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Argh! I finally met the parents of somebody I know - the guy works as a lorry manager. Not to be nasty, but the guy seems of low intellect and wouldn't look out of place where I live on a council estate. However I see they have a massive 4 bed house, and got to look at pictures of the holidays they go on each year (one to Disney USA and the other to Las Vegas, 2 weeks each time...!). Plus, his wife has a fancy BMW X5 AND a Ford Focus! Turns out he earns a whack - as a lorry manager!?

So then I go online to look at other jobs (let's face it I'm going to stick with engineering but it can't hurt). I was trying to check out jobs in renewables, somebody mentioned lundi (?) in Germany a while back? I came upon HR salaries which were on a par if not exceeding those of the engineering salaries! It's just a joke, these jobs can't be a fraction the difficulty of the job an engineer does but the pay is often more! The HR bods I know come up with useless feel-good mantra all the time and it's the butt of many a joke. Totally not productive and certainly not deserving of such high salaries.

Friend of mine works as a mechanical engineer in a brewery and his boss who supposedly sits around all the time is on £70k! I know this because I've been on nights out where he's been there and he likes to brag big-time. I do nothing *but* work most of the time and hearing these anecdotals makes me want to... to... arrrghhhh..

I feel like I'm getting next to nowhere. Even if I move round job-wise if I stay as a designer I'm not looking at too much more (£30k now, perhaps £45k in future) if I make senior/principal. Perhaps if I move to the States I'd get more - but even there it seems the HR salaries and the like are our of proportion. I'm just trying to get by, I know others are worse off - I'm just frustrated! Is it WORTH being productive anymore? Should one just bite the bullet, become an a-hole and jump to some other type of work/management? I just can't believe these salaries some complete dolts are getting when I know I'm more intelligent (obviously not intelligent enough to chase these jobs!!). Do you see where I'm coming from!? It's early days for my career but with the cost of living and it being dog-eat-dog, I can't afford to sit around and hope for more money. Any ideas (other than the usual comments about going into IT or starting an internet business)? I'm going to check out this renewables path.

Perhaps the thing to do is get into a job where the big money comes about - like the lorry manager. It's not exactly stonkingly difficult from the sounds of it, and it sounds like the public sector, giving the big boys a wad etc. I've really got to nip this in the bud - I know the senior engineers at my particular company aren't excactly rich so a move would likely be on the cards at some point, but if this path is never going to let me 'compete' (as in be able to afford the rent/mortgage, live freely and save for the future) with parasitic lawyers, financiers, etc... agh, you get the drift. I mean jesus, I design integrated circuits, I did extremely well out of uni, got an MSc afterward, learning a different language.. where am I going wrong. Sorry about the moan. I think it's around this time I usually have one.

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plenty of IT roles don't pay that great - if you can specialise, not get bored, and put up with the most boring people in existence, the world may be your oyster in IT

plenty of lawyers on 30k too, same with lots of high street financial types, often on less

really 20k to 30k is more common than you think for skilled jobs even

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plenty of IT roles don't pay that great - if you can specialise, not get bored, and put up with the most boring people in existence, the world may be your oyster in IT

plenty of lawyers on 30k too, same with lots of high street financial types, often on less

really 20k to 30k is more common than you think for skilled jobs even

I know, I guess it's just an over-reaction to what are likely rare cases; everybody's entitled to a moan. It really builds up...!

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Its just the way it is tbh very little will change this.

Your career depends on skills (of various kinds like people skills), luck and education also being in the right place at the right time.

For example I know of lots of people who are massively over paid for what they do.

Laura for instance a skydiving enemy, she works as a receptionist and makes £36K. I've seen her working and it is nothing more than bog standard receptionist work. She doesn't raise bills for the company.

Lauren same same used to work as receptionist for a company I worked for made 25K (I know this because they accidentally emailed the payscales list and I guessed the password on the excel sheet). While people who were doing the billing (I was billing about 10K a week on a slow week) were paid about 14-15K. She did have a cracking rack though.

AS I've said many times and you're probably sick of me saying it, but there are a hge glut of accountants stuck between 20-30K. The average is after all the average.

Its just the way of the world, call it karma or whatever, good people get treated badly, bad people get good things happen.

Try not to let it bother you so much and merely enjoy your life as you only get one shot.

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Btw you could always become self employed..

My recent redundancy about 7 months ago was the best thing that happened to me. Today I do what I only term as something, but it allowed me to move out of a bed sit into a two up two down, and generally once the day is done, I can relax unlike accountancy.

Before that 2 years ago getting pushed out of my accountancy job that too was the best thing that happened to me.

I'm no Carl Jung or Freud, but you Guitarman, it seems you want the change but you appear not to be able to make the leap to enact this change in your life. Regarding moving out of your parents home, moving country, changing job etc.

Maybe you should take up skydiving? If you can jump out of a servicable aeroplane and go totally against your base survival instincts you can do anything. As said I skydive and I'm scared of a whole lot less.

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For example I know of lots of people who are massively over paid for what they do.

Laura for instance a skydiving enemy, she works as a receptionist and makes £36K. ... She did have a cracking rack though.

very common

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very common

Nah Laura is horrible, she landed badly (bad flare) onto gravel and mushed up her left side of her face. Shes no more than a 32A

Lauren OTOH is one of those uber rare girlies, I saw her last in 2009, she has 34D (might have been DD) but has a really slim body, and she is/was so terribly naive as well. :)

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Well it very much appears like Engineering is not the place to be right now. Which more or less says it probably will be some time in the future. Think back to people getting into trades in the late 90's. Looked down upon by most until they started to earn a fortune a few years later. Then you get all sorts trying to learn to plumb and all sorts. They were clearly too late to the party.

If Engineering becomes the next big thing then you will alrady be ahead of the game. Who knows though. But it is a skill that is always required. Maybe in the future you will be earning £1000 per day. Who knows.

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Maybe in the future you will be earning £1000 per day. Who knows.

What you're saying he'll be earning NMW in a few years time? ;)

Once the Hyper kicks in, you won't even bend down to pick up a quintillion pound note.

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I had to laugh when you said this girl was askydiving 'enemy' lol....

To be honest skydiving does sound awesome - where do you do it?

What is it you're doing now then, Ken? Definitely staying out of the accounting?

You're right about things holding me back - if I moved out of home now I would be happier in one respect but less happy when thinking about those savings going to nil, so it's not going to happen right now. To be honest once I've got the experience from my current job if it still costs a bomb here then I'm just going to get a job over in Munich or Vienna - expensive to live but for a few years I'm betting it will be a blast, better quality of life and better weather. I AM still learning the language, after all - though I haven't set an exact date. ccc mentioned that - I should do it, give me something to work towards and cement the idea for good. Then I'll be out of home, in a new country though still doing the same job - 2 out of 3! To be fair I am lucky in that right now I enjoy the job, so I have that to be thankful for.

Receptionist on £36k? What a joke, that's £6k more than me. I'm not sure about self-employed - maybe once I become a bit of a specialist, though I know a few engineering contracters who say the money is good.

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Well it very much appears like Engineering is not the place to be right now. Which more or less says it probably will be some time in the future. Think back to people getting into trades in the late 90's. Looked down upon by most until they started to earn a fortune a few years later. Then you get all sorts trying to learn to plumb and all sorts. They were clearly too late to the party.

If Engineering becomes the next big thing then you will alrady be ahead of the game. Who knows though. But it is a skill that is always required. Maybe in the future you will be earning £1000 per day. Who knows.

Partly my thinking, as long as our jobs aren't flown off to India/China. Here's hoping - the tables have to turn at some point, surely.

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What you're saying he'll be earning NMW in a few years time? ;)

Once the Hyper kicks in, you won't even bend down to pick up a quintillion pound note.

Who knows. But engineering may well be better thought of in future than it is today.

I had to laugh when you said this girl was askydiving 'enemy' lol....

To be honest skydiving does sound awesome - where do you do it?

What is it you're doing now then, Ken? Definitely staying out of the accounting?

You're right about things holding me back - if I moved out of home now I would be happier in one respect but less happy when thinking about those savings going to nil, so it's not going to happen right now. To be honest once I've got the experience from my current job if it still costs a bomb here then I'm just going to get a job over in Munich or Vienna - expensive to live but for a few years I'm betting it will be a blast, better quality of life and better weather. I AM still learning the language, after all - though I haven't set an exact date. ccc mentioned that - I should do it, give me something to work towards and cement the idea for good. Then I'll be out of home, in a new country though still doing the same job - 2 out of 3! To be fair I am lucky in that right now I enjoy the job, so I have that to be thankful for.

Receptionist on £36k? What a joke, that's £6k more than me. I'm not sure about self-employed - maybe once I become a bit of a specialist, though I know a few engineering contracters who say the money is good.

Good plan. As many people say - regret the things you have done - not the things you haven't done.

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I've a mate who loves Germany though has never been (strangely!!). He has 2 kids and a massive mortgage in negative equity now; he will never make the move. I don't want to be like him or everybody else!!

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Argh! I finally met the parents of somebody I know - the guy works as a lorry manager. Not to be nasty, but the guy seems of low intellect and wouldn't look out of place where I live on a council estate. However I see they have a massive 4 bed house, and got to look at pictures of the holidays they go on each year (one to Disney USA and the other to Las Vegas, 2 weeks each time...!). Plus, his wife has a fancy BMW X5 AND a Ford Focus! Turns out he earns a whack - as a lorry manager!?

Is the lorry manager the parent of someone you know?

If so, how old is he compared to you?

How long has he been working compared to you?

The answers to these questions may explain why he appears to be better off than you are, maybe his wife has also worked for years which may have helped them to save for their holidays and their home.

I don't know your age however, if your living with your parents, I assume you're circa 25 - 30, if that's the case and you're earning £30k you're not doing badly.

£30k and lving with parents, your savings should be huge in no time! ;)

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My savings would be £10k better off had I not tried my hand at shares (d'oh - took the chance!).

I'm 27 soon. This guy is in his 40s - but even still... I reckon if (if I WANTED to which I don't) I wanted the same things as he has today, I would be totally skint. Big car and holidays maybe but the big house would be out of the question. I guess that's why we're on HPC!

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Argh! I finally met the parents of somebody I know - the guy works as a lorry manager. Not to be nasty, but the guy seems of low intellect and wouldn't look out of place where I live on a council estate. However I see they have a massive 4 bed house, and got to look at pictures of the holidays they go on each year (one to Disney USA and the other to Las Vegas, 2 weeks each time...!). Plus, his wife has a fancy BMW X5 AND a Ford Focus! Turns out he earns a whack - as a lorry manager!?

blahblahblahto get by, I know others are worse off - I'm just frustrated! Is it WORTH being productive anymore? Should one just bite the bullet, become an a-hole and jump to some other type of work/management? I just can't believe these salaries some complete dolts are getting when I know I'm more intelligent (obviously not intelligent enough to chase these jobs!!). Do you see where I'm coming from!? It's early days for my career but with the cost of living and it being dog-eat-dog, I can't afford to sit around and hope for more money. Any ideas (other than the usual comments about going into IT or starting an internet business)? I'm going to check out this renewables path.

Perhaps the thing to do is get into a job where the big money comes about - like the lorry manager. It's not exactly stonkingly difficult from the sounds of it, and it sounds like the public sector, giving the big boys a wad etc. I've really got to nip this in the bud - I know the senior engineers at my particular company aren't excactly rich so a move would likely be on the cards at some point, but if this path is never going to let me 'compete' (as in be able to afford the rent/mortgage, live freely and save for the future) with parasitic lawyers, financiers, etc... agh, you get the drift. I mean jesus, I design integrated circuits, I did extremely well out of uni, got an MSc afterward, learning a different language.. where am I going wrong. Sorry about the moan. I think it's around this time I usually have one.

It's not been your week has it?

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My savings would be £10k better off had I not tried my hand at shares (d'oh - took the chance!).

I'm 27 soon. This guy is in his 40s - but even still... I reckon if (if I WANTED to which I don't) I wanted the same things as he has today, I would be totally skint. Big car and holidays maybe but the big house would be out of the question. I guess that's why we're on HPC!

When I was 26, I didn't know anyone of my age group who owned a house, I couldn't afford one as I was married with two kids and on a salary that was much less than you're earning.

Unlike you, we didn't live with parents and had the usual rent and household expenses everyone has, we saved as much as we could though.

I also watched house prices rise in the late 80's and was convinced we'd never be able to afford to buy one however, we kept saving.

After a stint of working overseas, we returned to the UK in 1995 and discovered that house prices had noticeably dropped and that houses were staying on the market for months, if not years, we'd continued to save whilst abroad and had a decent deposit, we finally managed to afford a house.

It'll be your turn soon mate. ;)

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In my experience Science & Engineering does not seem to be held in much regard these days. You see numerous other jobs that require very little skill with much higher salaries. You work with contractors who know very little about the parent company and how it works, and yet they get paid three times your salary for you to help them!

It seems to be about who shouts the loudest, scientists and engineers are not renowned for selling themselves! Add to that the fact that engineering is not thought of by public/goverment etc as a profession, as every tom, dick and harry can call themselves an engineer!

Salaries are probably ok persae its just for the time and effort put in the reward is less than proportional. I think a lot of people do not understand what is involved, how hard it is and the fact that everything that exists in the world is down to science and engineering. I think people think that magic pixies made it.

Having said all that I dont think people help themselves, I know so many scientists/egineers etc, that could not make a decision if their life depeded on it, can not answer a straight question, and do not know when to give up!

I think people think that there is a sense of satisfaction and cleaverness/challenge about engineer, but reality is you could be working on the design of a new car for 30k pa, where the microsoft project planner sitting next to you is getting 100k contract for inputing data into a software package!

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My savings would be £10k better off had I not tried my hand at shares (d'oh - took the chance!).

I'm 27 soon. This guy is in his 40s - but even still... I reckon if (if I WANTED to which I don't) I wanted the same things as he has today, I would be totally skint. Big car and holidays maybe but the big house would be out of the question. I guess that's why we're on HPC!

this guy has obviously worked nearly 25 yrs to get his position /job , lorry manager may not sound much to you but organising routes ,drops for say 40 trucks a day , big turnover = bigger rewards . your only 27 and it sounds like your doin alright , it only happens overnight for a few. his skills may not be seen but probably still there . ;)

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I was in the same line of employment as yourself GM, but pre-integrated circuits, at least at the beginning. Made redundant multiple times, I found more security and about 2x the money in contracting, and was still shocked to discover what my peers earnt as catering managers, or window fitters.

I don't think engineering is in good enough state now in the UK to do what I did. It never was a respected career anyway, Once at a dinner party, an art lecturer at a local tech college said to me "Oh, you're an engineer! How dull!". You will admit though, there is a certain freedom in being an engineer, compared say, to being a suit in the marketing dept.

As for money, I fear there's no hope here, you might have to move abroad, but IIRC, you've mooted that idea before.

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Argh! I finally met the parents of somebody I know - the guy works as a lorry manager. Not to be nasty, but the guy seems of low intellect and wouldn't look out of place where I live on a council estate. However I see they have a massive 4 bed house, and got to look at pictures of the holidays they go on each year (one to Disney USA and the other to Las Vegas, 2 weeks each time...!). Plus, his wife has a fancy BMW X5 AND a Ford Focus! Turns out he earns a whack - as a lorry manager!?

Dude, I earn more than you do and I probably only have a fraction of your academic intellect. The simplicity of my job would make you vomit :lol: But it opened my eyes to how the world of work really operates. I struck it lucky by accident, but I've learnt from it.

I'm not surprised at all that a lorry manager makes a load. I'm surprised you're surprised actually. This leads to me think you're a tad naive concerning the job market. No offence, just an observation.

You need to pick a sector that has very little respect from the population and is mostly male dominated. Haulage, scrap, energy etc can all pay big money. That's the reality.

By the sound of it, you need to make a choice between prestige and money. Years ago I wanted the prestige, so I worked in the media. Sure, I got respect from people for working in TV and movies. But I made peanuts. When the big decision came to leave forever and do something more "earthy" it turned my life around. I didn't realise I'd make more money or get more job satisfaction. But I did.

Anyway, make your choice.

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You need to pick a sector that has very little respect from the population and is mostly male dominated. Haulage, scrap, energy etc can all pay big money. That's the reality.

Shhh! Keep it under wraps! I did exactly this and work in something where I am looked down upon by EVERYBODY even dole chavs. I pretend to be unhappy and poor but I make considerably more than I ever did as an accountant.

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When you're saying lorry manager I suspect he is actually the nominated transport manager for fair sized HGV operator.

Mine is on something like £65k. It is a responsible can carrying job that requires that person to hold a certifcate of professional competence qualification - I've got one as once upon a time I wore the transport manager hat also - pass rate is ridiculously low on the exam anyone with the slightest degree of exam sophistication would pass.

However, they do carry the can for things like vehicle maintenance and driver's hours and the byzantine regulations surrounding trucks is mind-boggling.

If VOSA found issues at roadside checks or site inspections the manager would be called to public inquiry and have their professional competence revoked if things were really bad and be out of a job at any employer. The company could also have restrictions placed on their operator's licence, which could have serious ramifications, therefore they'll pay to get the right person.

I suspect though, there's many an incompetent transport manager hidden in the big fleets of blue chips. If you run shiny brand new trucks under maintenance contract to the dealer they'll fly though MOTs and you won't crop up on VOSAs radar -as they use ANPR to target operators with high first time MOT failure rates and this would probably mean other areas of incompetence weren't picked up on.

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If we've said this once we've said this a hundred times.

Change employer (regularly), change location, change industry, go contracting, hook-up with a bird in a similar position to you.

FFS, just get a job abroad, you'll pickup the lingo as you go along if you think you're good enough at what you do.

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I saw an advert for an ALDI "Store Assistant", paying £9 an hour.

That's about the same as I get as .NET developer with a degree and a fair few years of experience.

I'm thinking of moving up north, see lots of developer jobs going with better pay, and the houses are 1/3 of the price.

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