Ologhai Jones Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 BBC Website: Rockhopper optimism on Falklands oil development. A British company searching for oil off the Falkland Islands in the South Atlantic says it has made further significant finds... The search for oil off the Falklands has angered Argentina, which claims sovereignty over the islands it calls Las Malvinas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 By Jingo it's war! I go with the views previously posted on here: that the majors have already done their research and concluded there's nothing currently economically worthwhile down there, so you have these minnows trying to suck in investment and boost their share price by press releases like this. Non-story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) By Jingo it's war! Non-story. Might not be a story now, but when the President of Argentina publicly states, "We are going to get the Falklands back" and the USA, refers to them as 'The Malvinas, and not the Falkland Islands, whilst stating Britain and Argentina should be negotiating for Sovereignty, the writings on the wall......... Sir Sandy Woodward, the retired admiral who led the British taskforce which set sail for the Falklands in 1982, told a newspaper earlier this week he feared the islands were "now perilously close to being indefensible". "The simple truth is without aircraft carriers and without the Americans, we would not have any hope of doing the same again today." The only reason we won last time is because the Argentinians, grossly miscalculated that the USA would support them over us, a NATO ally. [And gave us sidewinders for the Sea Harriers etc] Lets make a list of territories our good ol' [backstabbing] cousins in the USA should return shall we? Edited September 15, 2011 by Milton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 An emerging machismo South American Country would love to kick the @ss of an old european colonial power. I wonder if they would be stupid enough to invade again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 It did'nt help that England beat Argentina in the Rugby world cup either. Hopefully by the time Argentina re-invest in their military (10 years plus) the UK should have a proper aircraft carrier or two with hopefully some planes to fly off of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 By Jingo it's war! I go with the views previously posted on here: that the majors have already done their research and concluded there's nothing currently economically worthwhile down there, so you have these minnows trying to suck in investment and boost their share price by press releases like this. Non-story. AFAIK that's how oil exploration often works - small companies do the initial location and start development. They would never have the resources to fully develop the fields they find but hope to be able to sell to a major company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopGun Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Might not be a story now, but when the President of Argentina publicly states, "We are going to get the Falklands back" I'm pretty sure that one is up there with "I will not let house prices get out of control". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffy Chuffnell Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 The oil there wasn't economical to extract when first discovered in the 1990s but with the price of oil now it is. As for Argentina - their military is utter cr*p. And unlike in 1982, when the UK had a mere 50 Royal Marines garrisoned on the islands, we now have over a thousand armed forces personnel from all three branches - there's an air force base with 4 Eurofighters, there's a proper army garrison with anti-air defences, and there's constantly a nuclear submarine (as in a submarine powered by a nuclear reactor) on patrol in the South Atlantic. The Argentines simply cannot get to the islands by force (they don't have anything to invade with... we have a decent force to defend with). And our two new aircraft carriers are being built as we type, although we have to wait until around 2020 before they and their aircraft come into service. Even by then Argentina will still be pathetically weak militarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cells Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 It did'nt help that England beat Argentina in the Rugby world cup either. Hopefully by the time Argentina re-invest in their military (10 years plus) the UK should have a proper aircraft carrier or two with hopefully some planes to fly off of it! No nation without the atom bomb has a hope in hell against one that has it However Argentina could cripple the UK. They could quite easily destroy a large enough portion of our infrastructure to make us 3rd world in no time Last time it was a gentlemans 'war'. Neither side went for the others mainland. It was a show & test of each others sea & air capabilities nothing else There will never be grand wars between those that have advances weapons. 1945 was different. Mainly because we didnt need electricity. Most of it was consumed for heating. Today any nation with reasonable weapons could attack our power infrastructure and cripple us as directly or indirectly we need power for nearly 100% of our economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopGun Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 The oil there wasn't economical to extract when first discovered in the 1990s but with the price of oil now it is. As for Argentina - their military is utter cr*p. And unlike in 1982, when the UK had a mere 50 Royal Marines garrisoned on the islands, we now have over a thousand armed forces personnel from all three branches - there's an air force base with 4 Eurofighters, there's a proper army garrison with anti-air defences, and there's constantly a nuclear submarine (as in a submarine powered by a nuclear reactor) on patrol in the South Atlantic. The Argentines simply cannot get to the islands by force (they don't have anything to invade with... we have a decent force to defend with). And our two new aircraft carriers are being built as we type, although we have to wait until around 2020 before they and their aircraft come into service. Even by then Argentina will still be pathetically weak militarily. If the Falklands do ever return to Argentina, it would be because it's people voted for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffy Chuffnell Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 If the Falklands do ever return to Argentina, it would be because it's people voted for it. Which they won't. But as Argentina demonstrated in 1982, the islands are a military question, not a democratic question of self-determination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffy Chuffnell Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) However Argentina could cripple the UK. They could quite easily destroy a large enough portion of our infrastructure to make us 3rd world in no time Today any nation with reasonable weapons could attack our power infrastructure Erm, do you have any idea about Argentina? They have NOTHING that can attack the UK mainland. Nothing at all. They don't have a navy or air force (or any missiles) that can reach the Equator, let alone Europe. Edited September 15, 2011 by Chuffy Chuffnell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellerkat Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 How do you think the rest of South America will react to a neo-imperialist resource-grab of the continent's resources? It's not as if a despised junta is still running Argentina. I know lots of people on this site live in some dimly remembered highly selective version of the past, but times really have changed. The Hispanic vote in the US is now far too important for any politician there to ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Its September, the brokers are back from their holidays,and its time for a giant new oil find that might have potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffy Chuffnell Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 How do you think the rest of South America will react to a neo-imperialist resource-grab of the continent's resources? It's not as if a despised junta is still running Argentina. I know lots of people on this site live in some dimly remembered highly selective version of the past, but times really have changed. The Hispanic vote in the US is now far too important for any politician there to ignore. Why would a US citizen with hispanic ethnicity vote for a President or Congressman who supports Argentina's claim over the Falklands? It suits the US and its corporations if the Falklands remain British. And I don't see how the United States' hispanic population feel any sympathy for Argentina? Mexico maybe, but why Argentina? The US government's recent support for Argentina is merely a diplomatic rouse. Obama has spent the last 3 years going around the world telling every country he visits that they are America's best friend etc. It's all bullsh!t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 The oil there wasn't economical to extract when first discovered in the 1990s but with the price of oil now it is. As for Argentina - their military is utter cr*p. And unlike in 1982, when the UK had a mere 50 Royal Marines garrisoned on the islands, we now have over a thousand armed forces personnel from all three branches - there's an air force base with 4 Eurofighters, there's a proper army garrison with anti-air defences, and there's constantly a nuclear submarine (as in a submarine powered by a nuclear reactor) on patrol in the South Atlantic. The Argentines simply cannot get to the islands by force (they don't have anything to invade with... we have a decent force to defend with). And our two new aircraft carriers are being built as we type, although we have to wait until around 2020 before they and their aircraft come into service. Even by then Argentina will still be pathetically weak militarily. +1. The Argentians antique airforce wouldnt even see the 4 Euro fighters that shot them all out of the sky within 24 hours. Last time 24 Harriers and Naval / Army air defence shot down approximately 1/3rd of the Argentinian airforce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) An emerging machismo South American Country would love to kick the @ss of an old european colonial power. I wonder if they would be stupid enough to invade again? The second there is a whiff of military intervention the UK will reinforce the Falklands with Eurofighters and possibly some Tornadoes in 24 hours. We cant get ships down there quickly but we can still move enough aircraft with tanker support via Asenscion. Inside 48 hours we could have extra rapid reaction ground forces flown in. Anyway they have stockpiled plenty of heavy gear and ammo just incase. Edited September 15, 2011 by Kurt Barlow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DotBomb Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 And if during a conflict the yanks gave any support to Argentina even political, then we would have to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately as the home territory was under threat. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Obama/Clinton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Argentine burds are simply stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 And if during a conflict the yanks gave any support to Argentina even political, then we would have to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately as the home territory was under threat. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Obama/Clinton. I recall that witch Hilary Clinton calling into question the soveriegnty of the Falklands. Cheers - so much for the special relaltionship which would appear to be similar to the relationship the prison bitch has with the big daddy of the wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepLurker Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 And if during a conflict the yanks gave any support to Argentina even political, then we would have to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately as the home territory was under threat. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Obama/Clinton. More seriously, the British army is the figleaf that protects the USA's modesty in its overseas military adventures, and allows it to claim to be leading an "international coalition". Without us, the Yanks would cope fine militarily, but would not be able to hide the bully-boy reality of their invasions. (Sorry to any Armed Forces posters on this site, but that's really what I think our contribution is in Afghaniraq). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indirectapproach Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Yeah but no but yeah, Fill yer boots! It's a steal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I want a house! Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Might not be a story now, but when the President of Argentina publicly states, "We are going to get the Falklands back" and the USA, refers to them as 'The Malvinas, and not the Falkland Islands, whilst stating Britain and Argentina should be negotiating for Sovereignty, the writings on the wall......... Sir Sandy Woodward, the retired admiral who led the British taskforce which set sail for the Falklands in 1982, told a newspaper earlier this week he feared the islands were "now perilously close to being indefensible". The only reason we won last time is because the Argentinians, grossly miscalculated that the USA would support them over us, a NATO ally. [And gave us sidewinders for the Sea Harriers etc] Lets make a list of territories our good ol' [backstabbing] cousins in the USA should return shall we? Never trust America, they in it for their own gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord D'arcy Pew Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) And if during a conflict the yanks gave any support to Argentina even political, then we would have to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately as the home territory was under threat. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Obama/Clinton. The USA as no problem in expanding and taking resources from others, just look at the land they took from Mexico. http://en.wikipedia....%93American_War Then during the early part of the 20th Century American businesses took most of Mexico's oil and silver wealth. The U.S.A become the very thing the founding fathers detested along time ago. Edited September 15, 2011 by Lord D'arcy Pew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopGun Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Argentine burds are simply stunning. Agreed, but their beef is even better. There's a viable commercial opportunity in there somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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