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I've never voted New Labour, and I doubt I ever will, but have been thinking about joining up to see if unaffordable housing can be developed into a serious issue within the party. Anyone else think this would be a good idea? HPC 'fifth columnists' infiltrating New Labour :lol::lol:

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I've never voted New Labour, and I doubt I ever will, but have been thinking about joining up to see if unaffordable housing can be developed into a serious issue within the party. Anyone else think this would be a good idea? HPC 'fifth columnists' infiltrating New Labour :lol::lol:

Well, I've seen what they do to 82 year old trouble makers.

I'd hate to see that they do to young able-bodied gruffies! :blink:

NDL

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I've never voted New Labour, and I doubt I ever will, but have been thinking about joining up to see if unaffordable housing can be developed into a serious issue within the party. Anyone else think this would be a good idea? HPC 'fifth columnists' infiltrating New Labour :lol::lol:

did u c what happened to life long Lab Supporter at the Conference?. u do not have a chance.

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You become a member of your local constituency party and attend your ward meetings. You may get elected by the ward to be their representative at the contituency party general committee, and from there a seat on the executive committee by election. Like all political parties the right faces make it to the top in their local parties. Very boring really debating why bulbs in street lights are not replaced quickly. :)

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Well Gruff,

Well, they did have once, but they had this council property mindset, that was beaten out of them by Thatcher and thrown on the bonfire with Michael Foot’s donkey jacket and they were left with nothing.

Now they seem to court investment in property as it is perceived today, or hopefully soon `yesterday.’

Unfortunately, they look no further than where the votes are. Shame really, a good chance missed for at least another thousand years

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did u c what happened to life long Lab Supporter at the Conference?. u do not have a chance.

Left the Labour Party (not in this country) 15 years ago. Not sure I could go back. I used to think they stood for something! Although if you want some hints:

Rules for stacking a political party:

1. Localise your focus - choose 1 branch or 1 area (is there a predominant area amongst HPC subscribers)

2. It is best to make contact through a friendly meeting about something entirely other through someone who is already in there. There is a deep suspicion of stranger in Labour Party branches.

3. Make sure you know the rules and chase people up to attend the requisite numbers of meetings so that they can vote in the election for whatever the important positions are.

4. Make sure at least 1 of you is committed enough to attend enough meetings to get elected to these postions. (aahh... discussion around dog-sh*t and traffic lights - it makes me sentimental)

5. Have at least one person who can reliably count heads and predict voting behaviour and one person who likes people, seems warm and has good social skills. This is key.

5. If all else fails choose a branch with a large cemetary in the area. It will prove an invaluable source of recruits!!! :ph34r:

EDIT: point 5.

This is why I really left. Can't reliably predict voting behaviours and don't like people, they totally f*ck me off... and I can't seem to hide it. :rolleyes:

Edited by Elizabeth

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You become a member of your local constituency party and attend your ward meetings. You may get elected by the ward to be their representative at the contituency party general committee, and from there a seat on the executive committee by election. Like all political parties the right faces make it to the top in their local parties. Very boring really debating why bulbs in street lights are not replaced quickly.

the subject of adequate light provision within the borough boundary is not an issue for ridicule.

all in favour of switching them off say aye. "AYE !!".

all those against ?...........................me.

click.

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I've never voted New Labour, and I doubt I ever will, but have been thinking about joining up to see if unaffordable housing can be developed into a serious issue within the party. Anyone else think this would be a good idea? HPC 'fifth columnists' infiltrating New Labour :lol::lol:

There's this folk tale from the 60s, I've seen it mentioned more than once but never with a source.

It tells of an American professor who says to his students, "If Communism ever comes to the USA, just make sure you're in the Party".

Have we reached that stage here yet?

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Let's just say some HPC bears joined up, formed a housing group for FTBs, and a few months down the line collectively approached the media as members of this cross-UK FTB housing group, to complain about government policy - complaining just enough to get expelled........

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Well, I've seen what they do to 82 year old trouble makers.

I'd hate to see that they do to young able-bodied gruffies! :blink:

NDL

To be honest That 82 year old guy was not a trouble maker, he was a hardened typical old Labour heckler who sits at the back (where all hecklers chose to be) but did not take into account Nu Labours nervousness and suspicion at dissent that has arisen due to their ill thought out policies.

In politics age does not excuse you, was Rudolf Hess’s age and other old Nazis age taken into account at their trials I know this example is a bit extreme. But IMHO it is ageist to defend a politically educated minded person such as the heckler as a frail defenceless old man. No doubt like all campaigners he’ll be there next year giving them grief.

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To be honest That 82 year old guy was not a trouble maker, he was a hardened typical old Labour heckler who sits at the back (where all hecklers chose to be) but did not take into account Nu Labours nervousness and suspicion at dissent that has arisen due to their ill thought out policies.

In politics age does not excuse you, was Rudolf Hess’s age and other old Nazis age taken into account at their trials I know this example is a bit extreme. But IMHO it is ageist to defend a politically educated minded person such as the heckler as a frail defenceless old man. No doubt like all campaigners he’ll be there next year giving them grief.

Firstly I should apologise, I should have said "trouble maker", perhaps that helps.

Secondly, I only used his age as I can't remember his name, and it was a quick and easy wayto ensure everyone knew who I was talking about. From your reply I think this worked as you knew exactly who I was talking about.

Thirdly, I agree only to an extent with your comments on ageism. A person frail through age or other means, should never be man-handled to the degree that man was. It could be argued that nobody should be man-handled to that degree, but some people simply are not strong enough to be handled like that.

NDL

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Let's just say some HPC bears joined up, formed a housing group for FTBs, and a few months down the line collectively approached the media as members of this cross-UK FTB housing group, to complain about government policy - complaining just enough to get expelled........

You're right about the strong possibility that you would get expelled.

The Labour Party unlike any other political party in the UK has the right to expel anyone within its ranks who has, in their opinion (and their opinion alone), 'brought the party into disrepute'. They can expel you for almost any reason, usually because someone has fallen out of favour with current thinking or current power players. I know one of the very very few people to have their expulsion from the party oveturned. In the Liberal Democrat and Conservative parties membership is, I believe, decided at a local level and expulsions are virtually non-existent.

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NDL

Thanks for the reply. No criticism of you or your post, I agree with your point three.

It’s just that I thought it could be slightly insulting to the old guy, whose name I can’t remember to be used as media fodder due to his age and not the calculated risk he took by bravely speaking out.

The heavy handedness is indefensible

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See the stones coming at my window

Ever since then I've not been conscious

to all the chains of dirt passed onto me

Rubicon it's almost over

Rubicon has come so close to me

Turn back or we'll start the fire

They're all part of the big machine now

Check the angles from both forces

Overcome by the need to fight it,

fight it, fight it, fight it, fight it

Here comes the morning (and) I'll say goodbye to you

Here comes the morning (and) I'll say goodbye

but I don't turn around 'cos the reason is treason

See the stones coming at my window

See they left me no protection

Tell his family that he won't be ok

K! I! L-L!

Turn away from the suffering silence

You can't face your country using you

Check the angles from both forces

Overcome by the need to fight it,

fight it, fight it, fight it, fight it

Here comes the morning (and) I'll say goodbye to you

Here comes the morning (and) I'll say goodbye

but I don't turn around 'cos the reason is treason

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The most interesting thing I found in the 2005 NuLab manifesto was their intention to create a 'share owning britain'

(excuse the common misuse of 'britain' rather than reference to UK)

I was amazed... a genuine modern socialist policy. WOW!

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