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to answer your thread title question "is housing a human right?" then yes it is IMO.

how you obtain Housing, the size etc is a different matter.

is its not a right to be able to buy a house, this is a choice

the basic human rights are IMO

warm, dry shelter, protected from the elements, running hot and cold water and food.

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IMO minimum shelter is something that society should provide to the poor. But there is no human right to be housed in a particular location, at a more than most basic standard or size of dwelling.

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Yes there is, if you are an unemployed bus driver with seven kids it's your human right to have a big house in Maida Vale, provided by the taxpayer, to be near decent shops and other like minded people. If this was not right then Dave and his chums would sort it out and they haven't done so in over a year.

I think you'll find that Maida Vale wasn't a good enough area.

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Thing is, to have housing, needs to build that house.

You should at least have to contribute an equal amount of labour, or the person or people that built the house have had their human rights breached because you took more off them than you gave back.

Or to put it another way, if we all have a human right to a good house, and we all sit back and dont build anything, we will all be having our human rights denied. You couldnt build a house, because someone else would get it or else you would be breaching their human rights by not giving up that which you have built.

For these reasons, I cant see how there can be a human right to housing. As long as you are not held in servitude, and free to trade your labour, and as long as the government ensures that there is no monopoly over land ownership, then you should be able to get housing without any human right for it. You just have to work for it thats all.

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Your human rights are:

the right to life

freedom from torture and degrading treatment

freedom from slavery and forced labour

the right to liberty

the right to a fair trial

the right not to be punished for something that wasn't a crime when you did it

the right to respect for private and family life

freedom of thought, conscience and religion, and freedom to express your beliefs

freedom of expression

freedom of assembly and association

the right to marry and to start a family

the right not to be discriminated against in respect of these rights and freedoms

the right to peaceful enjoyment of your property

the right to an education

the right to participate in free elections

the right not to be subjected to the death penalty

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/governmentcitizensandrights/yourrightsandresponsibilities/dg_4002951

Guides to the act in Arabic, Cantonese, English, French, Gujarati, Polish, Punjabi, Somali, Tamil, Urdu and Welsh are available

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Your human rights are:

the right to life

freedom from torture and degrading treatment

freedom from slavery and forced labour

the right to liberty

the right to a fair trial

the right not to be punished for something that wasn't a crime when you did it

the right to respect for private and family life

freedom of thought, conscience and religion, and freedom to express your beliefs

freedom of expression

freedom of assembly and association

the right to marry and to start a family

the right not to be discriminated against in respect of these rights and freedoms

the right to peaceful enjoyment of your property

the right to an education

the right to participate in free elections

the right not to be subjected to the death penalty

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/governmentcitizensandrights/yourrightsandresponsibilities/dg_4002951

Guides to the act in Arabic, Cantonese, English, French, Gujarati, Polish, Punjabi, Somali, Tamil, Urdu and Welsh are available

you missed a few to be bolded.

the Salvery one is just down to deffintion of Slavery.

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Does someone else have the right to stop you building a house on the land you own/took/killed for/etc. That's a much better question.

How about: Does the government have the right to take away a house or land that you bought and paid for? It happens all the time in the US. The great American dream turns into the great American nightmare.

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to answer your thread title question "is housing a human right?" then yes it is IMO.

how you obtain Housing, the size etc is a different matter.

is its not a right to be able to buy a house, this is a choice

the basic human rights are IMO

warm, dry shelter, protected from the elements, running hot and cold water and food.

So pretty much everyone's human rights were being denied up until 100 years ago, 50 in some bits of the UK?? Come on, access to water may well be a human right, but hot running water as a basic human right is pushing it!

Query - I would have expected Injin to be onto this thread like a rat up a drainpipe. Does s/he actually sleep sometimes?

Edited by cartimandua51

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About 10 years ago when I was in Zurich, there was a scene I will never forget. Every morning in the middle of the Central Station there was an lady in a wheelchair with her foot bandaged begging for money. She must have been at least 90 years old, as she had white hair and was very frail looking. Around her were thousands of very well dressed businessmen and women scurrying to their jobs or appointments, with no one paying the slightest bit of attention. It was pitiful, because of her age, her health, and the fact that no one seemed to care, her relatives, the public, not even the authorities. A strange sight, not unlike something one would see in a TV commerical designed to shock to raise awareness for a cause.

I should add that Zurich is a very wealthy metro area with no signs of poverty, completely unlike a US or UK city.

So IMHO, yes, the governments of all nations should provide BASIC housing and food for those who cannot afford it.

Edited by james7

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Thing is, to have housing, needs to build that house.

You should at least have to contribute an equal amount of labour, or the person or people that built the house have had their human rights breached because you took more off them than you gave back.

Or to put it another way, if we all have a human right to a good house, and we all sit back and dont build anything, we will all be having our human rights denied. You couldnt build a house, because someone else would get it or else you would be breaching their human rights by not giving up that which you have built.

For these reasons, I cant see how there can be a human right to housing. As long as you are not held in servitude, and free to trade your labour, and as long as the government ensures that there is no monopoly over land ownership, then you should be able to get housing without any human right for it. You just have to work for it thats all.

It's the government which maintains the monopoly over land ownership. Basic property (not just land/houses) rights are also abused by said government.

I agree that having a right to a house is illogical, but if you want people to have good access to land to build on, then you need to remove the right of the government to prevent this (i.e. scrap planning permission and their ability to take your property off you).

Edited by Traktion

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So pretty much everyone's human rights were being denied up until 100 years ago, 50 in some bits of the UK?? Come on, access to water may well be a human right, but hot running water as a basic human right is pushing it!

Query - I would have expected Injin to be onto this thread like a rat up a drainpipe. Does s/he actually sleep sometimes?

No need to post, I'm already inside your head. :)

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So pretty much everyone's human rights were being denied up until 100 years ago, 50 in some bits of the UK?? Come on, access to water may well be a human right, but hot running water as a basic human right is pushing it!

Indeed, even today, if anyone hasn't lived a winter with no hot water I'll call them pampered!

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Your human rights are:

the right to life

freedom from torture and degrading treatment

freedom from slavery and forced labour

the right to liberty

the right to a fair trial

the right not to be punished for something that wasn't a crime when you did it

the right to respect for private and family life

freedom of thought, conscience and religion, and freedom to express your beliefs

freedom of expression

freedom of assembly and association

the right to marry and to start a family

the right not to be discriminated against in respect of these rights and freedoms

the right to peaceful enjoyment of your property

the right to an education

the right to participate in free elections

the right not to be subjected to the death penalty

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/governmentcitizensandrights/yourrightsandresponsibilities/dg_4002951

Guides to the act in Arabic, Cantonese, English, French, Gujarati, Polish, Punjabi, Somali, Tamil, Urdu and Welsh are available

Interestingly, most agree that natural law gives 3 of the above too:

- the right to life

- the right to liberty

- the right to peaceful enjoyment of your property

Most of the others can be derived from those, unless they are too arbitrary (such as 'a right to education', which anyone teach themselves or others)

From that website: "If any of these rights and freedoms are breached, you have a right to an effective solution in law, even if the breach was by someone in authority, such as, for example, a police officer."

Right - so does that mean we can all sue the government for breaching (at least):

- freedom from slavery and forced labour

- the right to peaceful enjoyment of your property

After all, we are tax slaves and the government constantly steals our property.

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the right to peaceful enjoyment of your property

The widespread lack of security of tenure in the private rental market in this country is so clearly in contravention of this right, it's a wonder noone's taken it up...

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The widespread lack of security of tenure in the private rental market in this country is so clearly in contravention of this right, it's a wonder noone's taken it up...

They will.......only if enough complain, the way things are panning out the numbers are stacking up....no good talking, actions speak louder than words. ;)

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I am helping my friend to rent out her two bed flat in South London. So far I've had enquiries from a man who said it was for him and his three friends, plus three families seperately enquiring, one of them with grown teenagers. What the hell are we doing in this country?

It was really infuriating to hear James Max spouting his usual sh!te. According to him, if you want a house, all you have to do is to get a job and work hard, and hey presto. Nowadays you can work a twenty hour day and it will make no difference to your chance of getting a house.

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The widespread lack of security of tenure in the private rental market in this country is so clearly in contravention of this right, it's a wonder noone's taken it up...

That's because it isn't the tenants property.

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That's because it isn't the tenants property.

Quite. If it is a basic human right it is not the responsibility of the private LL to provide it. The state can provide it or enable it, but it can't (well, shouldn't) forcibly remove property rights from one individual to give to another.

Admittedly, you could say this applies to the whole of the tax system, but the tax / benefits system does apply to 95% (or whatever) of the population, rather than a relatively small minority of private renters - i.e. those who want secure long term lets and cant get them. Lets not forget that a lot of renters - most obviously students, but also those who are moving from job to job reasonably frequently- neither need nor want long-term tenancies.

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