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My Dad Would Vote Labour Again...

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Had a heated argument with my father this morning.. he was talking abuot how shocking the income figures were for modern apprenticeships.

Me: You can thank Labour for ruining the country

Him: Yeah right, it was the fault of the Tory bankers

Me (incredulous): The Tories weren't in power the last 12 years, Labour ruined us, are you saying you'd vote for Labour again after all that's happened?

Him: Yes, I would. You don't know anything - Margaret Thatcher sold off our industry and it's all the Tories fault.

Me: But then why didn't Labour make it all better again? What about our record debt, unemployment for youngsters, house price inflation that's ruined us all etc etc.

Him: Don't be stupid, the Tories are at fault. They're making it all worse.

Me: What is it with you? Have you been talking to your 'worky' mates again? Two months ago you were in agreement with me and now it's like you've reverted to type, 'oh I'll vote Labour 'cos I work and my dad voted 'em'.

Unbelievable. Now the Tories right now are awful, but not AS awful as Labour were. Nowhere near it! I can see Labour in power again soon. People would rather go down on a sinking ship with Labour in charge than try their hand at prosperous times! And what IS it with the youngsters supporting Labour - nearly all students I've known, anyway. Brainwashing, complete brainwashing.

Rant over lol.

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as for the under 25s - I supported Labour when that age, it is pretty common to be idealistic and socialist when you're young, at least in my case until I sussed out human nature and realised that socialism, tho a nice idea in a simplistic way, would always fail whilst individual people are greedy (ie 100% of the time)

as to your dad - my thoughts are the generation born between about 1955 and 1970 did very well out of the cross-generational wealth transfer that Labour implemented; my point to one or two of them is - when they say 'well I did ok out of Labour', I reply 'that's hardly socialism is it, just seeking your own interests' and then they blame Fatcher. Not all left wingers do this, there are sharp ones I have to credit and they make me think, but the Labour massive is a bit scary.

Having said that you should meet some middle england Tories - thick as p*gsh*t and loaded thru no fault of their own other than inheritance and tax loopholes.Ass-holes come in all shapes and sizes

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Had a heated argument with my father this morning.. he was talking abuot how shocking the income figures were for modern apprenticeships.

Me: You can thank Labour for ruining the country

Him: Yeah right, it was the fault of the Tory bankers

Me (incredulous): The Tories weren't in power the last 12 years, Labour ruined us, are you saying you'd vote for Labour again after all that's happened?

Him: Yes, I would. You don't know anything - Margaret Thatcher sold off our industry and it's all the Tories fault.

Me: But then why didn't Labour make it all better again? What about our record debt, unemployment for youngsters, house price inflation that's ruined us all etc etc.

Him: Don't be stupid, the Tories are at fault. They're making it all worse.

Me: What is it with you? Have you been talking to your 'worky' mates again? Two months ago you were in agreement with me and now it's like you've reverted to type, 'oh I'll vote Labour 'cos I work and my dad voted 'em'.

Unbelievable. Now the Tories right now are awful, but not AS awful as Labour were. Nowhere near it! I can see Labour in power again soon. People would rather go down on a sinking ship with Labour in charge than try their hand at prosperous times! And what IS it with the youngsters supporting Labour - nearly all students I've known, anyway. Brainwashing, complete brainwashing.

Rant over lol.

I'd like to vote for a social democratic party...

Problem as I see it is this.. it should be that if you vote Tory you get --

- Tax Cuts

- Spending Cuts (except police and army)

- Hardline justice

- Pro business/city policies

- Anti-union policies.

- etc.

And if you vote Labour you'd get -

- Tax rises (esp for the rich)

- More public spending (apart from the army)

- More emphasis on rehab for criminals

- Restrictions on the City and big business

- Support for Worker's rights in general

And I'd argue that that last labour government only really did the second, and then by extremely inefficient means (i.e. PFI, Consultants, vast IT projects).

When it comes to some pretty significant subjects - NHS privatization, Immigration, Bank regulation, Tax loopholes, the Drug War - both Conservatives and Labour are way to the right of general public opinion.

This is the problem: Labour got us into problems by pursuing policies such as privatization and deregulation; if we don't like these policies, who are we meant to vote for?

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