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Science graduates should scale back their hopes of finding work in the UK and cast their net wider, according to two of the UK's most influential scientists.

Dame Jocelyn Bell Burnell and Prof Keith Campbell said decreasing levels of funding for British research meant would-be scientists should think globally when hunting for employment.

The pair made their comments on Sunday at an Edinburgh International Book Festival debate on the future of science.

Campbell was among the team of Edinburgh-based scientists who produced Dolly, the world's first cloned sheep, in 1996. Bell Burnell is credited with revolutionising astronomy when she discovered the first pulsar as a PhD student at Cambridge University. Asked what they would do if they had newly graduated this summer, neither said they would stay in the UK.

"With funding at the moment, getting a job in biological sciences is very difficult. Getting a postdoctoral position is very difficult, and getting one that is well funded to do research is very difficult in this country," said Campbell. "At the moment I think the research opportunities are in other places because of the basic economics of this country."

Still, at least the workers in factories and McDs can pay the taxes to bring down the deficit?

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What happens to a UK student that takes £27K in debt, completes their degree, and then emigrates?

Will they only be asked to start repaying their student loan if and when they return to the UK?

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Still, at least the workers in factories and McDs can pay the taxes to bring down the deficit?

Bio engineering is the next big thing, we just had a break through in enamel regeneration which should him the market next year, yet again this government and others have dragged their heels, they did the same with computers and everything else.

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What happens to a UK student that takes £27K in debt, completes their degree, and then emigrates?

Will they only be asked to start repaying their student loan if and when they return to the UK?

I don't know. I imagine there will be a small number who decide never to come back (apart from holidays) if they get a decent job abroad.

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Bio engineering is the next big thing, we just had a break through in enamel regeneration which should him the market next year, yet again this government and others have dragged their heels, they did the same with computers and everything else.

Yes, but that's Scientists, Engineers and general 'boffins' getting their hands dirty. The way gentlemen make money is on one way bets in the City, don't you know?

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I don't know. I imagine there will be a small number who decide never to come back (apart from holidays) if they get a decent job abroad.

At the rate we are going, everyone with a university education will be forced to live in a different country after graduation.

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What happens to a UK student that takes £27K in debt, completes their degree, and then emigrates?

Will they only be asked to start repaying their student loan if and when they return to the UK?

If you leave the country you are supposed to tell the SLC, who then put you on a £250 a month repayment plan. Or even more.

But what happens is people simply abscond. Richard the guy who does ESL has monstrous debts from his biology degree (he took a year out in Mozambique and spent loads there too). He didn't tell the SLC, and since he's been there for 2+ years has pretty much annihilated any decent job prospects he may have wanted in the UK... if there were any anyway.

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Dame Jocelyn Bell Burnell and Prof Keith Campbell said decreasing levels of funding for British research meant would-be scientists should think globally when hunting for employment.

Amazing that despite all the promises made to UK scienctists and engineers etc through the decades from Wilson's "white heat of technology" :lol::lol::lol: et al (through to Blair's "there's a shortage of scientists and engineers in the UK" :lol::lol::lol::lol: then with MicBrown and Cameron making similar claims - indeed like every UK "leader" in living memory) the solution suggested for people with these skills is still to leave the country.

At least it's kept the science and engineering college lecturers in work.

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Still, at least the workers in factories and McDs can pay the taxes to bring down the deficit?

State funded science jobs are generally low paid no security roles and represent only one aspect of the problem.

For chemistry and biology graduates, the main issue is the collapse of the pharmaceutical industry in the UK which has destroyed well paid secure positions.

Forget the UK - go abroad if you want a career in this profession.

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At the rate we are going, everyone with a university education will be forced to live in a different country after graduation.

The Polish doctor who served your coffee this morning at Starbucks will agree.

(my point being: for much of Europe it's already the case "emigrate or die").

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Oh you guys mustn't have got the memo. 'Green Jobs' will start the new boom in the UK. Windmills n that. Durrrr!

Defra refuse to answer requests for payout info to the super rich for hundreds of thousands per annum given to each various landowner for useless heath/moor land ie taxpayer subsidises their exclusive grouse shooting moors.

Cap payments were originally for keeping the price of food production down. Govt ponces in the Lords have fiddled it into legalised 'theft' stretching the meaning to include all useless land.

They stuck these useless windmills up that only work less than a third of a year cos energy customers pay rich landowners of said heathlands rent whether electric is being produced or not. Their contracts should state they get rent when it actually produces electric

The rental costs to rich landowners are hidden by the so-called green taxes - it's just a pure scam by the UK rich - ripping off the actual producers in the UK!

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Once you loose the industry, you loose the skills and the courses.

But nothing is as bad as loosing's one's grammar skills

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What happens to a UK student that takes £27K in debt, completes their degree, and then emigrates?

Will they only be asked to start repaying their student loan if and when they return to the UK?

My understanding is the debt dies after a certain age. My yongest brother emigrated (for job/quality of life reasons and NOT for student debt reasons) a year after graduating. He has never been back other than for short breaks, and has not paid a penny since - neither has his wife! Neither have lost any sleep over it.

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My understanding is the debt dies after a certain age. My yongest brother emigrated (for job/quality of life reasons and NOT for student debt reasons) a year after graduating. He has never been back other than for short breaks, and has not paid a penny since - neither has his wife! Neither have lost any sleep over it.

I expect this to be increasingly common as time goes on. However the government I guess does have some ability to link NI number to services such as public pension and medical treatment.

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My understanding is the debt dies after a certain age. My yongest brother emigrated (for job/quality of life reasons and NOT for student debt reasons) a year after graduating. He has never been back other than for short breaks, and has not paid a penny since - neither has his wife! Neither have lost any sleep over it.

I can only presume that at present, so few people are doing this that it is not worth the SLC's while trying to devise ways of preventing it. However, if the number of emigrant graduates starts to represent a significant threat to their revenue stream, such measures are likely to materialise, e.g. requiring student loans to be secured against their parents' houses before giving them out at all.

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I can only presume that at present, so few people are doing this that it is not worth the SLC's while trying to devise ways of preventing it. However, if the number of emigrant graduates starts to represent a significant threat to their revenue stream, such measures are likely to materialise, e.g. requiring student loans to be secured against their parents' houses before giving them out at all.

And what happens in the case of parents living in social housing? orphans? or parents who simply wont agree to allow their homes to be loan security? - yet another class of people who will be denied access to tertiary education, and so a nation where education will go to those who can afford it rather than on merit.

WHY must the lenders be allowed to have eveything set up to be 100% risk free for them?

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And what happens in the case of parents living in social housing? orphans? or parents who simply wont agree to allow their homes to be loan security? - yet another class of people who will be denied access to tertiary education, and so a nation where education will go to those who can afford it rather than on merit.

If the problem becomes widespread enough to justify the cost of setting them up, I suspect that the government would try to arrange bilateral treaties with the most popular countries for graduate emigrants whereby student loan payments are collected in each other's countries for graduates who emigrate between them. Another would be to deny emigrants re-entry to the UK at all until the full value of all overdue loan installments has been paid (i.e. you have to hand over cash at the airport to be allowed back in). As I say, the problem (i.e. the number of graduates who emigrate and stop student loan repayments) is clearly small enough at present that it would cost more to put prevention measures in place than it would recover in money from emigrant graduates. Another approach would be to treat students loans like any other, i.e. run credit checks on applicants and offer the best rates of interest to those who are perceived to be the lowest risk.

WHY must the lenders be allowed to have eveything set up to be 100% risk free for them?

Taking the risk of losing money is one thing, but incurring the certainty is quite another. If the risk becomes too great, the SLC will simply stop taking it. As I say, the interesting thing will be is if the number of emigrating graduates gets to the point at which they feel they need to take action. After all, this has already happened in the case of graduates declaring bankruptcy.

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If the problem becomes widespread enough to justify the cost of setting them up, I suspect that the government would try to arrange bilateral treaties with the most popular countries for graduate emigrants whereby student loan payments are collected in each other's countries for graduates who emigrate between them. Another would be to deny emigrants re-entry to the UK at all until the full value of all overdue loan installments has been paid (i.e. you have to hand over cash at the airport to be allowed back in). As I say, the problem (i.e. the number of graduates who emigrate and stop student loan repayments) is clearly small enough at present that it would cost more to put prevention measures in place than it would recover in money from emigrant graduates. Another approach would be to treat students loans like any other, i.e. run credit checks on applicants and offer the best rates of interest to those who are perceived to be the lowest risk.

Taking the risk of losing money is one thing, but incurring the certainty is quite another. If the risk becomes too great, the SLC will simply stop taking it. As I say, the interesting thing will be is if the number of emigrating graduates gets to the point at which they feel they need to take action. After all, this has already happened in the case of graduates declaring bankruptcy.

The latter is an interesting point. It has puzzled me why new graduates dont take on as many credits cards and other unsecured loans as they can as early on in their working careers (i.e whilst still in their 20's) - then pay as much(if not all) of the student debt with these funds and declare bankruptcy soon after?

The SLC wont care, as they will have got their money and closed the case file.

The receiver (administering the bankruptcy) may well make a stink and insist on bankruptcy for a longer period than is customary. But even an extended bankruptcy is likely to be distant memory by the time they approach age 30? Given the economic backdrop of jobs. house prices, etc. The newly bankrupted graduate will hardly be in a position to be disadvantaged?

On further reflection actually, and recalling similar related posts I myself have made re: unsecured debt where the debtor has no assets, why would they even need to declare bankruptcy??!! Just walk away from the CC debt!

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Amazing that despite all the promises made to UK scienctists and engineers etc through the decades from Wilson's "white heat of technology" :lol::lol::lol: et al (through to Blair's "there's a shortage of scientists and engineers in the UK" :lol::lol::lol::lol: then with MicBrown and Cameron making similar claims - indeed like every UK "leader" in living memory) the solution suggested for people with these skills is still to leave the country.

At least it's kept the science and engineering college lecturers in work.

Sitting here with a chemistry PhD I'm thinking of being off, of two close friends one architecture degree, the other history of art and works for PWC as a tax specialist :blink: both earn more than me without a postgraduate education. This country is farked, you cannot run an industralised first world economy without science and engineering, the first I don't mind so much, I couldn't design a building but I could certainly enter data into a spreadsheet and do tax law database searches!!! Not a lot of people can do what I do but I'm paid piss poor for it coz the employers can recruit the cleaner and train them up to do a very narrow aspect (literally know this happened at a market leading drug company in thier quality control department-again :blink: ),the trouble is, without the training, when something isn't right the cleaner will make it up whereas I would set about finding out why.

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Good. I want more Europeans working harder for lower wages, good for me, good for most of you.

British grads, labourers, etc aren't competitive enough. Time for your kids to go out and learn the value of a hard days work abroad.

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My understanding is the debt dies after a certain age. My yongest brother emigrated (for job/quality of life reasons and NOT for student debt reasons) a year after graduating. He has never been back other than for short breaks, and has not paid a penny since - neither has his wife! Neither have lost any sleep over it.

Every time I read one of these posts I feel a complete sucker (paid £5k off my £15k loan so far). At least I wont need to worry if I leave and want to come back for medical reasons etc.

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My understanding is the debt dies after a certain age. My yongest brother emigrated (for job/quality of life reasons and NOT for student debt reasons) a year after graduating. He has never been back other than for short breaks, and has not paid a penny since - neither has his wife! Neither have lost any sleep over it.

No offense, but your understanding counts for nothing on this issue. Anyone know what the DoE official line is on this rather then a load of conjecture?

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