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http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/central-leeds/alton_towers_theme_park_jaunt_for_yorkshire_criminals_exclusive_1_3659962

Published on Tuesday 9 August 2011 09:04

FIVE young criminals including a knife robber and burglars have been on an all-expenses-paid trip to Alton Towers.

The theme park trip was organised by West Yorkshire Youth Offending Team as part of a supervision programme of persistent and serious young offenders.

Now Wakefield Council, which was involved in the trip, has launched an investigation.

Elaine McHale, corporate director for family services, said: “This activity was inappropriate for these young people and we have started an immediate review to identify how this decision was taken and to ensure lessons are learned.

“Although this particular activity was clearly not appropriate, the young people on the intensive supervision and surveillance programme (ISSP) had made good progress and were assessed as not posing a risk to the public. They were under supervision of officers at all times and the trip went without incident.”

The YEP understands the group included one teenager on bail from crown court for alleged robbery and burglary offences who had previously convicted of robbing an elderly man.

A second, who has been on an ISSP previously, was in breach of his court order. We understand he has previous convictions including one for knifepoint robbery.

A third member of the party has convictions for robbery and a history of breeching court orders and it is claimed he had only come out of custody a week earlier.

Because one offender was subject to electronic tagging an application had to be made to magistrates by the YOT to get his conditions varied. It is claimed the magistrates were told it was for “group activity” with “educational elements”, but were not told the outing was to Alton Towers,Staffs.

The offenders were escorted by four staff and the Council states the total cost was £250.

Last year Wakefield’s Youth Offending Team underwent an inspection and achieved a “mixed set of findin

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http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/central-leeds/alton_towers_theme_park_jaunt_for_yorkshire_criminals_exclusive_1_3659962

Published on Tuesday 9 August 2011 09:04

FIVE young criminals including a knife robber and burglars have been on an all-expenses-paid trip to Alton Towers.

The theme park trip was organised by West Yorkshire Youth Offending Team as part of a supervision programme of persistent and serious young offenders.

Now Wakefield Council, which was involved in the trip, has launched an investigation.

Elaine McHale, corporate director for family services, said: “This activity was inappropriate for these young people and we have started an immediate review to identify how this decision was taken and to ensure lessons are learned.

“Although this particular activity was clearly not appropriate, the young people on the intensive supervision and surveillance programme (ISSP) had made good progress and were assessed as not posing a risk to the public. They were under supervision of officers at all times and the trip went without incident.”

The YEP understands the group included one teenager on bail from crown court for alleged robbery and burglary offences who had previously convicted of robbing an elderly man.

A second, who has been on an ISSP previously, was in breach of his court order. We understand he has previous convictions including one for knifepoint robbery.

A third member of the party has convictions for robbery and a history of breeching court orders and it is claimed he had only come out of custody a week earlier.

Because one offender was subject to electronic tagging an application had to be made to magistrates by the YOT to get his conditions varied. It is claimed the magistrates were told it was for “group activity” with “educational elements”, but were not told the outing was to Alton Towers,Staffs.

The offenders were escorted by four staff and the Council states the total cost was £250.

Last year Wakefield’s Youth Offending Team underwent an inspection and achieved a “mixed set of findin

Did it work?

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Banksters get bonuses, therefore young criminals get theme park trips, seems only fair to me... :lol:

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Cant ask them Ingin there all down in London atm

See the thing, is, while the sight of people being treated well might irk the ****** out of the victims of crime, punishment does not work.

The average career criminal has been abused and punished to an excess throughout their whole life. The correlation between childhood sexual abuse and violent offenders of all types is extraordinary, for example. Further punishment makes them worse and prison only delays the moment when they commit another crime.

Punishing criminals has been tried for only the whole of human history and while it cheers he victims up a bit, punishment doesn't actually stop people being criminals in the future. If you want a different result you have to try different behaviours. Which is why i asked "did it work?" a question which apparently eluded you.

Just sayin'

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http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/central-leeds/alton_towers_theme_park_jaunt_for_yorkshire_criminals_exclusive_1_3659962

Published on Tuesday 9 August 2011 09:04

FIVE young criminals including a knife robber and burglars have been on an all-expenses-paid trip to Alton Towers.

The theme park trip was organised by West Yorkshire Youth Offending Team as part of a supervision programme of persistent and serious young offenders.

Cameron is not fit for propose just heard his piece to camera about the riots,needs to grow a pair upper class wimp.

Now Wakefield Council, which was involved in the trip, has launched an investigation.

Elaine McHale, corporate director for family services, said: “This activity was inappropriate for these young people and we have started an immediate review to identify how this decision was taken and to ensure lessons are learned.

“Although this particular activity was clearly not appropriate, the young people on the intensive supervision and surveillance programme (ISSP) had made good progress and were assessed as not posing a risk to the public. They were under supervision of officers at all times and the trip went without incident.”

The YEP understands the group included one teenager on bail from crown court for alleged robbery and burglary offences who had previously convicted of robbing an elderly man.

A second, who has been on an ISSP previously, was in breach of his court order. We understand he has previous convictions including one for knifepoint robbery.

A third member of the party has convictions for robbery and a history of breeching court orders and it is claimed he had only come out of custody a week earlier.

Because one offender was subject to electronic tagging an application had to be made to magistrates by the YOT to get his conditions varied. It is claimed the magistrates were told it was for “group activity” with “educational elements”, but were not told the outing was to Alton Towers,Staffs.

The offenders were escorted by four staff and the Council states the total cost was £250.

Last year Wakefield’s Youth Offending Team underwent an inspection and achieved a “mixed set of findin

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The offenders were escorted by four staff and the Council states the total cost was £250.

Seems a bit low to me. The 4 staff alone would eat up most of that (unless they were giving their time for free). Then there's transport, tickets, lunch, a trip to the gift shop.

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See the thing, is, while the sight of people being treated well might irk the ****** out of the victims of crime, punishment does not work.

The average career criminal has been abused and punished to an excess throughout their whole life. The correlation between childhood sexual abuse and violent offenders of all types is extraordinary, for example. Further punishment makes them worse and prison only delays the moment when they commit another crime.

Punishing criminals has been tried for only the whole of human history and while it cheers he victims up a bit, punishment doesn't actually stop people being criminals in the future. If you want a different result you have to try different behaviours. Which is why i asked "did it work?" a question which apparently eluded you.

Just sayin'

Not a clue if it worked as a betting man I would say not a chance in hell bet they all re offend in the future if they all ready haven't,my opinion of course ;)

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See the thing, is, while the sight of people being treated well might irk the ****** out of the victims of crime, punishment does not work.

The average career criminal has been abused and punished to an excess throughout their whole life. The correlation between childhood sexual abuse and violent offenders of all types is extraordinary, for example. Further punishment makes them worse and prison only delays the moment when they commit another crime.

Punishing criminals has been tried for only the whole of human history and while it cheers he victims up a bit, punishment doesn't actually stop people being criminals in the future. If you want a different result you have to try different behaviours. Which is why i asked "did it work?" a question which apparently eluded you.

Just sayin'

So what works then ? Punishment works for evey other species in the animal Kingdom. Why would we be any different.....

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Seems a bit low to me. The 4 staff alone would eat up most of that (unless they were giving their time for free). Then there's transport, tickets, lunch, a trip to the gift shop.

I think that was the net cost, after taking into account the proceeds of a couple of muggings whilst at the theme park......

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Doesnt say the age, but if they are old enough to work, the money might have been better spent teaching them to do something that captures their imagination, ie feed a man a fish and he will be content for a day, give him a fishing rod and he will be able to feed for the rest of his life so to speak.

I think you'll find it's "Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach him to fish and he'll sit in a boat drinking beer every weekend"

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Punishing criminals has been tried for only the whole of human history and while it cheers he victims up a bit, punishment doesn't actually stop people being criminals in the future. If you want a different result you have to try different behaviours. Which is why i asked "did it work?" a question which apparently eluded you.

And the alternative to punishment is?

Is there any evidence to suggest that sending violent young thugs on taxpayer-funded jollies turns them into pillars of society?

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So what works then ? Punishment works for evey other species in the animal Kingdom. Why would we be any different.....

Except cats of course.....

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So what works then ? Punishment works for evey other species in the animal Kingdom. Why would we be any different.....

No idea why we are different, but we are.

Every experiment, every study done and thousands of years of human history prove it.

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And the alternative to punishment is?

Is there any evidence to suggest that sending violent young thugs on taxpayer-funded jollies turns them into pillars of society?

No idea.

Which is why I asked, obviously.

I do know punishment don't work, so anything else is worth trying.

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Is there any evidence to suggest that sending violent young thugs on taxpayer-funded jollies turns them into pillars of society?

Didn't work for Safari Boy.

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And the alternative to punishment is?

Is there any evidence to suggest that sending violent young thugs on taxpayer-funded jollies turns them into pillars of society?

Thats the billion dollar question. Refusing to allow anyone to try alternatives is a very good way of ensuring nobody is ever able to answer it. Much simpler to just keep on doing something that we know doesn't work - pointless, self-defeating, but much simpler. Mankind's forte.

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Except cats of course.....

Have you ever seen a cat ?! They fight on a regular basis and if one ventures into another's territory they are very quickly informed, by punishment, that they are not welcome.

Not saying this is a good or a bad thing. Just saying it is how species work things out.

No idea why we are different, but we are.

Every experiment, every study done and thousands of years of human history prove it.

Yes but every species is different to every other species. We are not special. We are just different as is every other one.

Yet every other one happily accepts punishment as part of their everyday life. I just wonder why us as humans think we should be different.

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No idea.

Which is why I asked, obviously.

I do know punishment don't work, so anything else is worth trying.

..... seems daft.......but what is punishment?

what would you suggest as a way of changing behaviour ??

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punishment doesn't actually stop people being criminals in the future.

Capital punishment does.

No idea why we are different, but we are.

Every experiment, every study done and thousands of years of human history prove it.

Do you in fact know every experiment and every study done on it?

Do you know thousands of years of human history in sufficient detail?

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Capital punishment does.

No, that just puts criminals in charge of everything.

Do you in fact know every experiment and every study done on it?

Do you know thousands of years of human history in sufficient detail?

Feel free to give me counter examples.

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No idea why we are different, but we are.

Every experiment, every study done and thousands of years of human history prove it.

Im on the fence on this one but I live in a Country with a very strict penal system (involves swords and canes etc) and I feel a dam site safer wandering around at night with the locals :huh:

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