spend a day in a company learning how it works I don't really object. If it's a waste of time the kid will have learned a different life lesson.. possibly equally valuable.

I guarantee the intern will:

- Spend most of their time with the business owner or senior managers (unless agreed otherwise in advance)

- Have all their reasonable questions answered

- Get to see all aspects of the business operations.

If that doesn't happen, I'll refund them, and throw the offending business off the site.

Kit

I understand you are trying to market it to both sides.. but the line: "You get rid of those jobs that you never get around to." isn't going to gain you a huge amount of credibility with prospective interns if they spot your advert. Makes it sound like they're there to make the tea and clean the muck out from behind the baling machine..

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young person at 18, having finished A-levels. 3 options:-

a) go to university and the possibility of paying £9k per year, ending up in over £30k debt (if you include student loans for living expenses)

b.) go try and find a job. but have to pay the employer ~£50 - £100 per day to get some experience. with no guarantee of a job

c) go on the dole. get £50 per week to fill in a few forms, the rest of the time you can play xbox/ps3 or watch tv.

even if you go the university route, theres still no guarantee of a decent paying job at the end of it all

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I guarantee the intern will:

- Spend most of their time with the business owner or senior managers (unless agreed otherwise in advance)

- Have all their reasonable questions answered

- Get to see all aspects of the business operations.

If that doesn't happen, I'll refund them, and throw the offending business off the site.

Kit

My my, you are one busy bee. I see you specialise in various screwing schemes targeting the vulnerable... Nice.

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