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As a HPCer would you like to remain or withdraw from the E.U in it's current guise

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Yes and No.

I like the free trade and movement across borders, but that is it.

But the EU is so much more than that, so I take it in such a referendum (which will never happen) you'd vote no?

I'd vote no. We should have a similar relationship with the EU as Switzerland or Norway.

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Why does this ****ing board throw you out of the topic when you login?

I think it's an E.U regulation.

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I voted No, but I would vote for pulling out of the EU and into something like EFTA : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Free_Trade_Association

I like the aspects of Free Trade and Movement (although we should not allow all and sundry in) but the constant regulation and tinkering from outside the UK is what kills the EU for me.

There is no reason why we cannot have free movement of goods without all the bureaucracy we have at present.

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I voted No, but I would vote for pulling out of the EU and into something like EFTA : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Free_Trade_Association

I like the aspects of Free Trade and Movement (although we should not allow all and sundry in) but the constant regulation and tinkering from outside the UK is what kills the EU for me.

There is no reason why we cannot have free movement of goods without all the bureaucracy we have at present.

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I'm British (as in: no overseas blood for 4 generations :P) but I have lived much of my life in France, and I married a French girl.

I love Europe, I love wandering the streets in some new country, I love talking to new people with different mindsets.

I believe that the current EU structure is an enemy of this, it's a bureaucratic, puritanical monster, a brilliant dream born in the ashes of WW2 that has turned into a nightmare.

My 2p worth anyway.

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Btw I voted No, but find as I get older that I'm beginning not to really care as far as I'm concerned (almost feel that I've been battered into submission :lol: ) though I do care that younger people should have the opportunity to make the decision. Whatever the result, it's an issue that I wish we could move on from.

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Yes....but only on our own terms, not on the terms of others that are only looking after their own pockets and best interests not the people that matter and who did not vote for them to speak and make decisions on our behalf. ;)

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I'm British (as in: no overseas blood for 4 generations :P) but I have lived much of my life in France, and I married a French girl.

I love Europe, I love wandering the streets in some new country, I love talking to new people with different mindsets.

I believe that the current EU structure is an enemy of this, it's a bureaucratic, puritanical monster, a brilliant dream born in the ashes of WW2 that has turned into a nightmare.

My 2p worth anyway.

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Although I'm not sure about the puritanical monster.

Eurocrats' behaviour up to and including bunga bunga parties sure don't look puritanical to me. :)

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By being out of the EU we can pick and choose what laws to implement etc, using all the other countries on this planet to look for working examples, that way we can implement change on our terms to maintain a competative advantage in one way whilst being mindful of cultural differences.

I liked the idea of power and strength by numbers, I liked the idea that we can move and trade freely with our European neighbours, I liked the way we can learn from each other....what I don't like is the gravy train that the bureaucrats are on, and that they have been feathering their own nests at our expense, they who have brought in all sorts of stupid rules and regulations that are totally useless to the well being of the majority of the citizens of Europe. ;)

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http://www.talktalk....-housing/22367/

He also sought to rein in activists on Europe and tax cuts, stating that he would not support a referendum on Britain's membership of the EU and making clear that early reductions in tax are not a priority.

One can't support 'activists' can one? At least they're not 'student protesters' but still, an 'activist' is an 'activist'. But thank God he's 'reining them in' like good animals that need a good whipping once in a while.

Propaganda 101: if you succeed in dehumanising the opposition you will then be able to do anything to them without anyone lifting a finger to stop you.

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If we did have a referendum, and we voted no, what would it cost us, financially as a country to pull out & would it effect those British people who live in the EU?

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As a HPCer would you like to remain or withdraw from the E.U in it's current guise

As a HPCer I would like to remain in the E.U. (i.e. Londoner living in Germany).

If we could get good government somehow (either for EU or UK), that would be a nice bonus too.

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Yes, it is a good concept.......but like with communism or capitalism we need to change the bureaucrats, lawyers and politicial elite who run it for it to work fairly.

Nevertheless, I would rather trade and swap labour with another member state country with similar social responsibilities than China India or the USA.

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But the EU is so much more than that, so I take it in such a referendum (which will never happen) you'd vote no?

I'd vote no. We should have a similar relationship with the EU as Switzerland or Norway.

There's no doubt that would be best for Britain

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Yes and No.

I like the free trade and movement across borders, but that is it.

That will be the EFA, the European Free Trade area, like the Swiss are in.

All the trade benifits, non of the bailouts/regulations/costs.

Leaving the EU is a no-brainer.

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David Cameron doesnt have the dignity to follow through on his word and give people a referendeum on the eu.

In fact he said on the andrew marr show today that he didnt want to leave the eu and that he thinks people didnt want to leave either. Yet his rational for not giving the referendeum was that he didnt want to leave the eu.

He knows the people would vote to leave the eu, and he is just a typical two faced politician who should be ashamed of himself. Churchill must be turning in his grave when he sees this clown in office.

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If we did have a referendum, and we voted no, what would it cost us, financially as a country to pull out & would it effect those British people who live in the EU?

The "we are already in and it will cost alot to get out now" arguement doesnt cut it with me. Its a disgracful arguement. WHatever it costs us it will 100% be worth it. We didnt want to get into this political union.It is a matter of maximum national security. We need to get out of the EU now before we surrender any more of our democracy.

Already the decision makers are dangerously removed from the public. The EU commision wield massive power and we can vote them out of office. This whole thing has gone on too long. Fortunatly I think Cameron will get a shock from his eurospectic backbenchers. There are still some on the labour side too, but less so now they are all blairite champagne socialists.

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