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Since I read about someone being arrested for telling people to riot from an online website I would never directly say people should riot or rebel against the government. However peaceful demonstrations (yeah right..) should do a great job.

The main reason we are not a capitalist country is because for the main outgoing most people pay (rent/ mortgage) it's a completely artificially expensive market which is causing a lot of the economic problems in our country like mass unemployment and basically a sh!tty standard of living generally for 90% of the population unless you think working 40 hours/ week just to afford to live a life is fun.

So if you think through what high rent and property prices really mean you should come to the obvious realisation it's just an 'existence' tax for people that need to live because everyone knows no one wants to be homeless.

Therefore tax in our country is a lot higher than people say it is, I would hazard a guess it's somewhere around 60% for low earnings and 70-80% for high earners ie if you are taxed at 50% then paying extortionate amounts in rent or mortgage you are probably losing that much.

The obvious solution and most effective is to opt out of the system. This has been said before but I think it needs it's own thread, we need a grassroots movement for mass squatting across Britain and mass building of underground housing which can be affordable if communities group together their free time and funds into living in shared underground accomodation.

When I say underground I just mean you dig a little into the ground and build a single floor structure so that it doesn't need planning permission then just make sure it passes the laws regarding safety and suitability of the structure for living purposes, which is ******** too but let's not preytell.

Another solution is to become a Traveller whereby you live in a caravan or more expensive vehicle like those small coaches which convert to cheaper versions of luxury caravans. Then find places to park where you don't need to pay rent.

So four options-

1) Squatting

2) Semi-underground housing

3) If you have the intelligence try converting one of those small coach type vehicles into your own luxury caravan without the cost.

4) My personal favourite. If you are not business savvy and can't become successful then instead try saving money then taking extended holidays of 1-2 years in countries with very low costs of living so you don't need to work every year of your life.

Personally out of the three options I like the third one best. As I plan to move to Australia in future I am going to consider option three which I will be able to do once I've saved up enough money. I'll rent a 2 bedroom apartment and lease out one room while saving money until I can afford to convert my own mini-coach type vehicle.

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Option 5 - Emigrating.

We are planning to move to ROI next year (subject to spending some more time there to a better feel for the different areas)

Our situation is that we would like to move back to Somerset / Cornwall (where are family is located) from Kent. We can't afford to as there are few job opportunities and primarily the property prices are ridiculous.

So last year I hatched our plan B. We will move to Ireland somewhere rural around an hour from Galway or Cork. You can get a house there like this:

http://www.daft.ie/searchsale.daft?id=613424

For around £55k / 60k Euros, It's about an hour commute to Cork which is fine for me, we get some land for chickens, dogs, etc... If necessary I will do IT contracting fro 3 to 6 months at the time which will give me plenty of time off..

The main points for me is if I moved to Cornwall I would need to commute to Exeter etc. Around an hour. If I moved to somerset Glastonbury I would need to commure to Bristol (also an hour)

And oh yes this type of property in Somerset / Cornwall would cost you around £200k+ not £55k

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6) Buy a load of land (with others if preferred) and secede from the UK. Inform the press and UN of your peaceful ambitions. Sight that your land was taken centuries ago and you think it is about time you were given it back.

If they threaten violence, then re-enforce your peaceful right to your land. If they use violence, record everything and publish it online. Realistically, they either send the police/army in or they will have to give in.

Ofc, they may threaten to cut your electricity, water, land-line etc, but they will then be refusing to trade peacefully out of spite. You could highlight this to the media and anyone who will listen. Offer to negotiate a price to access these services if needed, but septic tanks, collected water, generated electricity etc could reduce the requirement.

I think it would be rather interesting if anyone tried this. It would certainly be a rather impressive protest! :)

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Option 5. Emigrating.

I've been kicking over an idea lately of using overseas tax residency as a form of personal tax arbitrage. For example if you were in a position to work remotely you could divide your time between one of the low tax, flat tax regimes in the CEE and the UK. The Czech Republic, for instance, has a 15% personal income tax rate ( that doesn't include payroll HSSI payments, but I believe there's a dual taxation treaty dispensation for that). The devil is in the details of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is already common practice in some circles.

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I think it would be rather interesting if anyone tried this. It would certainly be a rather impressive protest! :)

Sorry you would all be locked up in prison for that. There's a whole host of laws that dictate what you can do with land once you "own" it, owning in Britain is a misnomer.

I'd be interested to know if there are any stable, cheap countries where foreigners are allowed to buy land/ live in the country and without anti-capitalistic laws preventing natural use of such land?

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Since I read about someone being arrested for telling people to riot from an online website I would never directly say people should riot or rebel against the government. However peaceful demonstrations (yeah right..) should do a great job.

The main reason we are not a capitalist country is because for the main outgoing most people pay (rent/ mortgage) it's a completely artificially expensive market which is causing a lot of the economic problems in our country like mass unemployment and basically a sh!tty standard of living generally for 90% of the population unless you think working 40 hours/ week just to afford to live a life is fun.

So if you think through what high rent and property prices really mean you should come to the obvious realisation it's just an 'existence' tax for people that need to live because everyone knows no one wants to be homeless.

Therefore tax in our country is a lot higher than people say it is, I would hazard a guess it's somewhere around 60% for low earnings and 70-80% for high earners ie if you are taxed at 50% then paying extortionate amounts in rent or mortgage you are probably losing that much.

The obvious solution and most effective is to opt out of the system. This has been said before but I think it needs it's own thread, we need a grassroots movement for mass squatting across Britain and mass building of underground housing which can be affordable if communities group together their free time and funds into living in shared underground accomodation.

When I say underground I just mean you dig a little into the ground and build a single floor structure so that it doesn't need planning permission then just make sure it passes the laws regarding safety and suitability of the structure for living purposes, which is ******** too but let's not preytell.

Another solution is to become a Traveller whereby you live in a caravan or more expensive vehicle like those small coaches which convert to cheaper versions of luxury caravans. Then find places to park where you don't need to pay rent.

So four options-

1) Squatting

2) Semi-underground housing

3) If you have the intelligence try converting one of those small coach type vehicles into your own luxury caravan without the cost.

4) My personal favourite. If you are not business savvy and can't become successful then instead try saving money then taking extended holidays of 1-2 years in countries with very low costs of living so you don't need to work every year of your life.

Personally out of the three options I like the third one best. As I plan to move to Australia in future I am going to consider option three which I will be able to do once I've saved up enough money. I'll rent a 2 bedroom apartment and lease out one room while saving money until I can afford to convert my own mini-coach type vehicle.

I had an idea to buy two small plots of land in the countryside then live on one in a caravan / mobile home until evicted then move straight to the other plot.

When evicted from the other plot just move back to the original.

I'm pretty sure the local council would eventually give up on a game like this.

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I think they can slap a section 21 on both pieces of land.

There is a good book 'from field to farm' - explains the rules and loopholes in the old planning syste.

I hope there are lots more loop holes in the new planning system. :rolleyes:

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Good initial post!

It seems emigration really is at the top of many peoples' lists now.

Option one for me is to go over to the U.S. where I can get double my salary, slog it out for a few years and then use the savings to work somewhere else where you wont work like a dog, and give you more holidays.

Option two is to go straight to work in places like Germany/Vienna. True, rent will still have to be paid, but at least the system doesn't seem as corrupt, I'd feel safer on the streets any time of the day, renting is more secure there, and I'd learn a new language sooner rather than later. (Saying all that, I hear the south of France is nice).

I'm currently reading this (well, link to topic):

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=169702

The 'system' really is screwing people over. I really like the 1st post where it claims inflated housing costs are just artificial, it's a greed-fuelled, uneccesary waste and resembles another tax, forcing people to work harder and longer. It really, really does suck (the system).

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I'm going to do some research into the possibility of becoming a reasonably well off person in a poor country instead of trying to be so in a rich country. I think South America would be an amazing place to try this experiment, I've heard good things about Cambodia. This is my backup plan if I don't get rich :P

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6) Buy a load of land (with others if preferred) and secede from the UK.

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Rogue's Rock was about a little island of the south coast of England which declares its independence when valuable minerals are found to be abundant there.

Ahh... 70s children's TV. None finer IMO.

At the time (1975) I used to think that there's was something vaguely treasonous about the series. Now I'd be rowing there in a bathtub if necessary.

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One option is to go somewhere like an oilrig and work huge hours for like 5 years. Live a spartan life, like just have a bedroom at your parents house for when you are back in town.

On the capitalist front.. things are privately owned, but most areas of life are controlled by heavy certifications, limited available licenses, a wall of regulations, etc.. Housing being a good example. Fewer houses are allowed to be built than people needing housing. Making some people very rich, like a landowner who they select to give subdivision approval.

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One option is to go somewhere like an oilrig and work huge hours for like 5 years. Live a spartan life, like just have a bedroom at your parents house for when you are back in town.

Thought of it but my take on it was work as a labourer in Australia on $80k/ year then save up money to buy a small apartment in China and live cheaply. If you own an apartment then you just need to pay 50 pounds/ month in visa fees then you have freedom in a country with very low food costs and bills- and cheap entertainment, restaurants etc

But I found a better plan. I am going to marry my Chinese girlfriend, teach her English and take her to Australia. She will work in a minimum wage job and I'll came JSA, between us we will be on around 2100 pounds/ month which is almost as much money as I would get from solely working as a labourer then I'd use my free time to get successful at online marketing to earn my freedom.

And I'll rent out the 2nd bedroom on a 2 bedroom apartment and cook for the tenant then my rent , bills and food costs are halved (tenant could pay half food) .. ends up being around 650 pounds/ month living cost vs income of 2100/ month so my lifestyle will be much better than the average Western guy yet I won't need to be working in a job.

I think the luckiest part was finding a girlfriend with an amazing personality who wasn't materialistic and was willing to be the main breadwinner though to be fair I have to teach her English from scratch first so I think I'm not being unfair on her. In a society where people are more obsessed with money and status than any other in the world (ie China) I found a girl who is the complete opposite like finding an antibody amongst a deadly virus that was naturally formed.

Even in Western countries I think people would aspire to have a girlfriend like mine. Though I shouldn't boast :P And yeh she's hot too B) I have dated over 100 girls and had over 10 girlfriends to meet one like her, she's the first girl I have thought worthy of marriage.

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main option - emigrate.

But FFS working 40 hours a week to support yourself is a cakewalk compared to what our parents and grandparents had to do. plenty of them had to start work at 12 and keep working until they died at age 60.

If you were a woman it was nonstop manual labour all day just to run a household (cooking cleaning etc etc)

but any way, no we don't live in a capitalist country - the communists won the cold war, the west is now 50% government controlled and it will only increase without serious upheaval.

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Rogue's Rock was about a little island of the south coast of England which declares its independence when valuable minerals are found to be abundant there.

Ahh... 70s children's TV. None finer IMO.

At the time (1975) I used to think that there's was something vaguely treasonous about the series. Now I'd be rowing there in a bathtub if necessary.

The thing is, what is to stop anyone declaring their own fields as an independent state? If you're not threatening anyone (or harbouring terrorists etc), nor using services which you haven't paid for, then what right has the state to stop you doing it? It's essentially just un-conquering your land, which the state had no right to take in the first place.

Ofc, I could imagine them saying stuff like "you're stealing the land from everyone in the country", but that is to acknowledge that we live in a socialist state, where the state owns everything and you merely rent it; that's hardly compatibly with the 'free market in land ownership' facade they drape over us.

If it was essentially an act to extract your land from an oppressive, violent state, how is it any different from the freedom fighters in Libya or elsewhere? The double standards would be so obvious, they would have a very difficult job denying it. If other people started to join in and also declare independence, the state would either have to start putting out fires all over the place (using force - police/army) or would have to simply give in and acknowledge that people should be allowed the choice to opt in or out of the state's rule.

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Rogue's Rock was about a little island of the south coast of England which declares its independence when valuable minerals are found to be abundant there.

Ahh... 70s children's TV. None finer IMO.

At the time (1975) I used to think that there's was something vaguely treasonous about the series. Now I'd be rowing there in a bathtub if necessary.

Bart, did you spend your entire formative years in front of the TV?

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