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Watch a lot of athletics and got me thinking. Where are the equality co-ordinators on the UK sprint athletics team ? Because as a % of the population black people should be far lower represented than white people. So why are there so many ? And why do we have no Asians representing UK sprint athletics at the top level ?

Should we not have some specialist equality team put in immediately to ensure a certain % of future athletic sprint stars are Asian or white ? Surely this should be paramount !!

In reality - it seems when it comes to this area of life - all these Government do-gooder agencies just accept that black people are better at white or Asian people when it comes to sprint athletics in the UK.

So the question is this - why can they not accept this for other areas in life ? Why is it not allowed ? Are these do gooders doing more harm than good ?

Certainly seems so. Complete waste of time and money IMO. Just let people get on with it and if a white or yellow or green or male or female is best for the situation in question - they get it.

Seems simple and cheap to me. As we are trying to cut costs in this country - lets just get rid of all these agencies as they do very very very little good - if any. Massive cost savings.

I would argue the only real area where job discrimination is wide spread in this country is where age is concerned. Sex and race ? Nah - most blaming that are just gagging for an excuse IMO.

Thoughts ?

PS Jessica Ennis. Mmmmm

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Athletes are objectively the best people for the job as they consistently run the fastest in competition and trials. The decision is essentially taken by a stopwatch - very little room for racial bias there.

But in other walks of life decisions on who is the best for the job are extremely subjective and made by people with all kinds of opinions. So these kinds of things should be monitored for racial bias. I would suggest that few would argue with that, but there are plenty of views on the extent to which you do this and what you do to correct it.

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Athletes are objectively the best people for the job as they consistently run the fastest in competition and trials. The decision is essentially taken by a stopwatch - very little room for racial bias there.

But in other walks of life decisions on who is the best for the job are extremely subjective and made by people with all kinds of opinions. So these kinds of things should be monitored for racial bias. I would suggest that few would argue with that, but there are plenty of views on the extent to which you do this and what you do to correct it.

But maybe white people and Asian people would be just as good - but they don't get the chance ? And we should be working to get as many white and Asian people into UK sprint athletics to give them the chance to show they can get similar times ?

I know that is probably not strictly true - but you see the point ? All the above is spouted on a regular basis about other areas of life in the UK.

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Athletes are objectively the best people for the job as they consistently run the fastest in competition and trials. The decision is essentially taken by a stopwatch - very little room for racial bias there.

But in other walks of life decisions on who is the best for the job are extremely subjective and made by people with all kinds of opinions. So these kinds of things should be monitored for racial bias. I would suggest that few would argue with that, but there are plenty of views on the extent to which you do this and what you do to correct it.

Of course, everyone should be told what to think.

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But in other walks of life decisions on who is the best for the job are extremely subjective and made by people with all kinds of opinions. So these kinds of things should be monitored for racial bias..

But they cannot be monitored for racial bias. As per the exact point you have made above. So anyone trying to do this is completely wasting their time. So why do it ?

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But maybe white people and Asian people would be just as good - but they don't get the chance ?

Don't give them ideas.. we'll have athletics schools for underprivileged whites / Asians.. make sure they're up to a comparable standard by the time they get to selection :rolleyes:

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Don't give them ideas.. we'll have athletics schools for underprivileged whites / Asians.. make sure they're up to a comparable standard by the time they get to selection :rolleyes:

But why not :lol:

Actually seen many a piece on TV re. why there are so few Asians playing football at high levels in the UK today. And these all include special footballing meet-ups and discussion of how to get more Asians into football in the UK.

So why have I never seen the same about White/Asian people and Uk sprint athletics ?

I think we all deep down know why. When it comes to discrimination - some groups are allowed to be included and some are not. Whether this is reality or not, and whether there is a problem or not, does not actually seem to be of any importance.

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Watch a lot of athletics and got me thinking. Where are the equality co-ordinators on the UK sprint athletics team ? Because as a % of the population black people should be far lower represented than white people. So why are there so many ? And why do we have no Asians representing UK sprint athletics at the top level ?

Should we not have some specialist equality team put in immediately to ensure a certain % of future athletic sprint stars are Asian or white ? Surely this should be paramount !!

In reality - it seems when it comes to this area of life - all these Government do-gooder agencies just accept that black people are better at white or Asian people when it comes to sprint athletics in the UK.

So the question is this - why can they not accept this for other areas in life ? Why is it not allowed ? Are these do gooders doing more harm than good ?

Certainly seems so. Complete waste of time and money IMO. Just let people get on with it and if a white or yellow or green or male or female is best for the situation in question - they get it.

Seems simple and cheap to me. As we are trying to cut costs in this country - lets just get rid of all these agencies as they do very very very little good - if any. Massive cost savings.

I would argue the only real area where job discrimination is wide spread in this country is where age is concerned. Sex and race ? Nah - most blaming that are just gagging for an excuse IMO.

Thoughts ?

PS Jessica Ennis. Mmmmm

It is only in the 100m and possibly 200m sprints that black people have a clear advantage over everyone else. There is a much more even mix of people in for example the marathon.

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Longer relative leg length, a higher % of the correct fast-twitch muscle, smaller hips (?or larger I cannot recall) etc etc. These are genetic differences that are pretty obvious.

Why not ask about the relative paucity of black people in sports such as swimming or cycling, (hmm or wintersports?) you'd probably get more people to bite there.

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Why not ask about the relative paucity of black people in sports such as swimming or cycling, (hmm or wintersports?) you'd probably get more people to bite there.

Would you all just pack it in.. you know they're writing these ideas down :P

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[quote name=Oh Well :(' timestamp='1312180046' post='3070882]

There are very few black swimmers.

Discuss.

Possible sequel to 'White men can't jump' - 'Black men can't swim' ?

Nah that'd be racist.... :rolleyes:

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It is only in the 100m and possibly 200m sprints that black people have a clear advantage over everyone else. There is a much more even mix of people in for example the marathon.

Yes it does seem that way. But why would that be ? I have heard the arguments below regarding twitch fibres and the rest of it. But then why is the Worlds best ever triple jumper a pretty skinny white bloke ? Yes in that discipline technique is very important. However it is a very short intense sport. If you think about it a skinny bloke, of any race, really should not be the best at it ?

Longer relative leg length, a higher % of the correct fast-twitch muscle, smaller hips (?or larger I cannot recall) etc etc. These are genetic differences that are pretty obvious.

Why not ask about the relative paucity of black people in sports such as swimming or cycling, (hmm or wintersports?) you'd probably get more people to bite there.

Indeed. But is swimming probably more of a cultural thing rather than a physical thing ? Same with wintersports.

This subject has got me thinking even more - dangerous I know !! I initially used this example as a piss take for equality and all that jazz. But I am not so sure now.

Watching the UK championship 100m mens sprint yesterday. IIRC all black blokes. Some of them built like machines. Yet looking back to Alan Wells over 40 years ago ? His best time, for a white bloke who trained in the rain in Edinburgh with old school techniques, is faster than every single one of the best sprinters in the UK today. :huh:

With all their analysis, extra input, video stats, nutritional advice. And who knows what else. Yet a Scottish white bloke 40 years ago was still faster than all of them. Was Allan Wells a freak of nature ? Or do other white people just not take up the sport because they see black people winning it all the time ? Craig Pickering being about the only UK exception of any standing today.

Same goes for the coaches. Surely sub consiously when a white bloke appears at a young age with lots of speed - without thinking they push them towards other disciplnes where speed is important. As of course a white bloke will never win the 100m Olympics. Just watch them all recently. That is what you wuold think - isn't it ?

Then you have Usain Bolt. Fastest sprinter ever by a long way. Yet his body type has been classed as wrong for sprinting up until now. You were either a tall lean body like Lewis or Fredericks, or you were a shortish stocky body like Greene.

Bolt is clearly too tall and too big to be a sprinter. Yet in reality - he is not. Is he a freak too ? Or did he just keep at something he was told when younger he would never be the best at ? If so - then surely there are planty of others out there with the same natural ability needing to get a chance ?

I find this all very interesting. Is it any wonder no black people think they will turn out to be champion swimmers ? Switch on the Worlds just now and you won't see ONE black person in the entire thing !! If you were young and black you would not see that and instantly think 'Yes - thats the sport for me !!'. Quite the opposite. You probably wouldn't even bother. Instead you would head for something that clearly you were born to be good at.

Like, for example, sprinting.....

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Whether your a sprinter, Swimmer, or marathon running body type/Natural genetics will be a massive component of how far you can advance in the sport.

The first sub 10 second 100m was 1968 by Jim Hines, it took until last year (2010) for a white guy to break 10 seconds, Christophe Lemaitre from France. At very top there are only 8 places in the final and bar about 3 people all the sprinters who have beaten the 10-second barrier are of West African descent.

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Whether your a sprinter, Swimmer, or marathon running body type/Natural genetics will be a massive component of how far you can advance in the sport.

The first sub 10 second 100m was 1968 by Jim Hines, it took until last year (2010) for a white guy to break 10 seconds, Christophe Lemaitre from France. At very top there are only 8 places in the final and bar about 3 people all the sprinters who have beaten the 10-second barrier are of West African descent.

Yes but Allan Wells PB was 10.11 - and only a decade after Jim Hines. His PB is still better than nearly ever UK sprinter of today. And most of these are of West African origin (Via the West Indies but the original genes remain from the same 'stock').

Of course body type has a huge impact on a sport you do. However I think many put too much focus on this. Boxing and wrestling are ones where it is pretty much black and white. Others ? I am not so sure. I wonder if history and culture are actually more important.

Look at the swimming from yesterday. Tancock is positivley tiny compared to those he beat into 2nd and 3rd place in the 50m final. It all came down to the final reach and he won. Even though both the others had arms hugely longer than him. If a swimming trainer was given the choice of these 3 at a young age - and could take only one - there is clealry one they would not even bother thinking about. Yet he in fact turns out to be the best.

I just wonder if the physical genetics behind these things are as important as everyone thinks.

Why doesn't NZ have numrous boxing champions ? Because phsyically you cannot get any potentially better specimin for the sport than the typical Maori male. Same goes for Fiji and sprint champions. There is no doubt IMO that Fiji has had many a World 100m champion throughout it's history. Yet they all play rugby so they are never found out. Many must be physically almost perfect for sprinting. Yet they never even make it to qualifying never mind a final.

Worlds strongest man. Used to be US and UK who dominated a lot. Then all of a sudden it was the Scandinavians. Then it swiftly changed to the Eastern Europeans.

Why not South Sea Islanders ? Why not Central Africans ? Clearly nothing to do with genetics. All to do with culture IMO.

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I know I started this in jest - however I have turned full circle. I think there SHOULD be some sort of co-ordinators in certain sports. Nothing to do with 'fairness' or 'equality' or any of that. Just to make sure that talent does not slip through the net simply due to the colour of their skin.

Britains best period in middle distance running - when our top blokes beat all the apparent naturally advantaged Africans ? All white. Coe, Ovett and Cram.

Imagine telling some boxing pundit in 1995 that the World Heavyweight division would be contrlled by some big white blokes ? They would honestly have laughed in your face. However today it is true. Imagined telling someone in 1970 that the Worlds best golfer of 1995-2005 would be a black bloke ? They would have choked on their Cognac and told you to head off to the nearest asylum. However it was true as well.

I honestly think the UK is missing a trick here. Well not just us - but most other 'multi cultural' countries too.

For a start - let us get black kids in the pool and white/Asian kids on the 100m track. I really think we would be pleasantly surprised.

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If you've ever had the misfortune to take part in any military swimming test (especially those involving clothing / kit) you'll know full well which races can / can't swim. Those who can't just compensate with sheer fitness / bloody mindedness. :)

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If you've ever had the misfortune to take part in any military swimming test (especially those involving clothing / kit) you'll know full well which races can / can't swim. Those who can't just compensate with sheer fitness / bloody mindedness. :)

I don't think that has anything to do with physical ability. It is cultural IMO.

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and why do men and women race in different teams?

surely they should have race events, for example, the Asian 100M, just as we do for the disabled and lesser mortals like women.

If it was just best person for the job, then we wouldnt have these split events...

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Why does it have to be all timed and competitive? Why do there have to be winners and losers? Can't everyone just take part as equals?

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Why does it have to be all timed and competitive? Why do there have to be winners and losers? Can't everyone just take part as equals?

I think we have our man :D

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Watched a good bit of the World athletics.

White French bloke ran 19.80 in the 200m final. In most recent championships would have been enough to win. Beaten by 2 black blokes - but nevertheless very impressive time.

White Aussie burd wins the 100m hurdles by a country mile - one the the fastest times ever.

White Welsh bloke wins the 400m hurdles.

Are these the exception and just white freaks ? Or does this show that similar talent is there to black sprinters - but white people generally move/are pushed to different sports ?

I am not sure really.

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I've been saying similar stuff to my gf when seeing the athletics, CCC, including the Ennis druelling (now banned from watching her along with our new princess). Its nuts that these dogooders are blind to this.

On a serious note, young black kids are told by the government/teaching system that "you can be whatever you want to be", usually accompanied by pictures of boxers, athletes, footballers, and racing drivers. Its no wonder that the 99.9% of non-superstars then go looting their towns when the dream fails.

Also, the government recognises obesity as a disability, so why can't fatties run in the paralympics? Seriously.

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I've been saying similar stuff to my gf when seeing the athletics, CCC, including the Ennis druelling (now banned from watching her along with our new princess). Its nuts that these dogooders are blind to this.

On a serious note, young black kids are told by the government/teaching system that "you can be whatever you want to be", usually accompanied by pictures of boxers, athletes, footballers, and racing drivers. Its no wonder that the 99.9% of non-superstars then go looting their towns when the dream fails.

Also, the government recognises obesity as a disability, so why can't fatties run in the paralympics? Seriously.

Ennis. Supreme.

As for the message for kids - dont think it is just a problem for one particular group. Everyone is told it. The 'Im worth it and I deserve it NOW' culture. I reckon much of this nations problems are down to this alone.

That obesity thing is interesting. I imagine technically they could do the paralympics ? They have categories for everything. Although maybe 'self inflicted' is not allowed.

I would pay serious money to watch the 100m for D36wZ* category paralympians. Would be like those old Monty Python sketches. Always loved the 100m breast stroke for the 'non swimmers' clip. Genius. Marathon for the incontinent was pretty good too.

* massive overeating lazy fat ******s. :D

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