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I worked in France a several months. From what I could tell the social state is unsustainable.

but its much more rustic and geared towards austerity that we are. twice the land mass. agriculture is very good. and the french are more socialistic than us. we are quite a 'stag'nation in many respects. most people here are glued to x factor and credit card debt.

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...On the first morning in her first job at the regional council of Aquitaine, she immediately felt there was something very wrong. Her first task took her an hour, but she was told it was a week's work.'

You're surely not implying that's unique to France?

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some lass wrote an expose book about how lazy and corrupt the french civil service was.all these zanu worshippers are gonna get burned and why the f*** not?they want to enslave our youth to keep them in the pozni style they're accustomed too.

the french system is much better than ours. us, not haing one really other than herding the people around via the shepherds crook of the media. sometimes i feel like in on a ship that has no one at the wheel.

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The French have form for collapsing governments. For those out in the remote french countryside playing boulles and tending their grape vines, tis always business as usual regardless.

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this is from the guardian ffs

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/23/french-civil-servant-bored-workforce

'The French public services are vast, expensive and notoriously complex. But reform is the country's great political taboo'

'Aurélie Boullet is an unlikely whistleblower. A straight-A student, she attended Paris's most prestigious universities and won a coveted place to train as a high-ranking civil servant in local government. On the first morning in her first job at the regional council of Aquitaine, she immediately felt there was something very wrong. Her first task took her an hour, but she was told it was a week's work.'

If she's so super talented and efficient, it's a waste for her to be in the local civil service. She should be in the private sector, and better still creating wealth in her own business.

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note as well that many co.s eg siemens,bp,now have banking licences as well.they've learned their lesson.

One more reason not to buy bank shares IMO. Soon all they will have left is retail clients and there is only so much blood you can squeeze from a stone.

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I worked in France a several months. From what I could tell the social state is unsustainable.

I can report from la Belle France that most French people see the effect of trickle down economics in the UK and prefer their version of unsustainability to the Uk one.

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ouch,did I hit a nerve?

No, I'm not a civil servant. I geniunely think that if she's so great, she's wasted in her role in local government.

The second posibility is that she hasn't done her task properly, that's why she's done it faster than expected. A common error commited by new employees who think they know everything but know little.

Yes, the third possibility is that it is an hour's worth of work but the government employees stretch it out to a week.

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No, I'm not a civil servant. I geniunely think that if she's so great, she's wasted in her role in local government.

The second posibility is that she hasn't done her task properly, that's why she's done it faster than expected. A common error commited by new employees who think they know everything but know little.

Yes, the third possibility is that it is an hour's worth of work but the government employees stretch it out to a week.

you forgot to add, this is only ONE example of a lot of emploees. some could be working 40 hours into 36.

i prefer the french system of having more space and life than this x box existence we suffer here.

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I can report vro la Belle France that most French people see the effect of trickle down economics in the UK and prefer their version of unsustainability to the Uk one.

Did you know media executives are also approved by the government in France? Do you realise how useless the media are over there?

Most French people have absolutely no idea about what goes on in France. I can assure you that trickle down economics is very much alive and well over there, in some instances in much more vicious forms than here.

Together with communism... A country in complete denial.

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Sorry,

French bureaucrats make ours look like complete amateurs when it comes to wasting time and money, they have a special school to train them, we just have Common Purpose training/brainwashing.

Everything has to be presented in quintuplicate and have a photo of you on every copy. If you want to make money in France you set up a photobooth near the town hall and wait for the money to roll in.

As for French agriculture being better than the UK, you have to be having a laugh! I owned a 'big' farm in the Dordogne, it was 7 hectares. Most farms are so small they are utterly unsustainable and uneconomic. At agricultural college (1976) I was taught that a farm under 100 acres was not a farm but a social problem. While I don't agree with this entirely there is some merit to the argument.

N.B. The French do not trust their banks as much as we do. They have long memories; a certain Scotsman persuaded the government to let him print paper money as a way out of an economic crisis and collapsed their banks, wiping out everyone's savings. When negotiating a price of something in the country you needed to make sure you are talking in Francs and not Bal.

In France a lot of small farms subsist solely on the pension of the grandparents of the family. This pension is set according to the amount of productive land at the point of retirement. An English friend found that while he had bought a big house with lots of land, the farmer continued to use the land as though he owned it - because he was going to retire soon.

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Sorry,

French bureaucrats make ours look like complete amateurs when it comes to wasting time and money, they have a special school to train them, we just have Common Purpose training/brainwashing.

Everything has to be presented in quintuplicate and have a photo of you on every copy. If you want to make money in France you set up a photobooth near the town hall and wait for the money to roll in.

As for French agriculture being better than the UK, you have to be having a laugh! I owned a 'big' farm in the Dordogne, it was 7 hectares. Most farms are so small they are utterly unsustainable and uneconomic. At agricultural college (1976) I was taught that a farm under 100 acres was not a farm but a social problem. While I don't agree with this entirely there is some merit to the argument.

N.B. The French do not trust their banks as much as we do. They have long memories; a certain Scotsman persuaded the government to let him print paper money as a way out of an economic crisis and collapsed their banks, wiping out everyone's savings. When negotiating a price of something in the country you needed to make sure you are talking in Francs and not Bal.

In France a lot of small farms subsist solely on the pension of the grandparents of the family. This pension is set according to the amount of productive land at the point of retirement. An English friend found that while he had bought a big house with lots of land, the farmer continued to use the land as though he owned it - because he was going to retire soon.

dont the french have ZEE ZEE TV and ZPEED cameras all over the place ?

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in all seriousness. we should be heading to a 30 hour week as technology advances, instead we are to work until 70 or dead. which ever comes sooner. when did we sign up for this slavery ?

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Sorry,

French bureaucrats make ours look like complete amateurs when it comes to wasting time and money, they have a special school to train them, we just have Common Purpose training/brainwashing.

The ENA, my wife was a professor there for 5 years until it moved to Strasbourg. Its output is about 100 students per year, it is basically training cabinet secretary level civil servants and some people who will be appointed to business such as Henri de Castries who runs AXA. Think of it as the French equivalent of PPE at Oxford, it is nothing more sinister.

Most French civil servants are there by direct entry after taking a "concours" (an entrance exam). Exactly like the UK civil servant entrance exams. In local government they may be under occupied but anyone at a senior level will not count the hours they work. My pa. in law was head of the gendarmerie for the Isere (ok its a particuarly crime ridden and dangerous county with open gang warfare between 3 groups in Grenoble: les gitanes, les corses and les arabes) and worked 7 days a week as did his immediate deputies.

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In France a lot of small farms subsist solely on the pension of the grandparents of the family. This pension is set according to the amount of productive land at the point of retirement. An English friend found that while he had bought a big house with lots of land, the farmer continued to use the land as though he owned it - because he was going to retire soon.

No help with CAP then?

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dude,she got sacked for blowing the whistle.......she could have said nothing,would you prefer that?

She also could have been sacked because she fell into category 2, and refused to learn.

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this is from the guardian ffs

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/23/french-civil-servant-bored-workforce

'The French public services are vast, expensive and notoriously complex. But reform is the country's great political taboo'

'Aurélie Boullet is an unlikely whistleblower. A straight-A student, she attended Paris's most prestigious universities and won a coveted place to train as a high-ranking civil servant in local government. On the first morning in her first job at the regional council of Aquitaine, she immediately felt there was something very wrong. Her first task took her an hour, but she was told it was a week's work.'

Thanks for your link from the Guardian it is well worth reading if not for the readers comments as usual they defeat the original article

I thought that the Mayor of whats it called "St Ceneri le Gerei" in lower normandy well Ken Tatham wants to bring a 'Thatcher style of politics to France'

Ken is a businessman he is also the mayor of a village with a population of 150 !

Basse Normandie is poor mans France as usual cheap property in a poor dept

Those like Ken Tatham and many other Brits always end up in cheap property poor rural France

Something that they always forget to mention when they talk to the Guardian!

The famous lazy book has been around for a few years now its nothing new

I remember a poster on the off topic forum posted the link but he no longer posts this was before the' night of the long knives' or the 'Rohm-Putsh' as they say in German

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