CokeSnortingTory Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Would that help? Why else would you do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Spending on health and education increased under the Conservatives they also built far more houses than Labour ever did. And the NHS is a complete disaster which no one in the World wants to emulate. That's right! The state grows under the conservatives in exactly the same way that it grows under labour! Theres a clue right there that the problem might not be "socialism" and might actually be something else....not that you'll take the hint, i've been beating you over the head with the right answer all morning in between bouts of laughter (at you, not with you) and you still won't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleverBear Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 If it came to choosing between my kids starving or killing you and stealing your food trust me Injin - I would kill you. In extremis 99% of humans are capable of killing and the 1% who aren't are killed themselves Famous and remarkable quote from a german world war 1 solider. He was experienced and had been in the trenchs for a while, and was leading about 10 very young (18ish) new recruits over the top in one of the large offensives. A shell went off behind him and one of the younsters, wounding the youngsters arm. He helped him bandage this is a shell hole. Then a gas shell went off near by and they put their gas masks on. The experienced german solider then realised that the blast had made a hole in his gas mark - making it unusable. He then said "I immiedietly reverted to the primative", and with 1 gas mark between him and the wounded youngsters he overpowered the wounded youngster and took the mask for himself and watched the youngster die in front of him as he had no mask. Moral of the stroy: In truth all humans are programmed for self survival. Just like all animals, plants and bacteria the world over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) I think the tories are uncaring b***tards because they are expecting me to pay for all those generous welfare benefits I will receive instead of passing the bill onto the grandchildren, which makes far more sense to me. Edited October 11, 2011 by crashmonitor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game_Over Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Heard it all before. Just another clueless dipshit who can't make the distinction between attack and defense. The irony is that the closest philosophy to what you propose is Christianity I honestly believe you ought to think about this you don't even need to believe that God actually exists - just that humans need God I think this is the position the Arch Bishop of Canterbury takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CokeSnortingTory Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Famous and remarkable quote from a german world war 1 solider. He was experienced and had been in the trenchs for a while, and was leading about 10 very young (18ish) new recruits over the top in one of the large offensives. A shell went off behind him and one of the younsters, wounding the youngsters arm. He helped him bandage this is a shell hole. Then a gas shell went off near by and they put their gas masks on. The experienced german solider then realised that the blast had made a hole in his gas mark - making it unusable. He then said "I immiedietly reverted to the primative", and with 1 gas mark between him and the wounded youngsters he overpowered the wounded youngster and took the mask for himself and watched the youngster die in front of him as he had no mask. Moral of the stroy: In truth all humans are programmed for self survival. Just like all animals, plants and bacteria the world over. I don't think you can extrapolate the behaviour of the whole of humanity from a sample size of one, tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Famous and remarkable quote from a german world war 1 solider. He was experienced and had been in the trenchs for a while, and was leading about 10 very young (18ish) new recruits over the top in one of the large offensives. A shell went off behind him and one of the younsters, wounding the youngsters arm. He helped him bandage this is a shell hole. Then a gas shell went off near by and they put their gas masks on. The experienced german solider then realised that the blast had made a hole in his gas mark - making it unusable. He then said "I immiedietly reverted to the primative", and with 1 gas mark between him and the wounded youngsters he overpowered the wounded youngster and took the mask for himself and watched the youngster die in front of him as he had no mask. Moral of the stroy: In truth all humans are programmed for self survival. Just like all animals, plants and bacteria the world over. If they were then they'd never have been in the field in the first place, having shot the guy for suggesting they go. 3% of humanity is psychopathic, and they wish to ****** we were the same. We ain't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 The irony is that the closest philosophy to what you propose is Christianity I honestly believe you ought to think about this you don't even need to believe that God actually exists - just that humans need God I think this is the position the Arch Bishop of Canterbury takes. Yes, a complete rejection of all religion as a form of insanity is very closely aligned with christianity. Jesus mate, stop or i'll die laughing at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Heard it all before. Just another clueless dipshit who can't make the distinction between attack and defense. The world is full of clueless dipshits. Which is kinda the problem with your argument... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo1968 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) If they were then they'd never have been in the field in the first place, having shot the guy for suggesting they go. 3% of humanity is psychopathic, and they wish to ****** we were the same. We ain't. You missed the point, he only went out of self preservation because he would have been shot for disobeying orders Edited October 11, 2011 by robo1968 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CokeSnortingTory Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 You missed the point, out of self preservation he only went because he would have been shot for disobeying orders As far as I'm aware, the German army didn't use capital punishment in WWI, although they did in WW2, funnily enough. Unless they would have just shot him in the ankle, or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steagle Colbeagle Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I used hyperbole against hyperbole. Labour didn't destroy the country socially and educationally, and the NHS had to be saved in 1997 in terms of correcting years of chronic underinvestment in infrastructure. The tories allow services like education and health to slide when in office because they don't really believe in public provision, they just tolerate it. Their tendency is to believe dogmatically in the private market to deliver services. Of course I don't support labours overspending or lax regulation of the banks (Brown was ridiculously imprudent from around 2004), but we can't completely disregard the global element of the meltdown, esp the role of US bad mortgage lending. Fundamentally I don't believe the tories would have done anything different and certainly their rhetoric during that period in opposition did not suggest they wanted to increase regulation or restrict lending. Sorry you've just backed up one hyperbole with another. Your posts seem to come straight out of the New Labour press office - "chronic underinvestment in infastructure" is a dead giveaway. Most on here realise the nirvana you talk about was built on foundations of sand and the current lot are carrying on the facade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game_Over Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 If they were then they'd never have been in the field in the first place, having shot the guy for suggesting they go. 3% of humanity is psychopathic, and they wish to ****** we were the same. We ain't. By your definition 90%+ of humanity are psychopaths. I suggest you read what happened in all of the famines that ever occurred in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHERWICK Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Yes, a complete rejection of all religion as a form of insanity is very closely aligned with christianity. I was wondering yesterday afternoon, in between taking sips of tea and eating a McVities Milk Chocolate Digestive, just how long it would be before the human race completely rejected all religion. Next year perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo1968 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 As far as I'm aware, the German army didn't use capital punishment in WWI, although they did in WW2, funnily enough. Unless they would have just shot him in the ankle, or something. I'll happily stand corrected although you see my point no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 You missed the point, he only went out of self preservation because he would have been shot for disobeying orders If what you were saying is true, the second someone suggested a rule for shooting for disobedience, everyone else would immediately kill them out of self preservation! If you offer a universal it applies to everyone. One exception disproves it. ONE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CokeSnortingTory Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 By your definition 90%+ of humanity are psychopaths. I suggest you read what happened in all of the famines that ever occurred in history. Nice use of the smiley there. Famines tend to be the result of destabilising violence, and not vice-versa. Also, I know of no well known serial-killing famine victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 The world is full of clueless dipshits. Which is kinda the problem with your argument... See sig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 By your definition 90%+ of humanity are psychopaths. I suggest you read what happened in all of the famines that ever occurred in history. And I suggest you go and read how all famines have ever been avoided in history. Also, please stop trying to argue with me. Please. I'll die laughing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game_Over Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Yes, a complete rejection of all religion as a form of insanity is very closely aligned with christianity. Jesus mate, stop or i'll die laughing at you. As I said - by your definition 90%+ of humanity are insane Which is why your suggested solutions would never work. It also occurs to me that people are generally considered insane when their behavior breaches social norms This means that anyone who considers 90% of other people to be insane, is by definition insane themselves. You are like a modern day Diogenes Which is pretty generous of me I think given that you constantly try and undermine my own position by taking the p*ss. Anyway - I am going to do some painting now Have fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I've been wondering what this actually means recently. How did you generate wealth? What were the wider implications of you generating that wealth for yourself? Did someone get poorer or did the money ultimately come from those with money & power (i.e. land owners) through a chain of many many transactions? I'm not having a go, you may well have worked your b**locks off for years but looking at the bigger picture, is there actually any such thing as 'generating wealth'? *I think I've been spending too much time on here. I think you are confusing wealth and money. Money is not wealth, money is a means to buy wealth. Things that make you wealthy are material things like cars, houses, countryside.. or services such as restaurants, shoe repairs, education or healthcare. Anything that enhances your life is wealth.. and money, if it has value, can buy it. Some wealth is difficult to produce here, such as bananas, fuel, tea, coffee, diamonds etc.. if we want these things we need our money to have value, which means we need to be able to offer our own wealth in return. If we produce a lot of wealth, then things we want from abroad become cheaper.. which by return makes us feel more wealthy. It is not always easy to tell whether wealth is being created. For example, If the council introduce a parking charge, and then pay a warden all the money to police it.. has quality of life over all improved, or has wealth actually been destroyed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game_Over Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I was wondering yesterday afternoon, in between taking sips of tea and eating a McVities Milk Chocolate Digestive, just how long it would be before the human race completely rejected all religion. Next year perhaps? The answer to that question is never because a belief in SOMETHING is intrinsic to human nature If some future Socialist government lobotomises the entire population then possibly yes but otherwise No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo1968 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 If what you were saying is true, the second someone suggested a rule for shooting for disobedience, everyone else would immediately kill them out of self preservation! If you offer a universal it applies to everyone. One exception disproves it. ONE! No because we see authority as a whole rather than one person. A mutiny would only arise if we can rely on others to join us to form a larger stronger force, because of self preservation people tend to avoid making these decisions and prefer what they know... hence they would go over the top.... this was in a different part of history too, things were different then, people were easier to herd but the resultant action of killing someone else to survive remains to this day, it is just dressed up in smart clothes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 As I said - by your definition 90%+ of humanity are insane Well yes, obviously so. Which is why your suggested solutions would never work. It also occurs to me that people are generally considered insane when their behavior breaches social norms This means that anyone who considers 90% of other people to be insane, is by definition insane themselves. You are like a modern day Diogenes Which is pretty generous of me I think given that you constantly try and undermine my own position by taking the p*ss. Anyway - I am going to do some painting now Have fun Does your secure unit supply the materials, or do relatives stump up out of pity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CokeSnortingTory Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 The answer to that question is never because a belief in SOMETHING is intrinsic to human nature If some future Socialist government lobotomises the entire population then possibly yes but otherwise No. You're right that religion will never disappear, but it has nothing to with belief. Religion is how human society creates ideal abstract models of itself, in order to model behaviour in respect to that ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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