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Because hard work and honesty are no longer rewarded in this country.

Thanks to Nu Labour this country rewards the feckless and dishonest.

Socialists believe that everyone is created equal and it makes no difference if we swap millions of honest hard working people for millions of dishonest, welfare fiddling people

But the truth is - it does - because people are not all the same.

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and the current situation where corporations and their main shareholders make billions and pay little or no tax in the country is OK by you ? We are not all the same.......that much we agree on. The problem isn't with Mr Lazy getting 60quid a week unemployment benefit.

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Wishful thinking ?

Living standards* for the majority of the UK population are going to decline significantly but even a 50% reduction would still put the UK ahead of the home countries of many existing and potential economic migrants. Maybe those from the relatively more prosperous countries like Poland will return home but not the Romanians, Bulgarians, Nigerians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis etc who will still see the UK as a land of opportunity (and free money).

* healthcare, education, public order, infrastructure, housing, disposable income

Economic migrants will always follow the money.

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Because hard work and honesty are no longer rewarded in this country.

Thanks to Nu Labour this country rewards the feckless and dishonest.

Socialists believe that everyone is created equal and it makes no difference if we swap millions of honest hard working people for millions of dishonest, welfare fiddling people

But the truth is - it does - because people are not all the same.

:blink:

Yes. Single teenage moms, career dole scroungers, immigrants, alsylum seekers etc were all unheard of before Tony Blair took office.

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I've got contacts in some semiconductor companies in Austria. Vienna would be expensive, but I'm thinking Villach. If not their, then Dresden or Munich (again expensive but great quality of life - been before).

How did you find the salaries in germany/austria semis jobs by comparison to where you are now?

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Because hard work and honesty are no longer rewarded in this country.

Thanks to Nu Labour this country rewards the feckless and dishonest.

Socialists believe that everyone is created equal and it makes no difference if we swap millions of honest hard working people for millions of dishonest, welfare fiddling people

But the truth is - it does - because people are not all the same.

:blink:

Correct....some are good at making money, others are not......

.....a hard working person can also be a poor person......depends on the talents they are born with, where they were born, who they were born to, how they use/exploit them, and the percentage of people who share the same talents. ;)

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How did you find the salaries in germany/austria semis jobs by comparison to where you are now?

Well, coming from my contact, he says in Austria with 4 years of experience I'd be looking at $45-55k Euros. Germany $50-60k Euros. Knock off 50-60% for taxes/healthcare/pension/welfare etc. I should be on £35k here (sounds too little) but that isn't taxed THAT much - though when you consider stealth taxes and cost of property.... saying that, I've spoken to many people from Germany now and they say the tech jobs near the cities.. I'd be looking at higher cost of living and would be better off here, financially. I'm all for being better off financially... it's a change of culture and learning a new language I'd be keen on. Who knows. I got a whole load of other info from the guy - the jobs sound a lot more secure than in the UK (unions) - hard work but good lifestyle etc.

I was speaking to a German lady who works in a bookshop today (day off) - she was very kind and helpful. She says for Bavarian German (if moving to Munich) the language is so different from what I'll see in books. I'm doing well by using Deutsche Welle online - ended up buying a German:English parallel text book, and a colloquial German book. She moved here because she was always holidaying here - I told her I'm the opposite. She has some savings and rents - says it is preferable to buying with these ridiculous costs in a falling market especially. Plus she thinks build quality here is poor and there is no point in buying when you can rent and quickly move if you have bad neighbours or change jobs. She ridiculed the renting system, though - compared to Europe, it is a disgrace. It was all very refreshing to hear! I was telling her how the economy here is basically built on banking and property flipping - she thought the shipbuilding skills had been put to use for green energy. I don't think it's as successful as perhaps she thinks - I told her basically we're throwing our skills down the pan and with little remorse.

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Plus she thinks build quality here is poor and there is no point in buying when you can rent and quickly move if you have bad neighbours or change jobs. She ridiculed the renting system, though - compared to Europe, it is a disgrace. It was all very refreshing to hear! I was telling her how the economy here is basically built on banking and property flipping - I told her basically we're throwing our skills down the pan and with little remorse.

Hard to argue with that. ;)

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and the current situation where corporations and their main shareholders make billions and pay little or no tax in the country is OK by you ? We are not all the same.......that much we agree on. The problem isn't with Mr Lazy getting 60quid a week unemployment benefit.

Don't know where this 60 quid a week comes from

The housing benefit bill alone is over 20 Billion a year

And they may not pay tax here but they pay someones wages

But then I know many here think that unemployment could be solved by everyone working for the state

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Correct....some are good at making money, others are not......

.....a hard working person can also be a poor person......depends on the talents they are born with, where they were born, who they were born to, how they use/exploit them, and the percentage of people who share the same talents. ;)

They may be poor but they cost the state nothing.

The key fact is that millions of people who were net contributors have left

to be replaced by millions of people who are a net drain on our economy.

Labour commissioned research on this but censored the results because it was ideologically embarassing for them.

The last 10-15 years have been an absolute disaster for this country

and we will be paying for the consequences for decades if not hundreds of years.

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They may be poor but they cost the state nothing.

The key fact is that millions of people who were net contributors have left

to be replaced by millions of people who are a net drain on our economy.

Labour commissioned research on this but censored the results because it was ideologically embarassing for them.

The last 10-15 years have been an absolute disaster for this country

and we will be paying for the consequences for decades if not hundreds of years.

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I don't agree with all of your thinking......many who have left have not been net contributors to this country, many who have come here have not been a drain on our economy.

I agree they have let too many in that have nothing to offer and who have lived here many years but still can't be bothered to speak the language have created a lot of resentment amongst Brown's 'Bigots'. ;)

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Economic migrants will always follow the money.

Precisely!

While the UK continues with a relatively lax immigration policy and generous benefits system it will continue to attract economic migrants. If people are prepared to work in near slavery conditions in the middle east for GBP150 per month (when they get paid) they will jump at the chance to come to the UK (legally or otherwise).

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I don't agree with all of your thinking......many who have left have not been net contributors to this country, many who have come here have not been a drain on our economy.

I agree they have let too many in that have nothing to offer and who have lived here many years but still can't be bothered to speak the language have created a lot of resentment amongst Brown's 'Bigots'. ;)

My resentment is based on the fact that my kids won't be able to afford a decent home and will struggle to find employment.

When I entered the world of work in Thatchers Britain ordinary people had a very good chance of getting a job that paid enough for them to have a decent life and afford a decent home.

I also miss the people who have left and mourn the millions of unborn children wiped out by left wing genocide

The people who replaced them will change the country forever

We will see if the change will be for the better

but so far the future is looking pretty grim IMO.

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My resentment is based on the fact that my kids won't be able to afford a decent home and will struggle to find employment.

When I entered the world of work in Thatchers Britain ordinary people had a very good chance of getting a job that paid enough for them to have a decent life and afford a decent home.

I also miss the people who have left and mourn the millions of unborn children wiped out by left wing genocide

The people who replaced them will change the country forever

We will see if the change will be for the better

but so far the future is looking pretty grim IMO.

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So you and your kids, many other people and their kids will mark an x on the spot of the people that can create good decent jobs for all, fair days work for a fair days pay, will reduce the cost of housing, and banish freeloading and corruption....giving people our young a chance and hope for the future....at the moment the law abiding tax paying hard working are paying the price for the underclass who would prefer to stay there because they don't know any better or expect any better only for more to join them, and the dishonest who will walk all over others and know all the tricks in the book to avoid paying what is due....because they know people in high places and are therefore entitled to get away with it....because they are worth it. ;)

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Well, coming from my contact, he says in Austria with 4 years of experience I'd be looking at $45-55k Euros. Germany $50-60k Euros. Knock off 50-60% for taxes/healthcare/pension/welfare etc. I should be on £35k here (sounds too little) but that isn't taxed THAT much - though when you consider stealth taxes and cost of property.... saying that, I've spoken to many people from Germany now and they say the tech jobs near the cities.. I'd be looking at higher cost of living and would be better off here, financially. I'm all for being better off financially... it's a change of culture and learning a new language I'd be keen on. Who knows. I got a whole load of other info from the guy - the jobs sound a lot more secure than in the UK (unions) - hard work but good lifestyle etc.

Thanks for the detailed reply, very useful.

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So you and your kids, many other people and their kids will mark an x on the spot of the people that can create good decent jobs for all, fair days work for a fair days pay, will reduce the cost of housing, and banish freeloading and corruption....giving people our young a chance and hope for the future....at the moment the law abiding tax paying hard working are paying the price for the underclass who would prefer to stay there because they don't know any better or expect any better only for more to join them, and the dishonest who will walk all over others and know all the tricks in the book to avoid paying what is due....because they know people in high places and are therefore entitled to get away with it....because they are worth it. ;)

Under new Labour we exported honest hard working people

And imported a new underclass

And this is what Frank Field said.

As a result we have now gone way past the tipping point where more people are taking more out than there are people putting in.

And the idea of getting this money from the 'rich' is a non starter because once you take all their money they will no longer be rich

and what then, when there are no 'rich' people left to rob?

This is why Socialism always fails.

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I'm doing a PhD in Bioinformatics, me and the other-half are intending long-term to emigrate to NZ. This place is a hell-hole and I sure as hell don't want the kids to grow up in this sh1t-hole with no prospects and in a 3rd world, 3rd rate country.

If you think the UK is 3rd world you need to open your eyes mate and do a bit of real travelling <_<

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Under new Labour we exported honest hard working people

And imported a new underclass

And this is what Frank Field said.

As a result we have now gone way past the tipping point where more people are taking more out than there are people putting in.

And the idea of getting this money from the 'rich' is a non starter because once you take all their money they will no longer be rich

and what then, when there are no 'rich' people left to rob?

This is why Socialism always fails.

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I can't agree with you....your views are very extreme.....some people that have come to this country to live have only brought good with them.....there is good and bad in all types of people....maybe we should have been more selective in who came in....and when the visas expired see it was corrected, instead of just ignoring it for years.....in most parts it was a lack of enforcement of the law. ;)

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I am living in Thailand, my second year now, its living costs which keep me away from UK. I rent a 2 bed, 2 bath 62 sqm apartment which is pool side (on the left on this pic) for 13,300b which is about £350 inc bills - in the UK I paid more than this for just bills and only 1 bed apartment. Lifestyle is a little different here to, beer can be had for 80p a bottle in a bar, buy 2 get 1 free, think petrol is 80p a litre - I have 3 or 4 girls (not bar girls, all have normal jobs) who are happy to spend the night with me - dropped the 21 year old one off this morning at her shop and (I am 38) - happy days.

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Yes but in what numbers?

There is a big difference between a few thousand scroungers and millions

The difference is state bankruptcy

And when you reach that point the burden the work free place on the workers becomes ever greater until work is no longer worthwhile for many.

And as more and more are priced out of work those that are left stop having children so that in a couple of generations you have a nation decended from welfare dependants and asylum seekers fighting over the scraps of what's left of the economy.

Picture Somalia, but cold and wet. :(

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And when you reach that point the burden the work free place on the workers becomes ever greater until work is no longer worthwhile for many.

And as more and more are priced out of work those that are left stop having children so that in a couple of generations you have a nation decended from welfare dependants and asylum seekers fighting over the scraps of what's left of the economy.

Picture Somalia, but cold and wet. :(

And we have a large coastline so huge oppurtunities for pirating.

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