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Moralising And Bull Bashing

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Will a house price crash finally lead to a halt in slackly thought out moralising and judgement on others? Once these people step on board at the trough and are on board with their own ticket to houseprice inflationville will their principles finally turn out to be nothing more than jealousy?

Though there is still some good analysis of the housing market here I suppose once you have finally convivnced yourself with the facts, does onebecome entrenched in bearishness and have nothing better to do than start questioning the ethics that are assumed to be on the opposite camp?

What happened to good old fashioned debate and analysis of the facts. Im a bear and am sure that house prices on a gut feel are over priced and there is evidence to suggest this, mostly gained from this site, but it would be nice to see a better look appraisal of new facts and stories.

A lot of the time these days any bullishness is seen as VI spin, EA scum propoganda, sellout labour rather more often than a look at how the facts might contain some truth, if a bull pops up due to the overwelming bear population of this site it soons starts to descend into some name calling.

I have also seen times when people who have hefty deposits or seem to have some wealth(maybe asking what to do with it), a sneering left wing tone emerges that your kind aint welcome here. Likewise banks are some vehicle of the devil out to ensnare all who come before them, EAs are morally empty soulsuckers who sell their grannies overpriced BTL investments. Its as though bulls share or should share some kinda socialist bent and guardianist ethical ubringing. I certainly am from a i suppose right wing camp, and believe in personal responsbilty and freedom to put your money where you like, work hard if you want to and no one should have to rely on govn. etc. I certainly dont know anyone on this board and dont start judging how good a person they are from a few meaningless posts

Im a FTB, fair play to you if you have saved up or got a better job than me, fair play if you want own 3 houses ( I dont think its the best place for your money but its your call), and fair play if you want to set yourself apart from the common self centred masses by telling us all why you are morally superior by not pricing local farmers out of a croft in Scotland by not buying a holiday home. As a FTB I want to see well thought out information on where prices are going, anecdotes on how people have made/lost money by buying etc.

It was nice to see a post from an EA recently and some sensible and mature talk about the real issue on houseprices. One of the most interesting posts Ive read for a while. All Im trying to get at above is that such people should feel free to post here and not fear a petty string of bullying replies, likewise I havent seen much from landlords lately about how its going for them, and why should they when all youll get is gloating predictions of financial ruin and hate.

Apologies to anyone who has recently posted a topic etc concerned with ethics and morals you were not the straw that broke my camelesque back, been meaning to post this rant (v. theraputic Id recommend it) for ages and its more to just raise the point that we should be encoraging some balance.

Cheers (luv you all really)

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a sneering left wing tone emerges that your kind aint welcome here. ..... Its as though bulls share or should share some kinda socialist bent and guardianist ethical ubringing.

Funny.I always thought the board was rather right wing.

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I come on this site because it is called House Price Crash, if I want to satisfy my sense of balance then I would go over to singing whatever it is. Bulls or anyone with an opposing view aren’t bullied on here they come for a fight. As for socialist and right wing, these labels to me are irrelevant to this single issue forum as they are reflective of old twentieth century cold war yar boo politics where the real causes of the issues are thrown out with the bath water (of whose right and whose left) and the real cause of the issue is overlooked and never solved.

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Well done Mr_Sminty, I've been seeing the same.

I worry that some of the extreme views on this forum could repel people from joining or even reading it. I introduced a friend to this forum last week and we were talking about it yesterday, she found a thread which described BTLers and holiday home owners as immoral. She used words such as "activist" :ph34r: and "over the top" to describe the thread, she too is a potential FTB, it can only remain to be seen if she reads this forum again.

I think some people need to be honest with themselves. I want a HPC for entirely selfish reasons and am therefore a VI (equal but opposite to Kirsty Allsop - crickey!). I'm not a bad person and I wouldn't say my HPC desires are unreasonable, but they are self serving.

I'm concerned that some posters use other issues or paint themselves as victims, as an excuse to demonise those who are trying to sell a home or own more than one property, while not addressing the fact that they only really want a crash so they can buy a house. I'll admit to refering to home sellers, BTLers and 2nd home owners as stupid on occasion and having a good laugh at them, but using words such as 'Immoral' or 'Evil' are IMO is making this site look ridiculous.

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I want a HPC for entirely selfish reasons and am therefore a VI

dont confuse selfishness with fairness.

fairness means an affordable home at 3.5x annual salary same as everybody else.

selfishness means squeezing the incoming generation dry of all hope.

if not wanting to hand over +100k to fuel a sham economy makes me an activist

-then call me the pink panther and give me some pink paint and a map of the halifax hq.

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Well said Fred!

Mr Sminty - you seem to have something against morals and moral arguments, why? This website has made me more aware than ever how amoral and even immoral much of our media is. :mellow:

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Good post Fred.

I’m fed up with after having worked and saved all my life and find myself in a position where I’m hoping for a price crash (which is obviously going to involve a lot of misguided people to suffer) because of constant rises and speculation in this area of life’s necessity. For years now a price of a box has been leaping faster than the majority of us can save a usable deposit.

I was also fed up with happy `look what royalty is doing’ type smiles from newsreaders as they announced that `House prices have risen again’. What sensible person wants it? Not even so called babyboomers or young families who already own and need to upgrade to bring up their families.

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Well said Mr_Sminty

I use this forum , as I do other forums that interest me, to learn from those with more wisdom than me. I do at times give my opinion and am very often shot down in flames. The reason? I am a BTL landlord.

It is assumed that I have done nothing to deserve more than one property. Or I am just plain stupid, among other descriptions, for buying earlier this year.

I enjoyed fast cars, skiing and summer holidays. But to get onto the property ladder I gave up all of these. I've spent 4 years pretty much just existing, because of the mortgage. Because of the untold bills.

If I wasn't working i was refurbishing my home. It was the same with my BTL, although I only spent 2 months on the refurbishing. I am not a builder. Believe me I made some mistakes, but I persevered and did a fairly good job.

I do have another reason. My Father is reasonably well off. His house is paid for and he owns a large plot of land in the carribean. He retired at 55 because he worked hard. I want him to enjoy his wealth.More importantly, I want to make him proud. Do I care what people think on the forum about my BTL? Hell no. My Father is proud of me.

I know many people that bought over 10 years ago and got a far bigger house than me for far less. I might call them "jammy" but i'm not bitter. It was just their time. My time has come and so will yours one day.

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dont confuse selfishness with fairness.

fairness means an affordable home at 3.5x annual salary same as everybody else.

selfishness means squeezing the incoming generation dry of all hope.

if not wanting to hand over +100k to fuel a sham economy makes me an activist

-then call me the pink panther and give me some pink paint and a map of the halifax hq.

First of all, I want to state that I am whole heartedly behind this site and have found it a great place to vent my frustrations anomously (can't spell sorry). I may have only signed up resently, but I have been reading it for about 18 months.

I admit I was painting my case in rather a straight forward way, I'm an Engineer, that's what we do I'm afraid. Yes, I agree with you, I am not wanting to hand over my hard earned cash to someone who has simply sat in there home for a year or more and I did state my reasons were not nessesarily unjust (I think I did anyway).

All I'm saying is that sometimes we need to think about what we are doing here, the word activist was used by my friend and she was laughing when she said it. Hence, she wasn't taking us seriously. If the views of people on this site aren't taken seriously, then we'll simply be dismissed as fools. Granted, she is only one person, but she is pretty typical of society (IMO).

I agree with 90% of what is said on this site, I just worry about how it is presented.

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I agree with 90% of what is said on this site, I just worry about how it is presented.

This is a web forum where a lot of random people discuss issues relating to house prices, so the information in the forum is not really presented as such - I really like the way there are all kinds of views expressed.

I direct people to Warwickshire Lad's website firsttimebuyerhelp.co.uk, if that gets them interested I suggest they come here. The name housepricecrash.co.uk will stop some people from taking it seriously at first.

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I always think of Global Warming when people complain about biased opinions. There is a 99% consensus among scientists that global warming is happening, do we always have to give the 1% of fools that deny it the same airtime! A HPC is happening end of story.

Also if this board is Left Wing can I ask your opinions on immigration? :D

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This is a web forum where a lot of random people discuss issues relating to house prices, so the information in the forum is not really presented as such - I really like the way there are all kinds of views expressed.

I direct people to Warwickshire Lad's website firsttimebuyerhelp.co.uk, if that gets them interested I suggest they come here. The name housepricecrash.co.uk will stop some people from taking it seriously at first.

Hi,

I know what you mean about the name of this site, a couple of times people have 'caught me' on it and had a good laugh at me (yes seriously, without even reading anymore than the name), but I guess I wouldn't have found this site unless it was named as such.

I think the best thing by far on this site is the news blog, I don't know of any other site that can compete. More often than not, I've sold this site to others on the strength of this alone.

It's always nice to see differing views and that isn't my complaint. In most views I read, I agree with something, even the conficting ones. If there is a good ol' arguement going on, it can be the most enjoyable thing to read and learn from. I'm just concerned to see (bull, BTL, etc) bashing taken to the exteme, with words like immoral and evil being used.

Strangely enough, none of the people I feel are posting extreme views have responded to this thread. Right freds dead responded, feeling I was directing them at him/her, but I've always quite enjoyed his posts.

Anyway, I'm going to have to call it a day for today as I've got a 4am start tommorrow (yipee).

Aufweidersen,

LG

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It's always nice to see differing views and that isn't my complaint. In most views I read, I agree with something, even the conficting ones. If there is a good ol' arguement going on, it can be the most enjoyable thing to read and learn from. I'm just concerned to see (bull, BTL, etc) bashing taken to the exteme, with words like immoral and evil being used.

Actually I agree with that. Remember crashisunderway? The worst culprit for bull bashing, he used to deny also posting as PropertyGuru but then he went off on a long trip at exactly the same time that PropertyGuru announced he was going away on a cruise :lol::lol:

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