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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2047593/Ello-John-got-new-Motability-motor.html

No, this time it’s really serious, he said, what with the astronomical cost of petrol and insurance, sky-high company car taxes and punitive ‘green’ duties on so-called ‘gas guzzlers’ higher up the range. I’ve even had to give the sales director the old heave-ho. To be honest, it’s only the Government keeping us going.

The Government? Surely they haven’t nationalised the BMW network while I wasn’t looking?

No, I’m talking about the Motability scheme. Real life-saver that’s been.

Motability? I thought that was something to do with invalid carriages, cheap cars for the disabled, that sort of thing. Those little blue three-wheelers, like Del Boy’s van. Gearsticks on the steering column, hand-operated accelerators, ramps for wheelchairs. Where does BMW come into it? They haven’t made bubble cars since the Sixties.

Keep up, Rich. This is the 21st century. Motability runs to proper cars these days.

What, even BMWs?

Especially BMWs, he said. Most of the 1 Series we knock out these days go to a Motability customer. It’s all that’s keeping us solvent right now.

This conversation came back to haunt me when I read in the Mail on Sunday that the Motability scheme now costs British taxpayers a staggering £1.5 billion a year.

Parent of a child with ADHD? Have a free car under £1.5bn taxpayer-funded scheme

Not 100% sure how this works are most BMW network dealers on the motobility scheme?

Interesting that it would appear the UK govt is not only propping up the dealers but also helping to subsidise BMW itself. Surely the govt could get more for it's money by buying direct and getting a bulk discount. Sorry can't have that because motobility users deserve choice.

Just think for what this costs Labour could have just bought Rover and told everyone to use Rover cars in this scheme.... No doubt that would have broke many EU rules but it would at least have provided manufacturing jobs in the UK and compared to the money wasted on the bankers it would at least have been productive.

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The way it works is, most registered disabled people are entitled to a couple of hundred pounds a month for them or their primary carer to run a car. They also get free road tax. They can chose to exchange this for a new car from motorbility. Now I think Motorbility are not actually government owned so they are basically just like any other company car operation but are geared towards serving this particular market. If the value of the car exceeds the allowance, the customer has to top it up. My parents used this about 10 years ago, but have since decided they could run an old car cheaper than the allowance and keep the difference. Either way, I think the cost to the government for this benefit is the same regardless of motorbility.

For carers, the rules are that the car or allowance must be used to transport the disabled person or for erands on their behalf. There was a bit of a story recently when the governent got upset that people might be getting free cars for some granny they keep locked up in a home somewhere.

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The way it works is, most registered disabled people are entitled to a couple of hundred pounds a month for them or their primary carer to run a car. They also get free road tax. They can chose to exchange this for a new car from motorbility. Now I think Motorbility are not actually government owned so they are basically just like any other company car operation but are geared towards serving this particular market. If the value of the car exceeds the allowance, the customer has to top it up. My parents used this about 10 years ago, but have since decided they could run an old car cheaper than the allowance and keep the difference. Either way, I think the cost to the government for this benefit is the same regardless of motorbility.

For carers, the rules are that the car or allowance must be used to transport the disabled person or for erands on their behalf. There was a bit of a story recently when the governent got upset that people might be getting free cars for some granny they keep locked up in a home somewhere.

A scheme hideously open to all sorts of fraud.

I remember being at the seaside, double yellow lines on the seafront. Big new 4x4 pulls up, four strapping lads get out, put the disabled badge in the window and off they go to the beach. Not motability I know, but indicative of just how many break the rules and how few are punished, and those that get punished do so lightly so that no one is deterred from doing the same again.

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A scheme hideously open to all sorts of fraud.

I remember being at the seaside, double yellow lines on the seafront. Big new 4x4 pulls up, four strapping lads get out, put the disabled badge in the window and off they go to the beach. Not motability I know, but indicative of just how many break the rules and how few are punished, and those that get punished do so lightly so that no one is deterred from doing the same again.

So what are you insinuating? That a disabled person can't drive a new 4x4, can't be a strapping lad and can't go off to the beach to enjoy a day out? :lol:

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Interesting. I know someone who has never worked, who's husband works sporadically, and who is currently driving a rather nice 2010 plate BMW, via this scheme. She got it because she is her mother's "carer" (despite outsourcing the caring for her mother part to other family members).

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A scheme hideously open to all sorts of fraud.

I remember being at the seaside, double yellow lines on the seafront. Big new 4x4 pulls up, four strapping lads get out, put the disabled badge in the window and off they go to the beach. Not motability I know, but indicative of just how many break the rules and how few are punished, and those that get punished do so lightly so that no one is deterred from doing the same again.

95% of registered disabled people do not use wheelchairs ( http://www.workingwithdiversity.org/div/disability/introduction/ ) so it's not always obvious but I realise there are clearly many people who cheat the system.

My dad is registered disabled and is able to walk and sometimes I think this must look odd when we park up in a disabled space, particularly if I'm driving, but I know he can't walk far and he'll be in pain later in the day if he does.

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At my local Ford dealer, there is a large, expensive desk in the center of the showroom with Motability written above it.

The regular sales peoples standard looking office desks are back in one corner.

It is not only BMW being propped up by motability.

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As someone said above it sounds more like a government-sponsored car leasing scheme. I imagine the dealers, or more probably the manufacturers themselves, have specialist sales people for dealing with the business leasing companies so why not motability?

At the very least it gives a good supply of nearly-new cars to the second hand market.

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The real problem here is the ability to "top up". Superficially it appears reasonable, but in fact it drives behaviour.

The scheme is effectively dangling a prestige car in front of someone for the price of an entry level Micra. If you had half a chance of claiming, you'd do so. You'd be an idiot not to. If the scheme said "yes, will sub you a car, but it will be a 1.0 Micra", then I would wager that nearly all of the false claimants would go away.

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I can't think of many worse cars for people with restricted mobility than an Einer. They're really cramped inside especially the back seat.

hmmm.... people with restricted mobility aren't likely to be using the back seat though.

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hmmm.... people with restricted mobility aren't likely to be using the back seat though.

They have very low suspension though. I can't think why anyone with a disability would choose a BMW 1 series hatchback. And they're crap.

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Dont disabled people get to buy cars VAT free? i was once talking to a mechanic who worked for a garage that did conversions. Most of their work was downright fraud, buy a top of the range BMW VAT free, do the minimum conversion (hoist for wheel chair in the boot), put car in garage for one year then sell for 10-15% more than you paid for it. Repeat every year for £5-10k p.a. Tax free....

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Dont disabled people get to buy cars VAT free? i was once talking to a mechanic who worked for a garage that did conversions. Most of their work was downright fraud, buy a top of the range BMW VAT free, do the minimum conversion (hoist for wheel chair in the boot), put car in garage for one year then sell for 10-15% more than you paid for it. Repeat every year for £5-10k p.a. Tax free....

There have been groups who did this, they chose the top spec models of Range Rovers with a long waiting list , making the most fo the VAT saving which was their profit. Then they sold the pre registered through a garage. Anything under 80K wouldn't be worth it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6916333.stm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2141854.ece

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Love it read it in the Daily Fail so it must be true . Simple fact according to DWP 2010 figures only 100 people in the UK with ADHD get high rate mobility thus making them eligible for the scheme. The DWP also states the figure is lower and for simplicity has been rounded up to 100.

What the Fail has done is taken everyone with behaviour disorders of which over 20 types are recognised numbering 3,100 who receive higher rate benefit added the previous 100 and got their headline figure.

If those on the scheme wanted a BMW 320d they would have to stump up around six grand up front along with the £51.40 weekly benefit, but the kicker is when the lease is up after three years or the benefit is stopped and the car returned you say bye bye to the six grand, or stump up another six grand for the next one.

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Forgot to add that according to the DWP only 30% of those eligible for the scheme use their benefits to get a car.

This story is a rehash of a press release by the TaxPayers Alliance the group that represents no one but their secretive paymasters.

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Mercedes at the moment want a top up for all their cars if you only get DLA they do have one model that needs no top up if you get WPMS. Fancy that disabled service people getting help no wonder the country is going to the dogs.

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Love it read it in the Daily Fail so it must be true . Simple fact according to DWP 2010 figures only 100 people in the UK with ADHD get high rate mobility thus making them eligible for the scheme. The DWP also states the figure is lower and for simplicity has been rounded up to 100.

What the Fail has done is taken everyone with behaviour disorders of which over 20 types are recognised numbering 3,100 who receive higher rate benefit added the previous 100 and got their headline figure.

If those on the scheme wanted a BMW 320d they would have to stump up around six grand up front along with the £51.40 weekly benefit, but the kicker is when the lease is up after three years or the benefit is stopped and the car returned you say bye bye to the six grand, or stump up another six grand for the next one.

Not quite

The amount of money that has to be stumped up varies from manufacture to manufacture and varies from time to time . If BMW have a large stock of cars they want to get rid of they will drop the top up payment.

I know someone who got a BMW sport a few years back and paid £3000 top up . He was able to come up with this money using a high rate CC and when he went bankrupt a while later the debt like all his others was written off. Unlike working bankrupts who have to sell expensive cars and can only keep a car if they can prove they need it for work and it has a value under £2k he was able to keep his car . Also unlike working Bankrupts whos ongoing salary is taken into account when assessing what they have to pay back after bankruptcy he did not have to pay back anything.

Why do you KNOCK the artical because it was in the Daily Mail , funny thing is it was in the Sunday times a few months ago. The day after it appeared a friend I had told about the person getting the BMW phoned and addmited that when I had told him he thought I was telling pokeys until he had read it in the Sunday Times.

Why is it a kicker at the end of the lease . They take the car back just before it needs an MOT and if you have not got the lump sum for a new BMW , you can still walk away with a brand new more basic car like a Focus ( how bad is that ? ) without having to put your hand in your pocket. If the benefit is stopped , then it proves you did not need it or do not need it anymore .

Might sound Im having a dig at the dissabled im not ,but when the average and below average working person is being squeezed untill the pips squeak and the only GRAIN of hope we have to look forward to is IT IS GOING TO GET WORSE seeing people who are looked after enough driving around in luxury cars is taking the pi-s.

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Not quite

The amount of money that has to be stumped up varies from manufacture to manufacture and varies from time to time . If BMW have a large stock of cars they want to get rid of they will drop the top up payment.

I know someone who got a BMW sport a few years back and paid £3000 top up . He was able to come up with this money using a high rate CC and when he went bankrupt a while later the debt like all his others was written off. Unlike working bankrupts who have to sell expensive cars and can only keep a car if they can prove they need it for work and it has a value under £2k he was able to keep his car . Also unlike working Bankrupts whos ongoing salary is taken into account when assessing what they have to pay back after bankruptcy he did not have to pay back anything.

Why do you KNOCK the artical because it was in the Daily Mail , funny thing is it was in the Sunday times a few months ago. The day after it appeared a friend I had told about the person getting the BMW phoned and addmited that when I had told him he thought I was telling pokeys until he had read it in the Sunday Times.

Why is it a kicker at the end of the lease . They take the car back just before it needs an MOT and if you have not got the lump sum for a new BMW , you can still walk away with a brand new more basic car like a Focus ( how bad is that ? ) without having to put your hand in your pocket. If the benefit is stopped , then it proves you did not need it or do not need it anymore .

Might sound Im having a dig at the dissabled im not ,but when the average and below average working person is being squeezed untill the pips squeak and the only GRAIN of hope we have to look forward to is IT IS GOING TO GET WORSE seeing people who are looked after enough driving around in luxury cars is taking the pi-s.

Ihad a go at the fail because their headline was a distortion of the truth, as for the level of top up paid that is set between the car companies and mobility each year so even if sales slump halfway through the year and dealers have a surplus of cars it remains the same. The Sunday Times article was also a distortion of the facts but the papers never lie.

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I had a blind friend several years back.

I'm pretty sure his mums car was bought through motability or a similar scheme. They lived in separate towns, I don't remember her ever driving him anywhere.. he usually took the train if he needed to or if I wasn't driving him around.

It would be pretty tough on her if they pulled it and she had to buy her own Alfa Romeo..

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Ihad a go at the fail because their headline was a distortion of the truth, as for the level of top up paid that is set between the car companies and mobility each year so even if sales slump halfway through the year and dealers have a surplus of cars it remains the same. The Sunday Times article was also a distortion of the facts but the papers never lie.

Well if the top up payments remain the same the top up for a sport BMW in 2008 was £3k not £6k . So like the papers your post was a distortion of the facts.

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I had a blind friend several years back.

I'm pretty sure his mums car was bought through motability or a similar scheme. They lived in separate towns, I don't remember her ever driving him anywhere.. he usually took the train if he needed to or if I wasn't driving him around.

It would be pretty tough on her if they pulled it and she had to buy her own Alfa Romeo..

In London they are also exempt from the conjestion charge. Not just that but they can also nominate another car belonging to family or friend who might need to drive them at some point to also get the exemption.

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