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ken_ichikawa

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My local council (which I am constantly happy I do not pay extortion tax to) has decided to splash out money on Ipads... for its binmen...

This is from the council that decided to sponsor the local football club..

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=167332&st=0&p=3071716&fromsearch=1entry3071716

This is the council that cut the wages of all its lowest paid by 20% while exempting its chiefs over 45K from such cuts. :rolleyes:

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I thought you where taking the piss, but it would appear not...

Bin lorry iPad proposals criticised

Town hall bosses have been accused of insulting taxpayers with plans to give binmen £400 iPad gadgets to do their rounds.

Bury Council, facing budget cuts of £18 million, is reportedly to buy 22 of the tablet computers to mount on dashboards guiding bin wagons around the town in Greater Manchester.

The council, which will not say how much it has spent on the Apple devices, claims it will help save cash by improving collection rates, customer service standards and boost recycling.

Robert Oxley, campaign manager of the Taxpayers' Alliance, said: "It beggars belief that a council making huge savings can find this money to splash out on iPads.

"Residents want bin services that are reliable and efficient, not council staff monitoring what they're throwing out with expensive gimmicks.

"It's an insult to local residents who are tightening their belts in tough times that the council is wasting their money on fanciful ideas like this."

Bury Council, which must make £18 million in savings over the next three years, is buying 22 of the iPads, one for each bin wagon, which if bought in shops for around £400, comes to a bill of £8,800.

The devices must also be mounted in bin wagon cabs and refuse staff will also have to be trained to use the gadgets.

The scheme is due to be presented to councillors in a report by officers but has reportedly already been rubber-stamped as going ahead.

No-one at Bury Council, or councillors contacted, was available to verify the information or give comment.

The nutters truly are running this asylum...

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I'll give those Ipads a life of about 100 hours in that environment, being stabbed all day by dirty fingers and vibrated. What will the bin-men do when it fails half-way around the collection round? Let me quess......

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guiding bin wagons around the town

But don't bin wagons travel the same route most of the time, week in, week out? And is Bury some kind of huge metropolis? The population is only around 183,100.

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being stabbed all day by dirty fingers and vibrated

Sounds like a good night out for some people. :lol:

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I know people like to moan about council spending but really is this a huge issue?

I've put in similar systems before that generally are used to:

Plan routes (re-routing to take into account congestion saved one council 6 figure sums in fuel costs each year)

Re-route in the event of local traffic disruption / road closures etc

Report missing bins / reasons for non-collection to the back office so information is available instantly

An iPad is a lot cheaper than the touch screen terminals I was putting in too - they were more like £4k a time only a few years back.

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I thought you where taking the piss, but it would appear not...

Bin lorry iPad proposals criticised

The nutters truly are running this asylum...

Local govt, by which are mean out of touch Directors are obsessed with mobile Working technology. Usually it features somewhere in their performance targets as it will no doubt half costs etc etc. :rolleyes:

Of course in the real world and on the front line in most cases the cost is totally disproportionate to any savings that might be made. Furthermore they last about two weeks in the hands of Building Control / Environmental health officer doing their job properly.

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That's actually cheap compared to if they had to buy custom satnav / touchscreen devices as another poster pointed out. Even if they got basic sat navs it's going to be at least £150 anyway, probably more like £200 or £300.

Additionally, if they ever have to write custom software it'll be cheaper to get some iOS code monkey to write an app than having to source a coder for just about any other system bar Windows.

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I know people like to moan about council spending but really is this a huge issue?

I've put in similar systems before that generally are used to:

Plan routes (re-routing to take into account congestion saved one council 6 figure sums in fuel costs each year)

Re-route in the event of local traffic disruption / road closures etc

Report missing bins / reasons for non-collection to the back office so information is available instantly

An iPad is a lot cheaper than the touch screen terminals I was putting in too - they were more like £4k a time only a few years back.

You can't reroute a bin lorry! It HAS to go past the bins.

Ah, on the spot fines for wrong bin stuffing perhaps?

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So, here is how the pitch for goes... using these devices will provide multiple positive outcomes, firstly, there will be no requirement for Sat Nav equipement and secondly, we will be able to track the location of all of our refuse lorries, making sure everyone is working at maximum efficiency- all for less than 10k. Lets trial it to see if it works...ooh, technology..can I have a promotion?

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You can't reroute a bin lorry! It HAS to go past the bins.

Yes. But, they don't just do fixed rounds. They have to be able to change rounds in a number of circumstances:

One vehicle is inoperable (for staffing or mechanical reasons)

Special collections need to be made (most councils will offer an on-demand refuse collection service for a fee)

In case of road closure or obstruction, it may be better to omit that part of the route, and have a different vehicle approach from the other side. There are real savings in time and fuel for such strategies.

This sort of communication/navigation system has been a pretty standard industrial product for a number of years. However, the cost of such specialist equipment has been staggeringly expensive - often combining GPS, radio transmitters, computer in a single box. Expect to pay £5k per vehicle for such a device. iPads look positively cheap in comparison.

Of course, that's assuming the system all works as planned.

However, even for a pilot project, £10k seems quite reasonable - bearing in mind the very large costs involved with customising an 'off-the-shelf' dedicated project.

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You can't reroute a bin lorry! It HAS to go past the bins.

Ah, on the spot fines for wrong bin stuffing perhaps?

No fancy device is going to beat the local knowledge these drivers have anyway... They will already know the back cut through's from having lived in the areas and working the best part of their lives for the council.

Some years ago I worked in the distribution arm of one of the big four supermarkets. (This one no longer exists). They decided to install 'in cab' terminals to monitor fuel usage, distance travelled ect. At that time there were huge promises they were worth their weight in gold and would deliver huge savings. Predictably they did not.

They did however have a text messaging system built into them to communicate with the driver and a GPS system where the real time location of the wagon could be queried from the Transport office.

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Yes. But, they don't just do fixed rounds. They have to be able to change rounds in a number of circumstances:

One vehicle is inoperable (for staffing or mechanical reasons)

Special collections need to be made (most councils will offer an on-demand refuse collection service for a fee)

In case of road closure or obstruction, it may be better to omit that part of the route, and have a different vehicle approach from the other side. There are real savings in time and fuel for such strategies.

This sort of communication/navigation system has been a pretty standard industrial product for a number of years. However, the cost of such specialist equipment has been staggeringly expensive - often combining GPS, radio transmitters, computer in a single box. Expect to pay £5k per vehicle for such a device. iPads look positively cheap in comparison.

Of course, that's assuming the system all works as planned.

However, even for a pilot project, £10k seems quite reasonable - bearing in mind the very large costs involved with customising an 'off-the-shelf' dedicated project.

£10k here. £50k there. £5 mill on extra pensions and pay rises every year....

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Wow, everyone is focussed on the ipad.

Not the collection of data about 'overfilled bins' , broken bins, people not recycling, people leaving the lids open, people worshipping the wrong god...

An Ipad or similar could well be the cheapest and most efficient way to collect this data. Question is why is that data so important? Why are they only getting rubbish collected 2ce a month?

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Tempted to knock together a site where people can list assests owned by councils and projects funded by councils that don't fit the sterotypical council service.

Bournemouth Council for example own the Imax Cinema!

WTF are councils doing buying cinemas?

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Tempted to knock together a site where people can list assests owned by councils and projects funded by councils that don't fit the sterotypical council service.

Bournemouth Council for example own the Imax Cinema!

WTF are councils doing buying cinemas?

TBH, I'd be more interested in what the employees, mainly the 'elected' ones, own or have an interest in. Especially land-related holdings...

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